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Hey, if Trayvon was banging zimmy's head into the ground, what was he holding onto? (Original Post) Ecumenist Mar 2012 OP
yep, that would definitely leave a mark got root Mar 2012 #1
another good observation, if TM was pushing the mans head their would be some bruises uponit7771 Mar 2012 #2
Not banging his head into the groind... The sidewalk. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #3
Since Trayvon was shot in the back yard, what sidewalk was this? I don't get it. uppityperson Mar 2012 #17
From the images I've seen there is a sidewalk running in between the backyards MagickMuffin Mar 2012 #19
Ah, thank you. uppityperson Mar 2012 #21
Good point. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2012 #4
Years ago, I was in fights that safeinOhio Mar 2012 #5
I don't think this happened in the first place. But it wouldn't be that hard without hair RZM Mar 2012 #6
which would most likely leave a mark got root Mar 2012 #10
I would think so too. But OP didn't mention marks RZM Mar 2012 #15
I wasn't saying that it was impossible without hair but that there would have OBVIOUS signs Ecumenist Mar 2012 #23
however, according to Zimmerman CatWoman Mar 2012 #26
He couldn't hold onto his nose, it was arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #7
If that is true, wouldn't that be an example of Trayvon "standing his ground"... Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #8
Holding the sides of one's head would also work Skip Intro Mar 2012 #9
If that's the case, shouldn't there been abrasions, scratches. red marks and/or bruises on his Ecumenist Mar 2012 #14
You can just grab his head and slam it. MrSlayer Mar 2012 #11
That's what I just said one post upthread from this post. He shuold have lumps, bruises, Ecumenist Mar 2012 #16
Obviously you weren't watching CNN tonight;) According to Zimmerman's snagglepuss Mar 2012 #12
Then we'd probably see bite marks on Trayvon's hands and lacerations on Zimmerman's scalp. gkhouston Mar 2012 #24
I think he tripped and fell down and it made him mad so he got back up and confronted Trayvon yellowcanine Mar 2012 #13
that's pretty much what I think TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #18
Shirt collar? sakabatou Mar 2012 #20
but, but, but... shimonitanegi Mar 2012 #22
Maybe he was doing a 3 stooges and holding his nose... Javaman Mar 2012 #25

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
17. Since Trayvon was shot in the back yard, what sidewalk was this? I don't get it.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:31 AM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman says he got his head bashed on the sidewalk, then shot Trayvon. But the sidewalk was in front of the house and he got shot behind it.

MagickMuffin

(15,942 posts)
19. From the images I've seen there is a sidewalk running in between the backyards
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 02:26 AM
Mar 2012

It doesn't look very wide, however, there is one.

safeinOhio

(32,683 posts)
5. Years ago, I was in fights that
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:01 AM
Mar 2012

I never really feared for my life. Never looked as good as him an hour afterwards.


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RZM

(8,556 posts)
6. I don't think this happened in the first place. But it wouldn't be that hard without hair
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:04 AM
Mar 2012

Just grab the sides of the head.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
15. I would think so too. But OP didn't mention marks
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:15 AM
Mar 2012

They were implying you can't do that to somebody without hair, which is definitely false.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
23. I wasn't saying that it was impossible without hair but that there would have OBVIOUS signs
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:23 AM
Mar 2012

a torn or extremely warped shirt, scratches, lumps and/or bruises. There's NO WAY he would have gone through that without a mark that was EXTREMELY visible on one way or another.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
26. however, according to Zimmerman
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:29 AM
Mar 2012

Trayvon used one hand to pin Zimmerman down, and the other hand to pound him and his head into the sidewalk.

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
8. If that is true, wouldn't that be an example of Trayvon "standing his ground"...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:05 AM
Mar 2012

from someone who was possibly treating his life?

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
14. If that's the case, shouldn't there been abrasions, scratches. red marks and/or bruises on his
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:15 AM
Mar 2012

head? Even with short nails, they would dig into the face where Trayvon was holding IF he did as GZ claims. It would have been MORE apparent a couple of hours later when the video was filmed.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
11. You can just grab his head and slam it.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:11 AM
Mar 2012

Thumbs in the eyes, grip on the sides of the head and slam away. That isn't what happened here. He would have visible lumps for few hours at least if he wasn't cut. He claims he was cut but there is no evidence of it.

The story is bullshit but it is possible to headslam a bald dude.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
16. That's what I just said one post upthread from this post. He shuold have lumps, bruises,
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:16 AM
Mar 2012

abrasions, etc.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
12. Obviously you weren't watching CNN tonight;) According to Zimmerman's
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:14 AM
Mar 2012

statement to the police, Trayvon used one hand to cover Zimmerman's mouth and the other to bash Zimmerman's head against the ground. It was at this point ZImmerman shot Trayvon and get this - when Trayvon was shot, ZImmerman said Trayvon looked at him and said "you got me".

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
24. Then we'd probably see bite marks on Trayvon's hands and lacerations on Zimmerman's scalp.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:55 AM
Mar 2012

Somehow, I think it will be the other way around.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. I think he tripped and fell down and it made him mad so he got back up and confronted Trayvon
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:15 AM
Mar 2012

and then shot him. Which probably makes it second degree murder. He was basically stalking the guy so he had malice which is needed to sustain a murder charge. He likely was not intending to shoot him but when Trayvon did not allow himself to be intimidated he got mad and the shooting followed.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
18. that's pretty much what I think
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:35 AM
Mar 2012

Wet grass is slippery. Slipped on it myself many times even with my big waffle treaded boots. If his head was being slammed into the ground by someone than I can't imagine why he didn't go immediately to the hospital for evaluation since any blow to the head can be very dangerous even if it seems minor. One would think that Zimmerman himself would be afraid of a serious head injury if his head was grabbed and bashed repeatedly into the sidewalk.

From what I'm able to gather from the various witnesses is that there was some kind of physical altercation in a different place than that of the shooting, and I believe that Zimmerman likely was pissed off that this kid tried to fight him off and continued to pursue him to the spot where he shot him not out of fear but because he was pissed off. What is clear is that Martin was crying and begging for help before he was shot. I don't believe for a second that it was Zimmerman that was crying and calling for help because - just as that one woman witness said - the crying and begging for help was abruptly cut off following the shot. I absolutely believe her reasoning that if it was Zimmerman crying and begging for help that it would have continued following the shot.


Javaman

(62,530 posts)
25. Maybe he was doing a 3 stooges and holding his nose...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:22 AM
Mar 2012

the more that comes out about zimmerman's story, the more it appears to be complete and utter bullshit.

zimmerman has a dad in high places but the reality is: the police dept will be investigated and all will be shown that massive colusion was employed in an effort to cover everything up.

it will take a while but zimmerman will see jail time.

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