General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsToday in 1967
Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?
No, I am not going ten thousand miles from home to help murder and burn another poor nation simply to continue the domination of white slave masters of the darker people the world over. This is the day when such evils must come to an end. I have been warned that to take such a stand would put my prestige in jeopardy and could cause me to lose millions of dollars which should accrue to me as the champion. But I have said it once and I will say it again. The real enemy of my people is right here. I will not disgrace my religion, my people or myself by becoming a tool to enslave those who are fighting for their own justice, freedom and equality
If I thought the war was going to bring freedom and equality to twenty-two million of my people they wouldnt have to draft me, Id join tomorrow. But I either have to obey the laws of the land or the laws of Allah. I have nothing to lose by standing up for my beliefs. So Ill go to jail. Weve been in jail for four hundred years. -
See more at: http://alphahistory.com/vietnam/muhammad-ali-refuses-to-fight-1967/#sthash.IChOhhbx.dpuf
pscot
(21,024 posts)malthaussen
(17,195 posts)And it is as valid in 2014 as it was in 1967.
-- Mal
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)this man was the greatest revolutionary of the '60's.
His principled stand against the Viet Nam War was a wake up call to America on so many levels.
He was a great boxer and entertainer, but what he did for America was an act of humility on the same level as a Gandhi or a Mandela.
Respect.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I think a lot of right wingers knew he was right too.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)the poster boy of republican cowardliness and privilege.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)Recommended.
Ali had the courage of his convictions.
madokie
(51,076 posts)A few days after then is when I got my draft notice
Glorfindel
(9,729 posts)We all admired him for his principled stand. Naturally, we didn't share our opinions with the officers!
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)wished I'd acted the same when I got my draft notice two years earlier. Was then and will always be my hero.
niyad
(113,315 posts)joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)He was Cassius Clay to that jerk, even as he used the influence of friends to get into the National Guard... just one of many reasons he's my ex husband.
My current husband is a Vietnam vet. He said he served out of a sense of duty and love of country. Now, he agrees with everything Ali said.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)...and certainly not uppity, un-American black people like Muhammed Ali.
And he just about had a stroke when Little Richard came on the Tonight Show.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)in the process. He kind of drifted away after he returned. Just a sad conflict in the history of the US.
llmart
(15,540 posts)Joined the National Guard to get out of active duty and now he's revised his history calling himself a "veteran".
My father admired Ali for having the courage of his convictions.
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)uponit7771
(90,339 posts)G_j
(40,367 posts)just as relevant today as it was then.
Omaha Steve
(99,635 posts)I only heard he didn't want to fight in the war. I didn't understand it at the time. I do now. For the champ:
K&R!
benld74
(9,904 posts)between my father and myself,,,,,,,
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)and he did. They went out of their way to take it all from him.
In the end he won.
He did what so few are willing to do today - stand up for what you really believe and put it all on the line.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)There was nothing patriotic about it.
It did not preserve our freedom.
It was never the right thing to do.
If our government and the CIA believed Vietnam was essential for preserving the world for capitalism then they should have been excoriated for their incompetence.
It served as little purpose as Afghanistan. Maybe less when we look at it in the historical context.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Our country right or wrong.
And you all have the debt of a nation.
H2O Man
(73,537 posts)a journalist asked The Champ if he held any grudges against those men who stripped him of his title and ability to earn a living while his conviction was being appealed? More, had he considered suing them for damages?
Ali said no, he held no grudges whatsoever. He said that he took his stance based upon what he thought was right; likewise, he accepted that those who opposed him were doing what they thought was right.
Those 3.5 years were what was his physical prime. And he lost the opportunity to make millions of dollars. Both his brave and moral stance, and his ability to forgive those who sought to put him in prison, speak highly of this man.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)about his life. Wonderful.
Leith
(7,809 posts)Warpy
(111,261 posts)We loved him for standing up to the warmongers.
TygrBright
(20,760 posts)Talk about living to the full...
Nobody's fool, nobody's tool.
He knew the price and paid it.
I honor him.
respectfully,
Bright
nt
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)K&R
malaise
(269,004 posts)Love him
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I wish everyone would take that stand, everywhere. If the greedy cowards, Cheney et al want to profit from killing people in other countries, let them go do it themselves.
Thanks Ali. He has more courage in his little finger than all the warmongering, cowardly 'leaders' put together.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)On June 20, 1967, Ali was tried, convicted,and sentenced in a Houston court to five years in prison for refusing to serve in the military and was ordered to pay a $10,000 fine for draft evasion. His lawyers then appealed the court's decision, which was denied in May 1968. He returned to boxing in 1970 while his case was on appeal.
The case found its way to the Supreme Court in June 1971, where his conviction was overturned. The high court stated that it was not possible to decide which of the three basic tests for conscientious objector status were used and relied on by the draft board in Ali's case to deny his objecting status.
The Houston MEPS has been processing applicants for the Armed Forces at that Houston site since 1966. To this day, you can still see new recruits leaving the building for recruit training in other cities.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/47-years-ago-today-Muhammad-Ali-refused-the-5435356.php?cmpid=rrneighbor#photo-6228991