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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:39 AM Apr 2014

New tape: NBA owner Sterling told girlfriend, 'In Israel, blacks are treated like dogs'

In a newly released audiotape of Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling's notorious racist remarks to his girlfriend, he seems to justify his views of African-Americans by noting how in Israel "the blacks are just treated like dogs."

In the original, shorter tape released Friday by the TMZ website, which has caused a storm in the United States, Sterling is heard at a game complaining to his black-Mexican girlfriend, V. Stiviano, after seeing that she'd posted Instagrams of herself with black former basketball star Magic Johnson. "Don't bring black people" to the Clippers games, he tells her. “It bothers me a lot that you want to broadcast that you’re associating with black people. Do you have to?”

In the new, 15-minute tape released Sunday by the U.S. website Deadspin, Sterling, 80, is heard telling Stiviano, 38, "You think I'm a racist …" which Stiviano denies. He insists that that's what she thinks, that he has an "evil heart," to which she replies, "I don't think so. I think you have an amazing heart, honey, I think the people around you have poison mind, and have a way of thinking."

At that point Sterling - born to American Jewish immigrant parents as Donald Tokowitz – seemingly tries to defend his views by putting them in an international context, singling out how blacks are treated in Israel.

Sterling: "It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs."

Stiviano: "So you have to treat them like that too?"

Sterling: "The white Jews, there's white Jews and black Jews, do you understand?"

Stiviano: "Are are the black Jews less than the white Jews?"

Sterling: "A hundred percent, fifty, a hundred percent."

Stiviano: "And is that right?"

Sterling: "It isn't a question – we don't evaluate what's right and wrong, we live in a society. We live in a culture. We have to live within that culture."

http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.587665

"When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, you just let them talk," the president said earlier Sunday.
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New tape: NBA owner Sterling told girlfriend, 'In Israel, blacks are treated like dogs' (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 OP
I am embarrassed that Donald Sterling is a Democrat. Jenoch Apr 2014 #1
If he DOES call himself one, he's a DINO thru and thru.....in more ways than one. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #3
He doesn't act like a Dem.. Cha Apr 2014 #5
Depends on the Democrat Scootaloo Apr 2014 #15
I'm embarrassed that he's a Jew. Raksha Apr 2014 #17
No one should be embarrassed that he's a Jew, least of all Jews. merrily Apr 2014 #28
I believe that the correct verb in your sentence should be TexasTowelie Apr 2014 #18
not even this right wing smear in that post is enough for a hide! alp227 Apr 2014 #38
Welcome to Hollywood. 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #21
Bullshit post. JaneyVee Apr 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #48
he's a registered republican who's donated to democrats in the past alp227 Apr 2014 #33
One of whom was Bill Bradley KamaAina Apr 2014 #34
Jury Results for your post: MineralMan Apr 2014 #36
I read somewhere yesterday that said he was a Democrat. Jenoch Apr 2014 #45
Don't be embarrassed, HE'S NOT A DEMOCRAT! JaneyVee Apr 2014 #40
Jeeze is he ignorant for being an octogenarian! Cha Apr 2014 #2
Like the US, Israel has its share of racists against blacks. Behind the Aegis Apr 2014 #6
That's what I thought.. sterling was taking the views of racists in Israel Cha Apr 2014 #9
Nothing like handing ammunition to the anti-Semites. Raksha Apr 2014 #19
He's an equal opportunity bigot. Most are. merrily Apr 2014 #27
It's actually worse than he said. Think doctors involuntarily sterilizing African women. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #7
Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #12
We have a few DU'ers who ardently supported this program and attacked those who were appalled by it Scootaloo Apr 2014 #13
what reasons did they give for supporting it ? JI7 Apr 2014 #37
I don't remember people supporting it so much as pointing out that the "sterilization" WatermelonRat Apr 2014 #44
Depends. Scootaloo Apr 2014 #8
I almost forgot to mention the mistreatment of Ethiopian Jews. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #14
The President is right. Behind the Aegis Apr 2014 #4
Check out the President's response to chuck todd.. Cha Apr 2014 #10
He speaks the truth! Behind the Aegis Apr 2014 #11
he kinda called todd a dumbass arely staircase Apr 2014 #35
Sarah Palin is a prime example of Obama's observation Skittles Apr 2014 #30
. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #32
what is the point of this anyways ? so he is justifying his racism by pointing to israel ? JI7 Apr 2014 #16
Unfortunately, that's exactly what he's doing. Raksha Apr 2014 #20
K&R DeSwiss Apr 2014 #22
lol great graphic..nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #24
All I've got to say is... Violet_Crumble Apr 2014 #29
Using bigotry in Israel to justify his own with the azurnoir Apr 2014 #23
I wonder if she was wired... yuiyoshida Apr 2014 #25
Likely just made a voice memo on her iPhone, Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #26
i think they are legally married but not really together JI7 Apr 2014 #31
Listening to the conversation it seems that he was getting ribbed by someone that she was cuckolding AngryAmish Apr 2014 #39
Lot's things Israel does they should be ashamed of...but they are not. And it's brought here. kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #42
Sterling: "It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs." Hutzpa Apr 2014 #43
All organized religion is, by definition (IMO), bigoted. randome Apr 2014 #46
It does happen. Israel has its own problems, too. AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #47
Yes they do Hutzpa Apr 2014 #49
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
3. If he DOES call himself one, he's a DINO thru and thru.....in more ways than one.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:45 AM
Apr 2014

