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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 04:47 PM Apr 2014

Pearson imposes gag order on teachers about test.

This will probably be one of my last posts about education at DU. Not worth the ugliness it brings out. Quite frankly I want to smile when someone says both the far left and far right are united against Arne Duncan's policies. It is just not true.

The far right is adamantly opposed to the new "reforms", but the left simply doesn't care enough to oppose them. Since the privatization of education has become a Democratic policy, those on the left seldom speak against it. Teachers and parents are getting very outspoken, but liberals in general don't really think it matters. It's really mostly a teacher/parent thing.

But I do think I will call attention to the fact that one of the largest testing companies has put a gag order on teachers.

The Backlash Against New York’s Standardized Tests Is Getting Serious

Last year's exams, designed by Pearson, which has a $32 million contract with the state and were the first to adhere to Common Core requirements, garnered lots of heat for being overly long, riddled with product placement, and including confounding questions that, to many educators, were "inappropriately difficult."

This year, says Schroeter, they're even worse. "Last year, everyone was ready for it to be a fluke. People thought, okay, first year, first time out, it's going to be a mess. And by the time this year rolls around, people thought, 'Oh, they've had time to get it together and make a better assessment," she says. "But it just wasn't. You're skimming through the booklet and going, 'What? Wait a minute.'"

She said her teachers reported that students found the exams "demoralizing" and "frustrating." Rather than evaluating reading comprehension skills, Jenny Bonnet, principal of P.S. 150 in Tribeca says they were "more about having students have to flip back and forth and look at structural things versus having a deep understanding of what the passage is about ... When I first looked at the test, I was just in shock. I was having trouble with my fellow teachers — we sat around and tried to answer some of the questions — and I thought, This is ridiculous. I'm an adult, I should be able to answer these questions. If it's hard for me, these poor kids — they must be incredibly confused."

Principals and their staff can't discuss specifics of the test because they're barred from doing so by a "gag order" — another major concern. Neither teachers nor parents see the results in their entirety. The stakes are higher this year, too, because not only do results determine, in some cases, where kids can apply to middle schools, but they're also linked to school and teacher evaluations. "The level of agitation is growing," says Schroeter. "Not only were the expectations and the standards raised, and the tests made more difficult, the stakes attached to them became higher and higher."


A principal speaks out in the New York Times:

We Need to Talk About the Test

I’d like to tell you what was wrong with the tests my students took last week, but I can’t. Pearson’s $32 million contract with New York State to design the exams prohibits the state from making the tests public and imposes a gag order on educators who administer them. So teachers watched hundreds of thousands of children in grades 3 to 8 sit for between 70 and 180 minutes per day for three days taking a state English Language Arts exam that does a poor job of testing reading comprehension, and yet we’re not allowed to point out what the problems were.

....At Public School 321, we entered this year’s testing period doing everything that we were supposed to do as a school. We limited test prep and kept the focus on great instruction. We reassured families that we would avoid stressing out their children, and we did. But we believed that New York State and Pearson would have listened to the extensive feedback they received last year and revised the tests accordingly. We were not naïve enough to think that the tests would be transformed, but we counted on their being slightly improved. It truly was shocking to look at the exams in third, fourth and fifth grade and to see that they were worse than ever. We felt as if we’d been had.

For two years, I have suggested that the commissioner of education and the members of the Board of Regents actually take the tests — I’d recommend Days 1 and 3 of the third-grade test for starters. Afterward, I would like to hear whether they still believed that these tests gave schools and parents valuable information about a child’s reading or writing ability.

We do not want to become cynics, but until these flawed exams are released to the public and there is true transparency, it will be difficult for teachers and principals to maintain the optimism that is such an essential element of educating children.



