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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:47 AM Apr 2014

Sump Pumps are Running In Minnesota - It's Spring!

It looks like April, 2014 is likely to set a record for rainfall amounts in Minnesota, or at least in the Twin Cities. It seems like just yesterday that there was still a couple of feet of snow on the ground here, and now everything is soaked. It rained a couple of inches yesterday, some of it in gully washer amounts during the day.

For those of you living in other parts of the country where basements are a rare thing, you may not know one of the inevitable sounds of Spring. Here, once the snow melts and the April rains start up, the frozen ground, down as much as three or four feet, finally thaws. Basements leak. New basements leak. Old basements leak. All basements eventually leak.

The water pressure on basement walls and floors gets pretty high this time of year, so water, the universal solvent, finds its way through the basement walls and floors, no matter what they're made of. In older homes, built before modern construction techniques and materials were available, water in the basement is almost a given at some times during the year, like April. In newer homes, built from the 1950s onward, basement designs are usually adequate to keep most of the water out, but not all.

Which brings us to the sound of Spring. Most homes have a sump in the basement, designed to give that water someplace to go. French drains outside or some sort of drainage system inside move the water, one drop or trickle at a time, to this sump. And in the sump is a sump pump. It has a float that operates a switch when the water reaches a certain level in the sump. The pump comes on, and pumps that water out of the sump and either sends it to the normal sewer lines or through an outside wall where it ends up on the lawn away from the house. Then it shuts itself off for a while.

The pump hums when it runs. When the sump is empty, a floating ball valve bangs as it stops water from flowing back into the sump from the drain pipe. Hmmm...bump bump. It's the sound of Spring. If your office is in the basement, like mine is, it punctuates the day. Right now, it's running for about 10 seconds, every fifteen minutes. Hmmm...bump bump.

People listen for it. If the house is quiet, you can hear it almost anywhere inside. If they don't hear it, it's time to run down to the basement and see what's going on. Plumbers make a lot of money this time of year, replacing these pumps when they fail. It's a minor emergency when it happens. I have a spare, brand new sump pump, and have the outlet pipe set up so I can replace the pump in less than 10 minutes. So far, I haven't had to do that, but any year now...

Life in the upper Midwest...always listening to hear the sump pump.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
1. Strangely, my 130-year-old basement has never leaked
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:53 AM
Apr 2014

in the 20+ years I've lived here. It wouldn't matter much if it did - there's not much down there - but it's never more than normal basementy-damp in the corners. Maybe it's because I'm on sandy soil.

But it's going to keep raining for the rest of the week, so we'll see if that record holds.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. You're lucky, and it's probably you soil.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:58 AM
Apr 2014

We've not had a sump pump failure, but last year, some leaves clogged the gutters on the back of my house, causing it to overflow, and we got some water in the basement through one of the window wells. Yuck. I had to break out the wet or dry vac.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
8. my grandparents' house is like that
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:16 AM
Apr 2014

It's also over 100 years old. Never a basement leak. They are also in sandy soil, far away from any creeks or rivers and there is no shallow underground water.

Where I live, my house is right on top of a underground stream. My sump pump goes from March-November, every 15-30 min around the clock. It's a brand new house. I already had some slight leakage the first spring melt after it was build because the rough grade wasn't done and the water starting pouring against the foundation instead of being directed away from it. That's fixed and we've had no further problems, not even last summer with intense summer downpours in storms that flooded many other basements. However, I'm always worried about the sump pump giving out. It happened to someone I know in the area, and they ended up with 4 inches of water in the basement. Yikes!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. I think everyone who has a sump pump that runs a lot
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:19 AM
Apr 2014

worries about that. I bought a spare and modified the outlet pipe so I could quickly replace it. Even if you hire a plumber to replace a broken sump pump, it's a good idea to have a spare one that matches your setup so the plumber can quickly install it.

Also, make sure the floor drain in your basement is working. I dump a few gallons of water down mine from time to time, just to make sure it will work, if needed.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
15. I have a humidifier
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

attached to my furnace and it drains into the floor drain, so I'm pretty sure the drain works properly. It does have a back-flow valve in case of sewer back up so that's a bonus. We get so many summer storms that our town was having major problems until they started building retention ponds in the new areas. They also made back-flow valves code for new construction. My sump-pump does empty into the sewer but it has an automatic switch over to pumping it out on the lawn in case of sewer back up.

Sometimes I wonder about if a basement is worth it, and then tornado season rolls around, and I'm like, oh yeah, it is.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
16. Yep. You have to have a basement.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:29 AM
Apr 2014

It doubles the usable space in our house, too, even though it's only partly finished. I don't mind concrete block walls, though. The previous owners, though, carpeted the basement. This summer, I'm pulling all of the carpet up and putting tile down on the floor. Nothing worse than a wet carpet in a basement.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
18. I am grateful for my relatively sandy soil.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:56 AM
Apr 2014

If I amend it with compost, it's great for growing a garden (in addition to not causing a leaky basement). My parents' house was much newer than mine but it was built in an area of clay soil, and they had to trench around the house and install a sump pump that ran almost all the time in wet weather, or their (nicely finished) basement would leak. But my ugly old unfinished basement that I don't use for anything but utilities and storage doesn't leak. There is no justice, I guess.

House of Roberts

(5,174 posts)
2. We had a similar setup to pump the air conditioner condensate.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:55 AM
Apr 2014

In the summer the AC runs and the water drains off the coils, and gets pumped outside. The system was in the basement, in the center of the house.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
6. all basements don't have to leak if they are constructed correctly
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:02 AM
Apr 2014

cheap materials and cheap labor you end up with a cheap job-


Just contact the folks at www.aquasealwaterproofing.com for a free quote TODAY!


MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Yes, well...even well-constructed basements
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:05 AM
Apr 2014

end up leaking eventually. Stuff shifts. Cracks develop. Houses last a long time and change over the years. That fact keeps companies like the one that created that advertising video in business.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
9. Last spring, our sump pump was going off about every 15 seconds for a few days
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:18 AM
Apr 2014

We had tons of rain, and serious flooding - areas in town flooded that have never flooded before (according to the long-time residents).

And you're right - you get very used to hearing the sump pump kick on and off...and get worried when you don't hear it.

On edit: Oh yeah - and if there's a severe storm and power goes out, an electric sump pump stops working, and you can have big problems. We have a water-powered back-up to our sump pump. If power is interrupted, the main water supply to the house runs the sump pump. There are also battery-back-up pumps, but then you need to check the battery periodically to make sure it isn't dead.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. That's a lot of running.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

This time of year, especially during major storms, I've been known to wake up in the middle of the night and listen for the pump before I go back to sleep. A flooded basement isn't something you want to wake up to.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. Yup. My biggest flooding risk is the basement window wells.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

I put leaf guards on my gutters last year. I'm resting easier this year and don't have to climb up and clear the gutters before every storm. A friend of mine just got some basement flooding from a window well. Two leaves had clogged the gutter's outlet opening. Two leaves! The gutters overflowed and the water came in through the window well. Blech!

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
14. We have a walkout that stays remarkably dry; the only real problem we had was during the freak flood
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:26 AM
Apr 2014

two years ago. The septic alarm went off for that one, as well.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
17. The worst flooding we've experienced was caused by
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:51 AM
Apr 2014

a squirrel that went down the main sewer vent on the roof. It crawled into the pipe that drains our laundry sink and connects to the floor drain, which is on a side drain instead of the main drain.

I did a load of laundry. I went into the laundry room and found an inch of water on the floor. It took me hours to clear the drain of that dead squirrel. Damn! I didn't realize that the vent wasn't screened. It is now.

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