It wasn't terribly long ago that the Democratic Party still had a bit of a right-wing, most of it in the South, even as many Democrats leaned left.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
5. He doesn't act like a Dem..
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:46 AM
Apr 2014
Skid Row homeless assistance pledge

Despite a June 26, 2006 Los Angeles Times article, detailing the Donald T. Sterling Charitable Foundation's pledge to spend $50 million on a site on the eastern end of Downtown Los Angeles to provide services for Los Angeles' homeless population, nothing has been built. According to an LA Weekly article from February 19, 2008, critics were skeptical that the homeless center would ever be built, and surmised that Sterling bought the property purely for its real-estate value. A follow up article from the LA Weekly states that the foundation has yet to even start attempting to deliver on its promises but continues to run full-page ads trumpeting its pledge in the LA Times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Sterling

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
15. Depends on the Democrat
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:26 AM
Apr 2014

After watching a large portion of DU fall over themselves in order to stick their nose up Zimmerman's asscrack, the big heap of people who think Natives should STFU about things that offend them, the occasional bout of frothing antiziganism, and of course the mind-boggling hate often directed towards Arabs, and well... Seems to be plenty of room for bigots of all flavors, at least among the common democrat. Elected ones seem to restrain themselves to anti-Arab hate.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. No one should be embarrassed that he's a Jew, least of all Jews.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:06 AM
Apr 2014

Clearly, his dominant background is Asshat.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
38. not even this right wing smear in that post is enough for a hide!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:52 PM
Apr 2014
YOUR COMMENTS

"Donald Sterling a Democrat" is a right wing anti progressive smear that originated in DailyCaller.com. see this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024881451

& the reply #33 in this thread. right wing falsehoods have positively NO place on DU.

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Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Lots of things are embarrassing, like posting nonsense on DU. Not everything should be hidden, though. Better to leave it for all to see.
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951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
21. Welcome to Hollywood.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:08 AM
Apr 2014

Where white actresses are scared to do intimate interracial scenes with black males because these racist DINO a-holes are lurking around Hollywood waiting to black list them just ask Julia Styles what happened to her career after Save the last Dance. Just the nature of the business, most are racists, many are pedophiles, even more are DINOs.

