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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:47 AM Apr 2014

The Bleaching of San Francisco: Extreme Gentrification and Suburbanized Poverty in the Bay Area

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/23305-the-bleaching-of-san-francisco-extreme-gentrification-and-suburbanized-poverty-in-the-bay


Protesters block a Facebook bus at intersection of San Francisco's Market and 8th Streets and show unfair system of private tech buses. (Photo: Adam Hudson)

On January 21, dozens of protesters, decrying displacement and inequality, gathered near City Hall in San Francisco on a chilly Tuesday morning. At around 9:15 a.m., they marched down Market Street and blockaded two tech shuttles, one that was parked at a MUNI (San Francisco Municipal Railway) bus stop, the other in the middle of the street. Tech shuttles - also infamously known as "Google buses" - are private corporate buses that take tech industry workers from their homes in San Francisco down the peninsula to work in Silicon Valley.

Protesters surrounded the buses and placed signs near them that read: "Stop Displacement Now" and "Warning: Rents and evictions up near private shuttle stops." A UC-Berkeley study and maps show that evictions and rent increases often follow the locations of tech bus stops. One sign bluntly read: "Fuck off Google."

Present at the protest was Martina Ayala, a teacher, artist and consultant for San Francisco nonprofits working with low-income families. She is currently facing a no-fault eviction from her residence in San Francisco's Outer Richmond neighborhood that sits next to the Pacific Ocean beach. Ayala told Truthout, "The landlord would like us to self-evict" - but not by way of a buy-out, in which landlords evict tenants by paying them to leave. Instead, Ayala said, "They're trying to get us out without having to pay the eviction costs. And so they're doing that by harassing us and calling us every day, sending us three-day notice to pay rent or quit without following through with service." Why would the landlord go to such lengths to push the family out? Ayala says, "Even though we are paying $1,750, that is still not enough for the landlord, because the average rent is now $3,000."

The Google bus blockade lasted for a half-hour. Afterward, the crowd marched down Grove Street to the San Francisco Association of Realtors, then ended at City Hall. Much of the media coverage of the protest focused on the Google bus blockade. However, the protesters emphasized that the tech industry was not the only culprit. Developers, real estate brokers, and City Hall all play a role in economically displacing many San Francisco residents.