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Pearson imposes gag order on teachers about test. (Original Post) madfloridian Apr 2014 OP
The tests merely test for talent at taking tests and nothing more. It's BS. I also don't know how Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #1
With "shaky voice and tears" Missouri teacher testifies about gagging teachers. madfloridian Apr 2014 #2
... progressoid Apr 2014 #7
Please don't stop posting, madfloridian. Baitball Blogger Apr 2014 #3
I second this ^^^ catchnrelease Apr 2014 #9
I third this ^^^ Chiquitita Apr 2014 #15
Damn right! ^^^ DeSwiss Apr 2014 #17
+1000 TeamPooka Apr 2014 #24
^^^^^^^What BB said! Squinch Apr 2014 #27
Don't stop thinking about tomorrow, Bortman33 Apr 2014 #28
+10000 - Madfloridian shone the light on the San Diego Harriet Tubman Principal/Bully AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2014 #36
Guess what. I found a You Tube video about that teacher she bullied. madfloridian Apr 2014 #42
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #52
Couldn't agree more! cyberswede Apr 2014 #64
+100. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #70
^^^^Me too!^^^^ Enthusiast Apr 2014 #71
This! ^^^ CrispyQ Apr 2014 #97
I am not a teacher. I did go to school and take various SheilaT Apr 2014 #4
Very much agreed. And back in the fifties, and through till mid-mineties, truedelphi Apr 2014 #103
too many are making too much $$$ bbgrunt Apr 2014 #5
Rahm Emanuel and Arne Duncan would be a good place to start looking, bvar22 Apr 2014 #22
+1! Thank you, bvar22! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #72
I would really like to know just why liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #102
I had to sign a confidentiality agreement when I worked for Pearson BainsBane Apr 2014 #6
I scored state assessment tests for Pearson for 5 years, too. nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #67
am i the only one who thinks this makes sense? mopinko Apr 2014 #86
The context is completely different here kmlisle Apr 2014 #105
This policy allows flawed questions that are alarming teachers to keep on being used.... madfloridian Apr 2014 #113
Surreptitiously Release Info and Use All Media LarryNM Apr 2014 #8
Why on earth would any state with millions of dollars to offer sign a contract with those clauses? pnwmom Apr 2014 #10
Kick and Rec'd so you won't stop posting here! FloriTexan Apr 2014 #11
These tests are very good at one thing and one thing only... Blue Idaho Apr 2014 #12
This report indicates Pearson's desperate attempt to keep itself profitable and indispensable. ancianita Apr 2014 #13
What our party has done to corporatize education is an embarrassment. progressoid Apr 2014 #14
I agree. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #73
...one of my last posts about education at DU. Piasladic Apr 2014 #16
Yup, I second that... Agony Apr 2014 #18
I third that. Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #31
They who divide, conquer. Octafish Apr 2014 #19
Hey d_r Apr 2014 #20
k&r Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #21
Won't leave, just will write about other stuff. madfloridian Apr 2014 #30
You opened a lot of eyes to San Diego Harriet Tubman Principal/Bully situation AnotherMother4Peace Apr 2014 #37
your input is greatly needed and appreciated on this site bbgrunt Apr 2014 #65
Infiltrated by sock puppets. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #75
Please don't stop posting. We need this info. txwhitedove Apr 2014 #23
I'm wondering if any non-public schools use the same tests? LiberalFighter Apr 2014 #25
Interesting question NobodyHere Apr 2014 #34
In Florida... HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #62
I appreciate all the work you have done on this issue, mad. bvar22 Apr 2014 #26
Woo explained it well. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #77
Exactly!!! BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #96
Pearson is a WMD sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #29
I'm new to teaching, but I can confirm that what you say is true. reformist2 Apr 2014 #35
Please don't stop posting!! Lifelong Protester Apr 2014 #32
Standardized tests are way overrated. We need to trust teachers again to teach their students. reformist2 Apr 2014 #33
^^ This. winter is coming Apr 2014 #50
Yep. I'm at a high school, and everyone is in "prep for the test" mode from now until June. :( reformist2 Apr 2014 #51
It is a nightmare jopacaco Apr 2014 #38
we're paying attention. But just like health care and workplace safety and the environment, Doctor_J Apr 2014 #40
I remember teaching 4th grade when the FCAT reading test started. madfloridian Apr 2014 #41
Well, if someone puts you on ignore and is then PPRed, winter is coming Apr 2014 #48
The billionaires have two huge pies left to steal from the public. SS is still off limits Doctor_J Apr 2014 #39
63 recs, almost 1300 views, and 41 positive responses in less than 4 hrs. PLEASE don't stop! riderinthestorm Apr 2014 #43
I, for one, LWolf Apr 2014 #44
What would happen if ALL of the students decided to select answer "B" to ALL of the questions? CrispyQ Apr 2014 #99
You might be able to get them to do that. LWolf May 2014 #116
You'd have to launch a campaign to raise awareness. CrispyQ May 2014 #117
Don't give up.. sendero Apr 2014 #45
Well, here's one far-leftist that opposes "reforms" that turn kids into robots for the corps. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #46
Thanks. madfloridian Apr 2014 #55
PS 321 Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #47
The Ed Biz controls education. . .and no one cares because business is good! Nanjing to Seoul Apr 2014 #49
I wish you would reconsider. I am more than familiar with many educators in my state, a few are Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #53
Don't stop posting - this leftist supports you. TBF Apr 2014 #54
Here's a passage and questions from their test -- which shows why they needed the gag order. pnwmom Apr 2014 #56
I remember the pineapple fiasco. Guess Pearson wised up after that.... madfloridian Apr 2014 #58
I hope you keep posting on this. It is a big issue for me. pnwmom Apr 2014 #60
Pineapple hare race should be a meme...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #89
A link to show the difference between DKos and DU on education issues. madfloridian Apr 2014 #57
No wonder you're not going to continue to write on this topic. Dramatic difference in reception Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #83
K&R'd. I have to say, the level of disinterest in this issue has been mind-boggling, snot Apr 2014 #59
I think you are right. madfloridian Apr 2014 #63
Please keep posting. greatlaurel Apr 2014 #61
Someone should leak. nt tblue37 Apr 2014 #66
What's the punishment if they talk about it? joshcryer Apr 2014 #68
That is what I was wondering as well davidpdx Apr 2014 #69
We value your insight on education reform. K&R! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #74
How does a private corporation impose a gag order? Scuba Apr 2014 #76
Please keep posting! Nt abelenkpe Apr 2014 #78
I found errors in the PA Biology Keystone test perdita9 Apr 2014 #79
Please don't let this go malokvale77 Apr 2014 #80
I frequently disagree with you... Blanks Apr 2014 #81
"It doesn't hurt anything for people to get a little ugly with one another" madfloridian Apr 2014 #82
I agree nobody 'needs' to get ugly... Blanks Apr 2014 #85
I am one of many who find your posts to be of great value, madflo... truth2power Apr 2014 #84
Please don't stop posting about alsame Apr 2014 #87
"Gag order." It seems to me I see a lot of those lately. malthaussen Apr 2014 #88
AFT reps at London HQ of Pearson protesting gag order. madfloridian Apr 2014 #90
Why would anybody in their right mind be a teacher? Brigid Apr 2014 #91
What a scam this all is. NCLB on steroids now. Education for profit. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #92
A couple of comments about Pearson and testing. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #93
Not when they are dealing with our children. They must be transparent. madfloridian Apr 2014 #94
There's a simple fix. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #95
Madfloridian, It is so wonderful that you have taken the time and the truedelphi Apr 2014 #98
Keep posting, please, but don't think you speak for all teachers Android3.14 Apr 2014 #100
I admit bias in favor of the students' needs. Lacking in critical analysis? No, it isn't. madfloridian Apr 2014 #106
Interesting. I have the same bias in favor of student's needs Android3.14 Apr 2014 #107
Oh, hell, I don't believe in research or facts. madfloridian Apr 2014 #108
It's a discussion if I have an impact on your viewpoint Android3.14 Apr 2014 #110
You don't get it. madfloridian Apr 2014 #111
"if my arguments make you appear uninformed, then perhaps you should examine that." madfloridian Apr 2014 #112
If we have to have these standardized tests, make the damn politicians take them! truedelphi Apr 2014 #101
Stay up playa and don't let the big mouthed scallywags beat you down. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #104
Arne calls policy criticism..."lots of drama, lots of noise." madfloridian Apr 2014 #109
I've been passing on links to your education posts here since '06. Mc Mike Apr 2014 #114
don't let the bastids get ya down. KG Apr 2014 #115