What really confuses me is that fact this racist Jewish man was openly going out with a mixed race woman who is black and mexican.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #41)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
34. One of whom was Bill Bradley
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:33 PM
Apr 2014

An NBA team owner donating to a former NBA star's campaign? Imagine that!

MineralMan

(146,316 posts)
36. Jury Results for your post:
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:49 PM
Apr 2014

You're wrong. He's not a Democrat, but that doesn't seem like a reason to hide your post. As several other posts on DU have shown, he's a registered Republican.

On Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:40 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I am embarrassed that Donald Sterling is a Democrat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4880070

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"Donald Sterling a Democrat" is a right wing anti progressive smear that originated in DailyCaller.com. see this thread on DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024881451

& the reply #33 in this thread. right wing falsehoods have positively NO place on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:47 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: I regretfully vote to hide. I am very permissive but seeing how this guy is a registered Republican it is a right wing smear.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Do your research before you post lies
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How about just telling the poster he is wrong?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
45. I read somewhere yesterday that said he was a Democrat.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:07 PM
Apr 2014

It was not the Daily Caller however. Thanks for posting the results of the jury. There's no point in deleting my post now, my mistake.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
2. Jeeze is he ignorant for being an octogenarian!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
Apr 2014

And, is that even true about Israel?

Culture Schmulture, Sterling..


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Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
6. Like the US, Israel has its share of racists against blacks.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:47 AM
Apr 2014

There are those who like to exploit it in such a way to make it seem as it is the entire nation. Basically, it would be like taking the words of that pig Sterling and acting as if he represented the US in any major way.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
9. That's what I thought.. sterling was taking the views of racists in Israel
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:56 AM
Apr 2014

that matched his own to justify to his own racism to his gf. She was not letting him off the hook.

Thanks Behind the Aegis

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
19. Nothing like handing ammunition to the anti-Semites.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:46 AM
Apr 2014

Yeah, there are racists in Israel. And no, it isn't the whole country. But there are those who will say such attitudes are typical not just of Israelis, but of Jews in general--Ashkenazi Jews especially. It all plays into a certain toxic stereotype I'm sure I don't need to explain to you.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. He's an equal opportunity bigot. Most are.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:03 AM
Apr 2014

For him, I bet it's not about being better than only "black" people; it's about being better than everyone who is not like him.

I haven't been following this, but I bet he says things about poor people of every group, including poor white American Jews, as well. And I bet the only people he really respects are people who made even more money than he did.

I'd boycott his team, except that I already boycott all sports (not on any principle, just not especially interested)

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
12. Israel Forcibly Injected African Immigrants with Birth Control, Report Claims
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:00 AM
Apr 2014
This weekend, a report revealing that African women immigrating to Israel were subjected to mandatory contraceptive injections, effectively amounting to forced (if temporary) sterilization made global headlines.

Some 130,000 Ethiopians, most of them Jewish, live in Israel. The community experiences higher poverty and unemployment rates than the rest of the country’s Jewish population. In the past decade, the birth rate among Ethiopian-Israelis has declined by at least 20 percent. Advocacy groups now claim this decline is the result of a birth control regimen forced upon Ethiopian immigrant women.

According to an article in Haaretz, an Israeli news source, one Ethiopian immigrant said that the doctors who injected her claimed that “people who frequently give birth suffer.” While it is possible, if highly unlikely, that doctors genuinely had the women’s health in mind when they forcibly injected them with contraceptives, there is no excuse for depriving women sovereignty over their own reproductive choices.

Israel has acknowledged the issue (without admitting any wrongdoing) and has vowed institutional changes in healthcare for immigrants. By decree of Israel’s health minister, gynecologists have been ordered “not to renew prescriptions for Depo-Provera for women of Ethiopian origin if for any reason there is concern that they might not understand the ramifications of the treatment.” Still, intense scrutiny should be applied by women’s groups and international organizations to make sure these changes are implemented in full. Moreover, more attention must be paid to the plight of vulnerable African immigrants around the world.