***does any one remember san francisco when it was called Baghdad by the Bay? when the Soul of the city was a wild Bohemian spirit? when you could drive across the Bay Bridge and see the waves roll in on the ocean side and even make out PlayLand?
i do -- it's why you wanted to live there.
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The Bleaching of San Francisco: Extreme Gentrification and Suburbanized Poverty in the Bay Area (Original Post) xchrom Apr 2014 OP
High time to move to Detroit. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #1
For what people are paying for a hole in the wall in S.F... MrScorpio Apr 2014 #5
Just did a super-quick google on Detroit real estate. Found these cuties ca 1930 house for $52,000 KittyWampus Apr 2014 #10
That last one is something else. Detroit had some absolutely beautiful homes. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #44
They can't wait until the next time they renew the lease yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #6
Yep. Detroit is obviously the ideal model these protestors are striving for. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #40
And nature is close at hand, as abandoned lots are engulfed in foliage... Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #52
Wow. Amazing pictures, thanks (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #53
k/r marmar Apr 2014 #2
Why don't they make these busses pick up at transit stations only? pipoman Apr 2014 #3
Had a friend that their house was valued at about 20k years ago, after the subway went in that RKP5637 Apr 2014 #4
Seems like a situation ripe for pipoman Apr 2014 #8
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #43
That is because it is a perk yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #7
The city could mandate where pickup points can be pipoman Apr 2014 #9
Do cities normally mandate where bus stops are? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #11
By proxy if the city operates the transit system pipoman Apr 2014 #13
I just don't know if we need to regulate everything yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #14
If it is used as a profit center for private business displacing pipoman Apr 2014 #16
A bus stop is causing the poor to flee? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #17
Wow, because Google and Facebook pipoman Apr 2014 #37
Ah, let the ad hominem attacks start. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #39
lol...nice try pipoman Apr 2014 #46
Interesting topic- lower income people don't have cars but need to get to work somehow. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19
Absolutely disgusting how these "tech companies" are creating well-paying jobs Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #12
Those multinational tech companies are so selfless pipoman Apr 2014 #15
Obviously they are not yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #20
We still wouldn't have this story pipoman Apr 2014 #26
I don't get your point..... Adrahil Apr 2014 #47
The article is about gentrification pipoman Apr 2014 #49
So? Adrahil Apr 2014 #50
Where are the people who work at Trader Joe's supposed to live? Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #55
What is your proposal? Adrahil Apr 2014 #60
Advocating the same that I have done for years... Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #84
Revitalizing depressed areas in the manner you suggest would be even more heinous. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #21
There would be nothing evil about it if the depressed pipoman Apr 2014 #24
So encourage the city of San Francisco to provide affordable housing, Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #30
Ahh . . . the neighborhood was not blighted and depressed — it's in SF brush Apr 2014 #38
The SF Chron ran an article recently that disassembled the protesters movement. Xithras Apr 2014 #56
Black folks often speak about "The Plan" AngryAmish Apr 2014 #69
Then there's this little problem... PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #18
Wow 77 thousand and still can't afford anywhere yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #22
Tax breaks so that people earning $77k per year can live in San Francisco instead of commuting? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #25
Even Oakland PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #34
I think about how little I paid 25 years ago for my half of a San Francisco apartment with a Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #57
she can afford to live in SF, just not in the neighborhood she was in. And looking at the photos KittyWampus Apr 2014 #28
It doesn't appear we are talking about pipoman Apr 2014 #32
I responded to article someone posted that details one particular person. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #35
The subject of this article makes $77,000 per year and would like to live in SF's Mission District. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #23
Do you support use of eminent domain pipoman Apr 2014 #29
No, I disagree with the Kelo decision. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #31
Not would like to: would like to CONTINUE to dickthegrouch Apr 2014 #59
K&R Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #27
Outrage fail snooper2 Apr 2014 #33
Why doesn't anyone mention the greedy, opportunistic landlords. gtar100 Apr 2014 #36
Yep.. PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #41
This kind of stuff has me worried. Adrahil Apr 2014 #48
The problem isn't that the techs pay well. It's that the displaced poor people's employers DON'T. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #42
Exactly. Another case of misplaced outrage. Like the focus on unions. The anger should not be stevenleser Apr 2014 #63
Why do poor people want to live in a high cost of living area like San Francisco? FarCenter Apr 2014 #45
If they work there, they would want to live there. haele Apr 2014 #54
We are talking about people who already live there. Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #68
Isn't it in one's self-interest to move to a place where your income goes farther? FarCenter Apr 2014 #71
Where are the better jobs in CA? Fast food in Tracy? Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #74
The city is less than 1/5 the metro area and less than 1/10th the Consolidated Statistical Area FarCenter Apr 2014 #76
So you offering to pay my rent? Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #79
Oooh! Pick me! Retrograde Apr 2014 #80
In the 90's when high school dropouts were getting high-paying internet start-up closeupready Apr 2014 #51
There is another, even larger city closer to Silicon Valley. KamaAina Apr 2014 #58
And that's why SF and San Jose are now the same except for the buildings Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #61
Hardly. KamaAina Apr 2014 #62
A city is the people in it. San Jose and SF have the same people, in shifts Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #65
Nonsense. KamaAina Apr 2014 #66
It's always the same. Hippies find a cool place, make it artsy, fun, and real, and fucking yuppies Zorra Apr 2014 #64
You're absolutely correct! displacedtexan Apr 2014 #75
Living in San Francisco is a luxury good. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #67
The BART extension to Rhinelander has been put on hold indefinitely. KamaAina Apr 2014 #70
Median rental housing $689 FarCenter Apr 2014 #72
But watch out for da hodags! nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #73
I have to as what a hodag is. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #77
Here's da Hodag, on da Wiki. /Wisconsinite accent AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #78
folkloric? I got bit. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #81
Rent costs have turned our inner cities into yuppie lands. It's happening in ATL as well. YOHABLO Apr 2014 #82
Well, DU is partially funded by Google Adsense. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #83

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
5. For what people are paying for a hole in the wall in S.F...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:09 AM
Apr 2014

You can buy a mansion here.