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
1. The tests merely test for talent at taking tests and nothing more. It's BS. I also don't know how
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:21 PM
Apr 2014

make people see the reality of how Republican ideology has screwed with education and ruined it. It's as if the entire population had been turned into Stepford Wives and Husbands and are following the dictates of the a-hs that came up with ways to destroy education in this country, something they've been at for decades.

I'm very frustrated with the population of adults, and often find that they are more ignorant than any kids.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
2. With "shaky voice and tears" Missouri teacher testifies about gagging teachers.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:22 PM
Apr 2014
VIDEO: Missouri Kindergarten Teacher Testifies on Common Core Gag Order

Susan Kimball, a kindergarten teacher, testified in a Missouri hearing against Common Core. With a shaky voice and tears in her eyes, Kimball described how she was being bullied by her administrators not to say anything negative.

“I have been strongly discouraged from saying anything negative about Common Core by my administration and some school board members,” Kimball said, her voice shaking.

Kimball described different instances where she, and others, were warned about speaking out.

“In a professional development meeting, um, in-service in November, and at a faculty meeting in January, we were told in my building, and I quote, ‘Be careful about what you post on Facebook, or talk about in the public regarding Common Core. Don’t say anything negative. It could affect your job.’

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
9. I second this ^^^
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:05 PM
Apr 2014

I know it has to be frustrating to deal with some of the responses you get here, but please know that your input is appreciated.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. Damn right! ^^^
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:40 PM
Apr 2014

I know you're surprised but while I don't always agree with the past practices, I sure as hell DISAGREE STRONGLY with these asshats. Starting from the TOP.