That Israel should allegedly engage in this activity is particularly shocking, considering the practice was widely used by the Germans throughout the Shoah. While the scale and effects of these operations cannot be compared, Israel’s implicit intent to limit ‘burdensome’ (read: undesirable) portions of the population recalls the dark eugenics experiments of World War II.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/

The first step in dealing with institutional racism is recognizing it exists.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
13. We have a few DU'ers who ardently supported this program and attacked those who were appalled by it
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:10 AM
Apr 2014

They're still members of DU, in fact.

Go figure.

WatermelonRat

(340 posts)
44. I don't remember people supporting it so much as pointing out that the "sterilization"
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:29 PM
Apr 2014

was a 3 month birth control shot. The pushback wasn't so much against the idea that it was wrong, as it was against the sensationalist portrayal of it as a mass Nazi eugenics project.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
8. Depends.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:55 AM
Apr 2014

Not too long ago a pair of Likud MK's helped incited race riots against Africans in south Tel Aviv, resulting in a nice wave of vandalism, assault, and arson as the Jews of those neighborhoods fell on the Africans in order to "preserve Israel's Jewish character," thereby demonstrating htey have no idea what that phrase means.

There's also the creepy ass desert prison for African asylum-seekers, and the plan to deport them en masse to Uganda "unofficially," mening with no protection from either Israel or Uganda (which isn't first on any refugee's list, else they'd be going south rather than north, one imagines.)

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
14. I almost forgot to mention the mistreatment of Ethiopian Jews.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:19 AM
Apr 2014

Their immigration is strictly limited by quotas, their religious traditions are disrespected (to the point that they're often forced to officially "convert" to their own religion in order to marry) and in general they're treated as second class.

So yeah, he came by his racism honestly.

Behind the Aegis

(53,959 posts)
4. The President is right.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:45 AM
Apr 2014
"When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, you just let them talk,"

They don't even have to be as repulsive as Sterling.

Cha

(297,249 posts)
10. Check out the President's response to chuck todd..
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:58 AM
Apr 2014

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DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
22. K&R
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:17 AM
Apr 2014
- What an asshole.

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yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
25. I wonder if she was wired...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:59 AM
Apr 2014

Do you think she carried a small recording device on her? His wife is suing her for the money he spent on her...How does he even have a girlfriend if he is supposed to be married? Strange story...but yeah...she nailed him.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
26. Likely just made a voice memo on her iPhone,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:02 AM
Apr 2014

Its interesting to find out how this happened and who leaked it.

JI7

(89,250 posts)
31. i think they are legally married but not really together
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:07 AM
Apr 2014

and i think he has cheated on her many times throughout their marriage.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
39. Listening to the conversation it seems that he was getting ribbed by someone that she was cuckolding
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:03 PM
Apr 2014

him with black dudes. He was telling her to cut it out, because being cuckolded by a black dude is just beyond the pale (pun intended).

Clearly this dude don't like black folk.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
42. Lot's things Israel does they should be ashamed of...but they are not. And it's brought here.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:53 PM
Apr 2014

And adds to what is already here.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
43. Sterling: "It's the world! You go to Israel, the blacks are just treated like dogs."
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:00 PM
Apr 2014

he is absolutely right on that statement, I met a Black guy in Virginia that lived in Israel, he told about how the police in
Israel act when they see blacks in public, how they can be humiliated if they don't have the right documents with them.

I'm actually surprise that no one has ever come forward with this.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. All organized religion is, by definition (IMO), bigoted.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:24 PM
Apr 2014

Anything that divides people into 'us' is a 'club' of bigots.

I am an equal opportunity denigrator of organized religion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
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Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
49. Yes they do
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:42 PM
Apr 2014

but this is a problem that is not reported on enough or they've done a marvelous job in ensuring negativity about
how blacks are treated in Israel do not get out.

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