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tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:53 AM Apr 2014

Today in 1967

Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?

No, I am not going ten thousand miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would put my prestige in jeopardy and could cause me to lose millions of dollars which should accrue to me as the champion. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is right here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality…

If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to twenty-two million of my people they wouldn’t have to draft me, I’d join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So I’ll go to jail. We’ve been in jail for four hundred years. -

See more at: http://alphahistory.com/vietnam/muhammad-ali-refuses-to-fight-1967/#sthash.IChOhhbx.dpuf

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Today in 1967 (Original Post) tk2kewl Apr 2014 OP
The Greatest pscot Apr 2014 #1
Yeah, he had that right. malthaussen Apr 2014 #2
In my opinion... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #3
He was right, but that took a lot of guts back then. Hoyt Apr 2014 #4
yeah, the same wrong wingers who got deferments mikeysnot Apr 2014 #24
Like Chickenhawk Cheney? muntrv Apr 2014 #30
bingo mikeysnot Apr 2014 #37
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2014 #5
I remember it well madokie Apr 2014 #6
I had been in Vietnam since December of 1966 - I remember it well, too Glorfindel Apr 2014 #14
I was just back in the world and jaysunb Apr 2014 #34
k and r niyad Apr 2014 #7
Wise words spoken by a true International HERO. joanbarnes Apr 2014 #8
My ex husband was furious about this and refused to acknowlege Ali. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #9
Same with my father. He loved boxing, but not black people... Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #17
I have a relative who earned a purple heart there, but nearly died closeupready Apr 2014 #21
Hey, I have an ex just like that. llmart Apr 2014 #31
Yeah, I heard that one too and I agree with your father. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #32
Amen and Amen uponit7771 Apr 2014 #10
K&R Auggie Apr 2014 #11
so well said G_j Apr 2014 #12
I was 10 at the time Omaha Steve Apr 2014 #13
And thus began MANY a loud discussions benld74 Apr 2014 #15
A true hero... He had so much to lose, and he chose to speak out anyway. DesertDiamond Apr 2014 #16
Exactly my thought - he was told he would lose it all rurallib Apr 2014 #22
K&R! None of us should have fought in that godforsaken war. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #18
Absolutely no disrespect intended for our Veterans! yallerdawg Apr 2014 #19
Years later, H2O Man Apr 2014 #20
I didn't know how brave this guy was till I saw a documentary on PBS Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #23
George Carlin Had a Good Bit About Muhammed Ali Leith Apr 2014 #25
Smart man. Warpy Apr 2014 #26
Nothing about this life has been wasted. TygrBright Apr 2014 #27
K&R napkinz Apr 2014 #28
YES!!! DeSwiss Apr 2014 #29
What a man malaise Apr 2014 #33
He truly was a Champion in every way! sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #35
Some great photos from the Houston Chronicle PDittie Apr 2014 #36

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
3. In my opinion...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

this man was the greatest revolutionary of the '60's.

His principled stand against the Viet Nam War was a wake up call to America on so many levels.

He was a great boxer and entertainer, but what he did for America was an act of humility on the same level as a Gandhi or a Mandela.

Respect.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. He was right, but that took a lot of guts back then.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:15 AM
Apr 2014

I think a lot of right wingers knew he was right too.

Glorfindel

(9,729 posts)
14. I had been in Vietnam since December of 1966 - I remember it well, too
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:56 PM
Apr 2014

We all admired him for his principled stand. Naturally, we didn't share our opinions with the officers!

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
34. I was just back in the world and
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:24 AM
Apr 2014

wished I'd acted the same when I got my draft notice two years earlier. Was then and will always be my hero.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
9. My ex husband was furious about this and refused to acknowlege Ali.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:49 AM
Apr 2014

He was Cassius Clay to that jerk, even as he used the influence of friends to get into the National Guard... just one of many reasons he's my ex husband.

My current husband is a Vietnam vet. He said he served out of a sense of duty and love of country. Now, he agrees with everything Ali said.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
17. Same with my father. He loved boxing, but not black people...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

...and certainly not uppity, un-American black people like Muhammed Ali.

And he just about had a stroke when Little Richard came on the Tonight Show.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
21. I have a relative who earned a purple heart there, but nearly died
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:18 PM
Apr 2014

in the process. He kind of drifted away after he returned. Just a sad conflict in the history of the US.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
31. Hey, I have an ex just like that.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:19 PM
Apr 2014

Joined the National Guard to get out of active duty and now he's revised his history calling himself a "veteran".

My father admired Ali for having the courage of his convictions.

Omaha Steve

(99,635 posts)
13. I was 10 at the time
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:48 PM
Apr 2014

I only heard he didn't want to fight in the war. I didn't understand it at the time. I do now. For the champ:

K&R!

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
22. Exactly my thought - he was told he would lose it all
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:46 PM
Apr 2014

and he did. They went out of their way to take it all from him.
In the end he won.
He did what so few are willing to do today - stand up for what you really believe and put it all on the line.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
18. K&R! None of us should have fought in that godforsaken war.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:01 PM
Apr 2014

There was nothing patriotic about it.

It did not preserve our freedom.

It was never the right thing to do.

If our government and the CIA believed Vietnam was essential for preserving the world for capitalism then they should have been excoriated for their incompetence.

It served as little purpose as Afghanistan. Maybe less when we look at it in the historical context.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
19. Absolutely no disrespect intended for our Veterans!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 02:44 PM
Apr 2014

Our country right or wrong.

And you all have the debt of a nation.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
20. Years later,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:29 PM
Apr 2014

a journalist asked The Champ if he held any grudges against those men who stripped him of his title and ability to earn a living while his conviction was being appealed? More, had he considered suing them for damages?

Ali said no, he held no grudges whatsoever. He said that he took his stance based upon what he thought was right; likewise, he accepted that those who opposed him were doing what they thought was right.

Those 3.5 years were what was his physical prime. And he lost the opportunity to make millions of dollars. Both his brave and moral stance, and his ability to forgive those who sought to put him in prison, speak highly of this man.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
27. Nothing about this life has been wasted.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:52 PM
Apr 2014

Talk about living to the full...

Nobody's fool, nobody's tool.

He knew the price and paid it.

I honor him.

respectfully,
Bright

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. He truly was a Champion in every way!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:54 AM
Apr 2014

I wish everyone would take that stand, everywhere. If the greedy cowards, Cheney et al want to profit from killing people in other countries, let them go do it themselves.



Thanks Ali. He has more courage in his little finger than all the warmongering, cowardly 'leaders' put together.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
36. Some great photos from the Houston Chronicle
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:21 AM
Apr 2014


On June 20, 1967, Ali was tried, convicted,and sentenced in a Houston court to five years in prison for refusing to serve in the military and was ordered to pay a $10,000 fine for draft evasion. His lawyers then appealed the court's decision, which was denied in May 1968. He returned to boxing in 1970 while his case was on appeal.

The case found its way to the Supreme Court in June 1971, where his conviction was overturned. The high court stated that it was not possible to decide which of the three basic tests for conscientious objector status were used and relied on by the draft board in Ali's case to deny his objecting status.

The Houston MEPS has been processing applicants for the Armed Forces at that Houston site since 1966. To this day, you can still see new recruits leaving the building for recruit training in other cities.


http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/47-years-ago-today-Muhammad-Ali-refused-the-5435356.php?cmpid=rrneighbor#photo-6228991
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