- Just remember: ''The fish stinks from the head.''

K&R

 

Bortman33

(102 posts)
28. Don't stop thinking about tomorrow,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:14 PM
Apr 2014

because there are a great many of us behind you and all who challenge the BS privatizing of the public school system.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,246 posts)
36. +10000 - Madfloridian shone the light on the San Diego Harriet Tubman Principal/Bully
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:46 PM
Apr 2014

situation. I've been paying attention to it since, and it looks like this Principal/Bully is finally having to be accountable to the Board and community. I believe the posting of that situation really helped shine a bright light on that sad situation.

Madfloridian there is a reason why you are held in such high esteem here on DU - because you are a great truth teller. I can see the frustration, but you are making a difference.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
42. Guess what. I found a You Tube video about that teacher she bullied.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:28 PM
Apr 2014

It shows the video, but to watch it you have to choose view on You Tube at bottom right.



That principal needs to go.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
97. This! ^^^
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:41 PM
Apr 2014

I always read your posts, Mad, & learn what a travesty our public school system has been turned into so corporations can profit.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
4. I am not a teacher. I did go to school and take various
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:45 PM
Apr 2014

standardized tests. So did my two sons.

I've been saying for several years that new tests are not needed. There have been good tests out there since at least the 1950's when I was in grade school to asses how kids are doing.

Or, how about everyone has to take the GED to graduate high school? That's the base line, and I gather it's not terribly easy, so it's probably a good baseline. Students who take more course work than covered by the GED and are going off to college are taking things like the SATs, the ACT, and perhaps AP tests. All of those are already in place. We don't need all this bullshit of new expensive gag-order protected crappy tests.

It's also important to keep in mind that when No Child Left Behind first came about, the set up was that every school had to keep on improving every year, no matter where they started from. I'm thinking the general prediction was that by 2014 pretty much every single school in this country would be a failing school.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
103. Very much agreed. And back in the fifties, and through till mid-mineties,
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:56 PM
Apr 2014

students had schools that offered art and music programs. I find it obscene that the schools have some 32 millions of dollars to enrich the Testing Companies, and no monies to enrich the arts.

Of course, the art programs really help us conceive in a coherent and creative way. The wiring of a child's brain when that child has exposure to music and the arts is totally different than that of a child deprived of those things. This is all something that those in charge of running a Totalitarian State do not want or need to have happen. In fact, they need the exact opposite.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
5. too many are making too much $$$
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:49 PM
Apr 2014

We know about the Bush involvement. We need to know who is getting the big $ on the dem side.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
22. Rahm Emanuel and Arne Duncan would be a good place to start looking,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:59 PM
Apr 2014

both appointed by President Obama,
and both are fanatics about privatizing our Public Education system,
and channeling all those Tax Payer Dollars to the Private pockets of the well connected.

liberalhistorian

(20,818 posts)
102. I would really like to know just why
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:53 PM
Apr 2014

Duncan was appointed in the first place. The man has no education degree, has never set foot in a k-12 classroom as a teacher, has no experience in it; in short, he knows very little about it. Oh, wait, I forgot, his mother was a teacher, so I guess that makes him "qualified". My parents were both teachers, so I suppose that means I can apply for the position after him? God knows I probably know more about k-12 education, teaching, and what teachers deal with than he does and will ever know. This corporatizing motherfucker is an insult to my parents, who gave their lives to the profession and it damn near killed both of them to do it, and all other dedicated, hard-working, underpaid, under-appreciated, frustrated teachers.

I just am floored that he was even considered, let alone named. It would be like naming me, with just a BA in history and no formal medical knowledge or experience whatsoever, as the head of the National Institutes of Health or something like that. Gah.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
6. I had to sign a confidentiality agreement when I worked for Pearson
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 05:53 PM
Apr 2014

scoring no child left behind tests, and it's not like I had access to student names or even the names of schools. They don't like the public to know how they do things.

mopinko

(70,113 posts)
86. am i the only one who thinks this makes sense?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:57 AM
Apr 2014

i mean, do you get to blab about what is on the act if you are the one administering it?

and pearson is a big company. i have taken industrial proficiency tests with them. i would want to kill if i found out they had a leaker on staff. so would adobe.
policy seems sound to me.

kmlisle

(276 posts)
105. The context is completely different here
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:22 PM
Apr 2014

You have trained and experienced professionals being gagged about a newly developed product in their field of expertise which is worth billions of dollars because of its scale and taxpayers money available. They are deliberately being kept out of the process of making this a fair and valid test for financial and political reasons.