Come on in, the water's fine.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
10. Just did a super-quick google on Detroit real estate. Found these cuties ca 1930 house for $52,000
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:24 AM
Apr 2014




Need a bigger house? For well under $400,000






I've no idea what neighborhoods are like, but DAMN-

As someone who lives where real estate is among the highest in the nation that is incredible for such beautiful, vintage houses.
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
6. They can't wait until the next time they renew the lease
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:15 AM
Apr 2014

Certainly the Landlord could redo the lease when it is up....they can't wait a few months when the lease is up and then make the rent 3000? Talk about being selfish.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
40. Yep. Detroit is obviously the ideal model these protestors are striving for.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:21 AM
Apr 2014

Low rents. Low housing costs. No gentrification. No tech companies providing buses for their employees to get to work.

What could be more utopian?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
3. Why don't they make these busses pick up at transit stations only?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:17 AM
Apr 2014

Rents are already higher near transit stations...

RKP5637

(67,109 posts)
4. Had a friend that their house was valued at about 20k years ago, after the subway went in that
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:02 AM
Apr 2014

area the value jumped to about 90k just a couple of years later. They were renting and had been thinking of buying the house, but thought 20k was way too much. Long story short, their lease was not renewed and the house sold for over 100k just a couple of years later, just because there was a subway station a few blocks from their house.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
8. Seems like a situation ripe for
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:19 AM
Apr 2014

Some company to buy up distressed real estate then make a pickup point nearby and wait for the values to skyrocket. ..

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
7. That is because it is a perk
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:19 AM
Apr 2014

It could be counted as an amenity. A lot of people like the convenience of a subway or train stop or even a bus stop near their home. It is the same as someone want to live near their work. It makes life much easier than having to walk a mile to the subway stop or drive an hour to work. People like convenience and willing to pay extra for it.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
9. The city could mandate where pickup points can be
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:23 AM
Apr 2014

I suppose they could get by it if they contracted with owners of lots big enough to have a pickup on private property. ..

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
11. Do cities normally mandate where bus stops are?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:26 AM
Apr 2014

I live in a relatively affluent area of Arnold Maryland and we have a bus stop about a 1/2 mile away in front of the Safeway. I don't see it being a big deal. Of course the community said heck no to a subway stop that would have allowed the subway to come from DC to Annapolis MD....I kinda liked the idea but most people did not.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
13. By proxy if the city operates the transit system
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:31 AM
Apr 2014

They can impose regs on just about any use of public property, especially commercial use. ..

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
14. I just don't know if we need to regulate everything
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:33 AM
Apr 2014

I mean a bus stop? Really? I can see regulating a lot of things but a bus stop would not be on the top of my list. Would it yours really?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
17. A bus stop is causing the poor to flee?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:40 AM
Apr 2014

I guess they could have the rich move out of the city into a suburb but I thought the cities were trying to get the rich back into the cities. Isn't that what Obama wanted to have a bigger diverse city? Why not just make room for everyone? The cities typically are pretty big. There has to be more to the problem than a bus stop. This is the first time I am hearing that a bus stop pushes the poor out of the city. Wouldn't it make it easier for the poor to get jobs at the companies providing the bus?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
37. Wow, because Google and Facebook
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:06 AM
Apr 2014

Are such great citizens...I'm sure their campuses are teaming with previously poor people of color..Their bus transit systems are all about environmental friendliness. ..

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
39. Ah, let the ad hominem attacks start.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:17 AM
Apr 2014

Google and Facebook have racist hiring policies! And they don't care about the environment anyway! A sure sign of who is winning the argument.....

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
12. Absolutely disgusting how these "tech companies" are creating well-paying jobs
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:29 AM
Apr 2014

and helping the environment by providing buses for their employees to get to work and back, reducing the number of cars on the freeways.

I hope that these protestors are successful in persuading employers to abandon this city. This will have the effect of reducing job opportunities and depressing property prices and rents, thus reversing the dreaded "gentrification".

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
15. Those multinational tech companies are so selfless
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:35 AM
Apr 2014

Always acting with an eye toward being good corporate citizens they are. ..

Do we know that these companies aren't buying up depressed real estate, then making a bus stop nearby and encouraging employees to buy near the stop?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
26. We still wouldn't have this story
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:50 AM
Apr 2014

If it weren't for public protests which are difficult to ignore.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
47. I don't get your point.....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:18 AM
Apr 2014

So, If there is a rise in middle-class professional jobs in an area, that somehow is a BAD thing? I mean, how DARE people bring their larger tax base into a city! Those middle class enemies of the working class should be made to stay within their own gated communities!

Trader Joe's=OPPRESSION!

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
49. The article is about gentrification
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:24 AM
Apr 2014

Would you feel the same if the companies in the article were the Kochs? After all, they provide good paying jobs. ..I live near Koch central. ...they hire nobody without a bachelor's degree. ...sounds familiar. ...

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
50. So?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:31 AM
Apr 2014

All this does set the working class against the middle class. Now we're identifying middle class professionals with a degree as the enemy? That is EXACTLY what people like the Kochs want.

So long as working class people are identifying middle class professionals making a $100K-$150K a year as the enemy, They can continue to pillage the rest of the country.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
60. What is your proposal?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:07 PM
Apr 2014

It's usually best to have mixed housing, but ultimately, but how do you ensure that? Government sponsored affordable housing is usually helpful, but what else? Rent controls? What do you suggest? FWIW, I know a couple guys in Silicon Valley and many of THEM are chasing chasing affordable housing.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
84. Advocating the same that I have done for years...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:13 PM
Apr 2014

Actually using the monies in the "Affordable Housing Fund" to actually aggressively fund affordable housing development. Expand the tax base to add more monies to the fund. Slow down on approving "market" rate housing that does not also include affordable units in the building (rather than letting the developers contribute to the "Affordable Housing Fund" which allows housing to be built somewhere some other time). Make the eviction procedures more punitive. Expand rent control to newly converted condos. Come down hard on those who Ellis a building in order to evict and then renege on the stipulations; i.e., re-renting before the 10 moratorium has expired.



Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
21. Revitalizing depressed areas in the manner you suggest would be even more heinous.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:42 AM
Apr 2014

Turning a blighted, depressed neighborhood into a thriving community by having well paid tech workers moving in and spending their money in stores, restaurants and bars? That would be like the most evil thing ever.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
24. There would be nothing evil about it if the depressed
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:48 AM
Apr 2014

Residents were given other options for affordable living from the revenue for "revitalization"...but alas....

Did you bother to read this and the 20 other posts and stories about why the people are protesting?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
30. So encourage the city of San Francisco to provide affordable housing,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:58 AM
Apr 2014

or require affordable housing to be provided when new retail and residential developments are approved.

Instead of whining about Google and Facebook providing well-paid jobs and helping the environment by providing transportation.

brush

(53,784 posts)
38. Ahh . . . the neighborhood was not blighted and depressed — it's in SF
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:09 AM
Apr 2014

not too many blighted and depressed 'hoods in that expensive city.

A woman mentioned in the story pays $1750 in rent (not too shabby) but the landlord wants her out so he/she can charge much more.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
56. The SF Chron ran an article recently that disassembled the protesters movement.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:58 PM
Apr 2014

Basically, they demonstrated, using the city governments own numbers, that the gentrification and rent increases were occurring before tech moved in, and that the complete removal of the tech industry wouldn't stop it. At worst, the techies ares increasing its pace a little, but that's it.

The real problems are complex and multifaceted, but are the result of a complex interplay between the lack of development, poorly written rent control laws, and a growing population. San Francisco is growing fewer housing units than it is growing people, and unlike some cities, it can't expand outward. Competition for real estate is growing, which drives up housing costs. Rent control laws only cover a portion of the rental market, which creates huge economic divisions between those who live under it and those who don't. With a growing population, buying a rental and performing an Ellis eviction can often be the simplest way to find a home for many people. Because rent controlled buildings are less profitable than "free market" rentals, they can be bought cheaper than uncontrolled buildings and provide an easier "targets". The reduction of available housing stock through these buyouts also has the effect of increasing competition for the remaining "free market" rentals, driving up their rent even further, driving even more renters to buy, and taking even more rentals off the market. It''s easy to try and villify these buyers, but the reality is that most of them are San Franciscan's too, and they're just looking to stay in their home city. Does one San Franciscan have more of a "right" to stay in the city than another? Who gets to pick which San Franciscan is "San Franciscan enough" to live in a particular unit? There aren't enough residences for the population, so somebody has to go.