Would you want your industrial proficiency test developed under conditions in which no one with knowledge of your industry participated or were allowed to help improve the test to make it fair and valid? And if the reason they were doing this was to show that the staff of your organization were incompetent and could all be fired when their partners take over the firm and drain its resources a la vulture capitalism?

You are absolutely right that there needs to be testing security, but first tests must also be valid and fair and their purpose should be to help in the process of public education - not to set a false pretext for destroying it.

And thank you Mad for posting - I hope you will continue as you offer a valuable point of view.

From another Florida Teacher, National Board certified in science, and fed up with Pearson Tests. Testing in our local schools was delayed this month because of repeated computer glitches, further stealing time when our children could get an education instead of bubbling in test answers for the fiftieth time this year.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
113. This policy allows flawed questions that are alarming teachers to keep on being used....
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 01:21 AM
Apr 2014

because the teachers are gagged about speaking about them. I think before it's over there will be some leaking of some of the problems. And then of course teacher heads will roll. It will probably never be Pearson's fault.

Your point that tests must be valid needs to be emphasized. A secretive test which gags teachers and principals can not be considered valid.

LarryNM

(493 posts)
8. Surreptitiously Release Info and Use All Media
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:05 PM
Apr 2014

When the System is this Corrupt it Must be done. If the Supreme Court does not recognize this as free speech - Tough.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
10. Why on earth would any state with millions of dollars to offer sign a contract with those clauses?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:06 PM
Apr 2014

No testing company deserves to sell a single test that places the purchaser under a gag order.

FloriTexan

(838 posts)
11. Kick and Rec'd so you won't stop posting here!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:12 PM
Apr 2014

The fact that they cause dissent is exactly why you should not stop.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
12. These tests are very good at one thing and one thing only...
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:14 PM
Apr 2014

Draining millions of dollars out of locally controlled public education and into private for-profit corporations.

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
13. This report indicates Pearson's desperate attempt to keep itself profitable and indispensable.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:15 PM
Apr 2014
...I also have questions about whether a financially desperate Pearson may be creating demand for its products by making tests more difficult to deflate student performance. One of the reasons for the big push for Common Core and high-stakes standardized testing in the United States is supposed poor student performance on international tests like PISA (Programme for International Student Assessment) and TIMSS (Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study). Pearson designs, creates, and sells Common Core aligned tests and curriculum in the United States and will be developing the frameworks for the OECD's landmark PISA educational assessment in 2015.

In a sense, the worse students do on these tests, the more desperate families become, the more politicians promote miracle solutions, and the more money Pearson will make.

So, is Pearson Education in serious financial trouble? We can only hope so!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-singer/is-pearson-education-in-s_b_5212784.html?utm_hp_ref=education&ir=Education

Pearson cannot legally define ethics or teacher 'termination' policies for any school district in this country; it cannot imply that teachers' jobs are at risk if they say anything at all about testing. Pearson has subverted teaching and learning excellence in its aggressive overreach of teachers' classroom speech. In fact, Pearson should be taken to court in a class action suit that charges it has overstepped its authority, IF ANY, in their school districts. The climate of testing fear is one that Pearson has created, not the teachers.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
14. What our party has done to corporatize education is an embarrassment.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

I think most people don't even understand what is going on.

We need more voices, not less Madfloridian! Don't stay quiet!

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
16. ...one of my last posts about education at DU.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:33 PM
Apr 2014

Please no. I don't write much, but I always learn so much from your posts. Please keep writing and posting.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. They who divide, conquer.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:43 PM
Apr 2014

Don't stop, madfloridian. It's not you. DU's infiltrated with, uh, pro-management types.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
20. Hey
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:48 PM
Apr 2014

I'm a liberal and I think it matters.
"The level of agitation is growing,"

A lot of people just haven't figured it out yet. The more you learn.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,246 posts)
37. You opened a lot of eyes to San Diego Harriet Tubman Principal/Bully situation
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:05 PM
Apr 2014

Principal Scinski has doubled down with her letter sent home to parents to "debunk" all this bad publicity - which is not helping her situation.

I think you are a great asset to DU and to public education.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
65. your input is greatly needed and appreciated on this site
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:59 AM
Apr 2014

as stated previously, DU has been infiltrated. The only way to stop them is to not give up.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
25. I'm wondering if any non-public schools use the same tests?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:12 PM
Apr 2014

Or if the tests are much easier with the intent of making public schools look worse than what they are?

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
34. Interesting question
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:39 PM
Apr 2014

I went to a Catholic k-8 school in the 90s and the only tests I remember taking were the Iowa Tests which were given to us I think every even grade level.