Most cities would respond to these conditions by building more housing units, but San Francisco has long been vehemently anti-developer which makes putting up new buildings a huge feat. Every development proposal is accompanied by years of hearings, neighborhood votes, and multiple pitches to the politically finicky supes. So the population continues to grow, and no "new" housing is being built for them. In just about any other city, this new population growth would be funneled into new housing towers, land use conversions, and other developments that add to the total number of residences, allowing the population to grow without displacement. In San Francisco there aren't nearly enough developments to accomplish this, so the new population has to displace the old population simply to find shelter. The result is "gentrification".

Tech certainly carries a small part of the blame, as a portion of those new residents are from workers moving to SF in order to service the tech industry, but even a total flight of tech wouldn't save San Francisco from gentrification. The douchie "brogrammers" make a convenient asshole scapegoat that few want to defend, but they're not the real problem. The real problem is a lack of leadership and planning in San Francisco that started long before most techies were even born.

But it's easier to blame Google and Twitter.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
69. Black folks often speak about "The Plan"
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:18 PM
Apr 2014

Generally it means bidding up the real estate and harassing blacks with police to leave. Manhatten, DC, San Fran, La and now Chicago.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
22. Wow 77 thousand and still can't afford anywhere
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:45 AM
Apr 2014

That is amazing. Why not give tax breaks on anyone making under 100K? She probably pays 50 percent of her salary to taxes of various areas. If she received the entire 77 grand, she may be able to live in San Francisco. Why doesn't anything think of that. Just give folks their entire paychecks instead of 1/2 most of the time.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
25. Tax breaks so that people earning $77k per year can live in San Francisco instead of commuting?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:49 AM
Apr 2014

And it's not that she "can't afford anywhere". It's that she can't afford a nice apartment in one of the most desirable neighborhoods in San Francisco.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
34. Even Oakland
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:04 AM
Apr 2014

is getting out of hand price-wise. Most of our friends have moved from the city over to the East Bay now. Who knows how long they can stay. Lifelong SFers, too. Kinda sad.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
57. I think about how little I paid 25 years ago for my half of a San Francisco apartment with a
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:03 PM
Apr 2014

sweeping view of the Bay and it makes me want to weep.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
28. she can afford to live in SF, just not in the neighborhood she was in. And looking at the photos
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:53 AM
Apr 2014

and reading the short info about that one particular woman… I get the feeling she is a part time yoga instructor (she has a box full of yoga mats) who HAD a two bedroom apartment (it says so at end of article) in a highly desirable neighborhood but didn't want to get a room-mate when rates when sky-high.

Not to downplay the gentrification issue.

But that happens everywhere.

Neighborhoods go to heck, artists move in and make it hip, money comes back in, artists move somewheres else.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
32. It doesn't appear we are talking about
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:00 AM
Apr 2014

artists, and I am doubting that most of the displaced have much of anything in common beyond economic situation and race...

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
35. I responded to article someone posted that details one particular person.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:04 AM
Apr 2014

As for displacement, I live in an area with the highest real estate values in the country.

The baymen largely lost their livelihood. The farmers are long gone.

We don't have enough volunteers for fire department anymore cause housing is reserved for Wall Street and other wealthy weekenders.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. The subject of this article makes $77,000 per year and would like to live in SF's Mission District.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:46 AM
Apr 2014

As would many people. Living in such a neighborhood is a luxury choice that obviously has a higher cost than living in a somewhat more modest neighborhood and taking advantage of public transportation.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
29. Do you support use of eminent domain
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:57 AM
Apr 2014

For private enterprise too?...corporate person rights and such?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
31. No, I disagree with the Kelo decision.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:00 AM
Apr 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelo_v._City_of_New_London

In this case I stand with the dissenters: Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, William Rehnquist and Sandra Day O'Connor.