However I think that was before the testing craze began.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
62. In Florida...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:59 AM
Apr 2014

Private schools/students are exempt from taking FCAT, even at the schools receiving tax dollars through vouchers. Privatizing public education is just a scam to line the pockets of the politically connected.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
26. I appreciate all the work you have done on this issue, mad.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:12 PM
Apr 2014

I understand if you need a break.

Most of the ugliness comes from just a handful.
If you leave,...they win.

Woo explains it:


The goal is not to convince anyone of anything.

It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.

It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.

The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points.

woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801




BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
96. Exactly!!!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:38 PM
Apr 2014

Any thread that even hints at moving away from neoliberal policy is instantly swarmed & derailed. All the energy is taken up arguing with socks and emoticons. Thread and ideas go nowhere. Names get hurled like "far-left" and "fringe left" to dismiss anything but lockstep approval. It's such an obvious tactic that I'm surprised they continue to be successful.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
29. Pearson is a WMD
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:18 PM
Apr 2014

being used by Wall Street and the political class to destroy public education. At the end of this school year we will have spent 22 of 39 weeks administering standardized tests created by Pearson. It's reached the point where we spend the majority of our time testing kids on content we haven't been able to teach them because we're always testing them on it. The most vulnerable victims of this Kafkaesque nightmare are students with special needs, who keep taking and failing the same test over and over.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
35. I'm new to teaching, but I can confirm that what you say is true.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:42 PM
Apr 2014

I am dismayed at how much time is devoted to teaching students exactly what they need to pass these tests,
which I think are deliberately made overly broad so that they can claim students are learning about every single topic
imaginable - but there's no time to go in depth on anything. And very little freedom for the teacher to do what he/she wants.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
32. Please don't stop posting!!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:31 PM
Apr 2014

The only thing in league with these tests, is the 'educator effectiveness' program, bought into by our state. When I first started hearing about it, the cost for a teacher site license for "Teachscape" was $20. Now I hear it is $80. Since September. So we know someone is getting rich....

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
50. ^^ This.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:43 PM
Apr 2014


My kid learns a lot of new material during the fall, but very little during the spring because of the $&^#! testing. She has testing every frigging morning next week, and it's far from being the first or last "test day" she's had since January.

jopacaco

(133 posts)
38. It is a nightmare
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:35 PM
Apr 2014

My students have just gone through the torture of the field test. I walked around as students were testing and could only think that this was a conspiracy to make public schools look bad. The questions were extremely difficult and written in language that confused students. Tech support was useless after an hour on hold.
More and more time is being devoted to testing and preparing for testing. Social Studies is fading quickly into the background. I don't think that this is by accident.
I hold both Arne Duncan and President Obama (and any other Democrats who are going along with this) as responsible as the Bush administration. Liberals really need to pay attention before it is too late.
Please keep posting on education issues. We need voices like yours.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
40. we're paying attention. But just like health care and workplace safety and the environment,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:49 PM
Apr 2014

the administration sides with the billionaires and the Republicans over us. there is nothing much we can do about it

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
41. I remember teaching 4th grade when the FCAT reading test started.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:05 PM
Apr 2014

I am considered an intelligent, well-educated person....but there were too many confusing questions I could not answer. The questions could be taken several different ways, there was no one right answer that made sense. I even had 4th grade boys, big guys, shedding some tear because it didn't make sense.

It was awful. There are many others here who can post better than I can, and there won't be as many attacks on them. When I joined here from DU2 after being out almost a year, there were already 16 who had me on ignore. And I hadn't even posted.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
39. The billionaires have two huge pies left to steal from the public. SS is still off limits
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:46 PM
Apr 2014

I think one of the president's goals over his last two years is to sell the entire enchilada - around a half trillion dollars is the annual public school outlay. That's the same windfall they got through the Heritage Care scam.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
43. 63 recs, almost 1300 views, and 41 positive responses in less than 4 hrs. PLEASE don't stop!
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:29 PM
Apr 2014

You are one of DU's treasures. Someone who actually gives solid information and data.

DU has kind of sucked lately but you are one of the "good ones" I look for when I finally get on DU.



Keep the faith. You have a lot of support here. More than you know obviously.


LWolf

(46,179 posts)
44. I, for one,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:29 PM
Apr 2014

highly value your OPs. I hope this isn't the last.

I had an interesting conversation about reliability and validity of standardized tests with middle school students today. We didn't talk about THEIR test...that would get me called on the carpet, to say the least. I gave them an example of a test from a different state, for elementary students, and asked them to discuss whether or not the results from that test are valid. They were shocked.

They are also quite comfortable with expressing how sick of testing and test scores they've become.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
99. What would happen if ALL of the students decided to select answer "B" to ALL of the questions?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

Of course, you could never get all of them to do that, but it would be interesting.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
116. You might be able to get them to do that.
Thu May 1, 2014, 08:13 AM
May 2014

More and more parents, and older students, are opting out and protesting the tests in different ways. If you can convince them, though, it needs to be a large number who go public about it. Otherwise, what will happen will be that their teacher will be evaluated as below "proficient," in whatever terms or system that district has set up.

If it's large scale and public, the teacher will still receive a below proficient evaluation, but will have something to take to the table to fight that evaluation.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
117. You'd have to launch a campaign to raise awareness.
Thu May 1, 2014, 09:46 AM
May 2014

Join the "A" Team as a Form of
Protest Against
Testing as a Replacement for Teaching!

Joining is simple. Just select "A" for all your test answers.



As a kid, I would have done it, but I knew a lot of kids who wouldn't.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
45. Don't give up..
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:33 PM
Apr 2014

.... those of us paying attention know that the malefactors are trying to blame societal problems on "education" and teachers. Folks paying attention have noticed that their solution, namely "charter schools", perform no better than public education did and often worse. But there is money to be made in privatizing education so it is full steam ahead for these lowlifes.

We appreciate what you have done to keep this issue on our minds.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
46. Well, here's one far-leftist that opposes "reforms" that turn kids into robots for the corps.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:35 PM
Apr 2014

Keep up the good work, my friend.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
47. PS 321
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

is our district. Great school, and the principal and teachers have been on top of this in local community meetings et al. (Our 3 year old is too young to attend, and we are going Montessori next year. Primarily because of testing.)

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
53. I wish you would reconsider. I am more than familiar with many educators in my state, a few are
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:07 PM
Apr 2014

leaving, retiring early. They are frustrated and disgusted, the obstacles are mounting to the point
they can't see the value in continuing what they always loved doing, teaching.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
54. Don't stop posting - this leftist supports you.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 10:38 PM
Apr 2014

It makes me uncomfortable to support our local teabagger superintendent when he comes out against Pearson, but damn it someone has to speak up.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
56. Here's a passage and questions from their test -- which shows why they needed the gag order.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:36 PM
Apr 2014

An eighth grade passage and questions can be found here. Also, an interview with Daniel Pinkwater, the original author whose work was used and abused for the test.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024882449


http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/talking-pineapple-question-state-exam-stumps-article-1.1064657#ixzz1sbJW0O3r

In response to revelations that the state exams had become predictable and easier to pass, the state last year awarded a new $32 million contract to testing company Pearson to overhaul the tests.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
58. I remember the pineapple fiasco. Guess Pearson wised up after that....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:55 PM
Apr 2014

and decided a gag order was needed. So since they have the power, they imposed one. And not a damn word from a single Democratic leader.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
60. I hope you keep posting on this. It is a big issue for me.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:02 AM
Apr 2014

I eventually turned to private schools because I was SO frustrated, but I'm still an active supporter of public schools in my area.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
57. A link to show the difference between DKos and DU on education issues.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:45 PM
Apr 2014

I often post at DKos as floridagal. For a while now the reception is different when education issues are posted.

This post is a good example. My point is that this is how it should be. Twitter is also a very supportive place for teachers who oppose the new reforms and see them for what they are.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/27/1294954/-President-Obama-Throws-Teachers-Under-The-Train?detail=email

The recommends go on and on forever. at last count 336.

My post here on the same topic, just a less colorful title....got all of 5 recs.

Posting for me is not about recommends. It is about calling attention to important issues. However it is impossible not to notice such a vast difference.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
83. No wonder you're not going to continue to write on this topic. Dramatic difference in reception
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014

at DU.

It is your choice to end posting on education here and understandable, but consider this, your
OP's may change enough minds that DU members may demand better. The Education group
does not get as much attention as they deserve, unfortunately.

Arnie Duncan receives too much quiet support here, imho.

snot

(10,529 posts)
59. K&R'd. I have to say, the level of disinterest in this issue has been mind-boggling,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:57 PM
Apr 2014

not to mention tragic.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
61. Please keep posting.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:39 AM
Apr 2014

You do a great job keeping us informed on this. This is a really big issue and the Democratic Party had better wake up and stand with parents, kids and teachers. This is a huge issue that the villagers have decided to ignore, because all their kids go to private schools. Revolts are happening all over the US over this.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
68. What's the punishment if they talk about it?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:39 AM
Apr 2014

Can't they release it anonymously?

It is criminal that the materials, all of them, are not government copyrighted.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
69. That is what I was wondering as well
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 03:45 AM
Apr 2014

I have never worked with a publisher directly, but worked for a company that published their own "in house" materials.

The state and Pearson could come to an agreement that a pool of teachers are chosen and paid to review the tests, then provide feedback. The problem is Pearson isn't using the feedback.