You?

The principal dissent was issued on 25 June 2005 by Justice O'Connor, joined by Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia and Thomas. The dissenting opinion suggested that the use of this taking power in a reverse Robin Hood fashion— take from the poor, give to the rich— would become the norm, not the exception:
“ Any property may now be taken for the benefit of another private party, but the fallout from this decision will not be random. The beneficiaries are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms. ”

O'Connor argued that the decision eliminates "any distinction between private and public use of property — and thereby effectively delete[s] the words 'for public use' from the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment." 125 S.Ct. 2655, 2671.

Thomas also issued a separate originalist dissent, in which he argued that the precedents the court's decision relied upon were flawed. He accuses the majority of replacing the Fifth Amendment's "Public Use" clause with a very different "public purpose" test:
“ This deferential shift in phraseology enables the Court to hold, against all common sense, that a costly urban-renewal project whose stated purpose is a vague promise of new jobs and increased tax revenue, but which is also suspiciously agreeable to the Pfizer Corporation, is for a 'public use.' ”

Thomas additionally observed:
“ Something has gone seriously awry with this Court's interpretation of the Constitution. Though citizens are safe from the government in their homes, the homes themselves are not.

545 U.S. 469, 518 (2005)


Thomas also made use of the argument presented in the NAACP/AARP/SCLC/SJLS amicus brief on behalf of three low-income residents' groups fighting redevelopment in New Jersey, noting:
“ Allowing the government to take property solely for public purposes is bad enough, but extending the concept of public purpose to encompass any economically beneficial goal guarantees that these losses will fall disproportionately on poor communities. Those communities are not only systematically less likely to put their lands to the highest and best social use, but are also the least politically powerful.[8]

dickthegrouch

(3,174 posts)
59. Not would like to: would like to CONTINUE to
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:05 PM
Apr 2014

live in the Mission district without being forced out by a landlord who sees the opportunity to make twice as much if she can be forced out somehow.

Rent control probably prohibits the landlord from raising the rent by more than a few percent unless the unit is vacated. That's the goal. Raise the rent from 1700/month to 3000/month on vacation of the premises. Let the existing person stay and only be allowed to raise it by a "pittance".
Remember they were renting it out a profit previously and mortgages have gone down. I doubt the landlords expenses are going up (although I wouldn't pay 3000/month for a place with a 20 year old carpet and needs some paint and double glazing).

The landlord would lose one month's worth of rent paying to help out with moving costs. Let them share the pain of their greed.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
36. Why doesn't anyone mention the greedy, opportunistic landlords.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:05 AM
Apr 2014

They are the ones who raised the rent after all.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
41. Yep..
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:25 AM
Apr 2014

Rebecca Solnit is discussing this whole gentrification mess on her website. I love how she refers to Google as "hipster Big Brother."

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
48. This kind of stuff has me worried.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

The wealthiest in this country are managing to make the middle class and the working class fight each other. Meanwhile the 1% continues to pillage the country.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. The problem isn't that the techs pay well. It's that the displaced poor people's employers DON'T.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:33 AM
Apr 2014

Corporate America, for the most part, rejects the notion that "a rising tide lifts all boats."

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
63. Exactly. Another case of misplaced outrage. Like the focus on unions. The anger should not be
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:15 PM
Apr 2014

aimed at Unions, it should be aimed at other companies that dont give the same benefits unionized firms do and who also discourage the unionization of their firms.

haele

(12,659 posts)
54. If they work there, they would want to live there.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

You think the city of SF is going to require their contractors pay clerks, security guards and janitors at least $80K a year as a minimum wage to be able to live close enough just to be able to work on time - because they're not dropping the kids off at daycare at 4am, catching the van-pool to the BART at 5am to just be on the job at 8am?
You think restaurants are going to pay their cooks and wait-staff more than $30 an hour so that they can live within 5 miles of the job site and won't be stressed out of their minds trying to get to work on time and still be able to take care of things at home?

The problem is not just that someone wants "the privilege" to live in the Mission or Castro Districts; the problem is that even a 250sq.ft. unfurnished "pay your own utilities" cold-water studio over a bar in the Tenderloin or Waterfront districts is out of reach for the average minimum-wage SF worker at near $1500 a month rent, and they're forced to look far outside the city to be able to find a large enough affordable apartment or home for themselves or their families.
SF is old, with limited area for housing and an in-city workforce at least five times over the actual capability for the city infrastructure to comfortably support - and there is no where left to expand unless they are willing to plow up the existing green areas and parks (that currently attract a significant amount of tourist dollars) to put in more housing for people who can't afford the "gentrified" pricing of housing within the city.
Traffic is a nightmare on spiderwebs of narrow, historic streets and loop freeways and highways; and public transportation, while pretty good, still sucks if the only places you can afford to live are thirty to sixty miles away.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who work in SF at near minimum wage who can't find a decent place to house themselves and their families near enough to their jobs to bike to work or spend less than an hour one way on public transportation.

While gentrification can be beneficial for "the atmosphere" of a neighborhood, it tends to displace people who were living there for decades previous who can't afford to pay the new rents or, in most cases, move. That's why rent control policies are crucial to create housing stability for the majority of workers who aren't in glamorous or high-paying jobs and are going to be renting all their life because the post-WWII boom is over and the shrinking working middle class aren't making enough in wages to responsibly buy and keep up property and a house any more. Not to mention the thousands retirees who have been maintaining the same previously apartment for over 30 to 50 years, and can't conceive of moving.

There needs to be a balance between housing and housing costs that don't force people out into the streets with nowhere to go just because "the Market" can charge more because there's a bunch of new grad-school technocrats spending money (that they should be saving for that now obvious forced retirement they will be experiencing in the next two decades when they're no longer "fresh and young&quot just to live in the hip new neighborhood - until they get laid off and can't find another job.

I've seen this happen to too many "gentrified" neighborhoods. House flipping is rampant, because people

Haele

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
68. We are talking about people who already live there.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:04 PM
Apr 2014

And who weren't "poor people" when they started their lives there. Keep up.

I get that you hate any discussion of economic inequities caused by the system, but you could at least read the background on the history here.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
71. Isn't it in one's self-interest to move to a place where your income goes farther?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:45 PM
Apr 2014

If you are working, you move to where you can get a better job.

If you are retired, you move to where the cost of living is lower.

This happens all the time, as people adjust to their situation. They're not plants.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
74. Where are the better jobs in CA? Fast food in Tracy?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:08 PM
Apr 2014

What if your entire family lives in SF? What if it's going to cost you $5000 to move, with finding a new place and getting a new deposit, first month rent and moving costs and you're living paycheck to paycheck?

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
76. The city is less than 1/5 the metro area and less than 1/10th the Consolidated Statistical Area
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:45 PM
Apr 2014

There is a lot of metro area that is less expensive than the city without going to Tracy.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
79. So you offering to pay my rent?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:06 PM
Apr 2014

I live in one of the suburbs of SF. It's fucking expensive. There are no jobs in my field, I have the last one of its kind in the immediate area. Wages have not kept rising with the cost of living, and middle-class families got slammed in the recession. Where are you proposing to relocate 1000's of families, FC? Where are us poors moving to where you'd prefer?

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
80. Oooh! Pick me!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:20 PM
Apr 2014

Aside from the fact that two or three booms ago the Mission was not a particularly desirable place, I can think of a few reasons.

They could be SF natives, born and raised in the city and now see themselves being driven out by hipster wannabes. They could be people who work in the city, and think the higher costs in the city balance out the commute costs and commute time. They are attending school in SF. They like the climate. They like the diversity.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
51. In the 90's when high school dropouts were getting high-paying internet start-up
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

jobs, most of them rejected Democrats and the liberal policies that have helped keep the domestic economy very strong - things like tariffs and other pro-labor policies - and voted Republican.

Today, we see that most of those jobs have been outsourced or else those who were doing these jobs have been replaced by H1-B's.

There is a karmic cycle that will eventually come back around to bite those who are displacing current residents. I don't know what form it will take, or when it will happen, but I've seen it happen over and over and over again in my lifetime.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
58. There is another, even larger city closer to Silicon Valley.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:04 PM
Apr 2014

The problem (or as we say out here, "the issue" ) is that no one wants to live in San Jose, present company very much included. So they all pile into SF.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
61. And that's why SF and San Jose are now the same except for the buildings
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:11 PM
Apr 2014

They live in San Jose, they just sleep in SF.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
62. Hardly.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:12 PM
Apr 2014

It would be difficult to find anyplace in The City, except maybe up on Twin Peaks, that had my lousy 55 walk score. Or transit that ran only every half-hour middays and weekends.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
65. A city is the people in it. San Jose and SF have the same people, in shifts
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:42 PM
Apr 2014

They are daytime San Jose and come to SF only to sleep. The fact that they do so is why San Jose transit is not improved, why it does not really benefit from being the actual center of all of that money.
I actually like San Jose, there is a bit of authentic life there still, the Rep does great theater, SF has only bus and truck tours of Book of Mormon and Lion King.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
66. Nonsense.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:59 PM
Apr 2014

For instance, SF has a much larger Chinese community, while SJ has a much larger Vietnamese one.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
64. It's always the same. Hippies find a cool place, make it artsy, fun, and real, and fucking yuppies
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:17 PM
Apr 2014

come along and totally ruin it, craving *authenticity*.

Then, after the yuppies discover they've ruined a place by trying to mimic the authentic, (because they've bought out or driven off whoever and whatever was authentic about the place they took over) they buy summer homes in the new authentic places where the authentic people they drove out moved to, and made artsy and fun, and drive them out again. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

You can't buy real.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
75. You're absolutely correct!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:17 PM
Apr 2014

We live smack dab in the middle of Sf (the Inner Richmond) across the street from GG Park, and all of our young techie friends are looking for vacay homes on the Russian River. This is how it starts.

And for those of you still confused, landlords can't raise the rent more that 1 or 2 percent each year. They can, however, make you miserable enough to move out (which lets them out of your relocation payment). See, if a landlord wants to live in your apartment, s/he can force you out under the Ellis act, but s/he has to pay you quite a bit (sliding scale based on your length of time there, rent, deposits, and your age if you're over 60). There are a few more legit reasons why you can legally be forced out, but it costs the landlord, and they'd rather just run you off. When you're gone, they can offer your place at the current going rate.

We currently pay $3000 per month for a 2 bed/1bath place in a boutique bldg with a European courtyard half a block from the museum entrance to the park. The new neighbors next door are paying $4000 for a dark, dank interior apt the same size. The woman who moved out of there was paying $1600. Her daughter married a movie star, and she moved to L.A.

The googlers don't want to live in Livermore or Palo Alto. I can't blame them. They're like suburbs looking for cities: miles and miles of strip malls. And the googlers are complaining about the human excrement and drug deals going on outside their trendy loft conversion bldgs downtown. They have a point, but they should've researched the neighborhood before signing the lease, IMHO.

Anyway, the problem isn't nearly as simple as reporters pretend it is. The city is magnificent, and I'm having an absolute blast living here after more than a decade on Capitol Hill!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
78. Here's da Hodag, on da Wiki. /Wisconsinite accent
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:50 PM
Apr 2014
Hodag
The Hodag is a folkloric animal of the American state of Wisconsin. Its history is focused mainly around the city of Rhinelander in northern Wisconsin, where it was said to have been discovered. Wikipedia


Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hodag

I apologize for the poor imitation of the real accent, btw.
 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
82. Rent costs have turned our inner cities into yuppie lands. It's happening in ATL as well.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:31 PM
Apr 2014

Finding affordable housing is just one of the side effects of the Corporatization of America. I could never afford anywhere near $2000-$3000 of month for an apartment. Must be nice to be young, have a tech degree and work for Google .. they contribute so much to society don't they?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
83. Well, DU is partially funded by Google Adsense.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:49 PM
Apr 2014

Which enables DU to be accessible and usable even for members who choose not to donate.

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