How can they really control that many copies of a test without one getting either leaked or copied? I mean with cell phone camera's aren't perfect, but someone with a steady hand could take enough pictures to reproduce a test if they had around 10 minutes (or 5 minutes with a scanner for that matter).

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
74. We value your insight on education reform. K&R!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:21 AM
Apr 2014

I understand the ugliness is unpleasant. Unfortunately, sometimes we must have ugliness.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
76. How does a private corporation impose a gag order?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:25 AM
Apr 2014

If I incorporate, can I impose a gag order on those with whom I disagree?

perdita9

(1,144 posts)
79. I found errors in the PA Biology Keystone test
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:06 AM
Apr 2014

My son came home with 'sample' questions from previous exams. As a college instructor, I found many of them poorly written as if the test designer only had a nodding acquaintance with certain terms (i.e. protein, enzymes, nucleic acid) and several flat out errors in others.

I contacted the head of the bio department and she admitted there was a problem but the test is a state construct. Teachers have no control.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
81. I frequently disagree with you...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:27 AM
Apr 2014

And in this case, I disagree with you.

I hope you continue to post about education here at DU. I typically read at least the OP in your threads and while I don't see things the same way you do, it gives those of us who don't agree with your position some insight into the direction the system is going.

It doesn't hurt anything for people to get a little ugly with one another - it just shows that they are passionate about the issue.

It's an issue we should be passionate about.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
82. "It doesn't hurt anything for people to get a little ugly with one another"
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:13 AM
Apr 2014

Yes, I think it does. There is no need for it at all.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
85. I agree nobody 'needs' to get ugly...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:55 AM
Apr 2014

But if people are passionate about an issue and they disagree - it shouldn't surprise us when they are unpleasant toward one another.

Of course - it's up to you whether you continue to post education issues here. I just thought I'd weigh in and tell you that I think it should be done even if people get ugly.

They'll likely find something else to get ugly about if you stop. Some folks just get ugly - it's how they're made. I don't have anyone in particular in mind, and I haven't been in an 'education' discussion in a while, so I don't know if there is something specific that has upset you, but it's only words.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
84. I am one of many who find your posts to be of great value, madflo...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:34 AM
Apr 2014

I understand how frustrating it must be to rally Democrats against this testing mania.

This is what comes of pledging undying loyalty to any policy favored by Pres. Obama. As long as it's supported by Dems it must be ok. Or so one would think. Problem is, Arne Duncan has shown by his actions that he doesn't have a clue anything om the education field. Time for Democrats to clean up the rotten wood.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
87. Please don't stop posting about
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:32 PM
Apr 2014

education. I rarely comment on these threads, but I assure you I read them all. You are a very valuable resource on the topic and we need you and your threads.

malthaussen

(17,200 posts)
88. "Gag order." It seems to me I see a lot of those lately.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

Funny, that. "The evil-doer doth fear the light."

-- Mal

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
93. A couple of comments about Pearson and testing.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:18 PM
Apr 2014

First, they're the 800 lb gorilla of testing. They don't just do grade school, high school or pre-college testing, they also do all sorts of professional licensing testing. And as far as I know, they 'gag' on everything. In a sense, it's understandable - any question that gets leaked out is one they have to replace. and in the old days, that also probably meant reprinting all sorts of already made of paper tests. Probably still does in many cases, since you can't just print off tests for the entire country in a super short period of time. But people signing multi-million dollar contracts should have some recourse when dealing with what has almost become a testing monopoly.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
94. Not when they are dealing with our children. They must be transparent.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:27 PM
Apr 2014

We who were/are teachers have seen the problems in real life. Others who think in business terms like you are doing in your post see things differently.

You are looking at the company's rights and needs. I am looking at the students' rights and needs.

That is what should come first.

The test items are apparently quite atrocious, and the teachers are being prevented from openly speaking out.

When I taught we always honored the loyalty code never to share test items we saw during testing. Things are different now. Then the testing evaluated where students were and how we could better help them. NOW the testing is used to hire and fire teachers who have no recourse.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
95. There's a simple fix.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014

Don't contract out testing to the private sector. If the DoE wants to require national tests, than the DoE needs to actually be in charge of creating the tests and dealing with concerns raised. Then you don't have the same 'business' concerns to deal with.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
98. Madfloridian, It is so wonderful that you have taken the time and the
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 02:43 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:41 PM - Edit history (1)

energy to put up these posts. IThey have been an education fo rme.

Please do not quit.

As far as the mis-logic in telling us progressives that we are bad people for being united on an issue with regards to finding RW'ers who also support some issue, that is just what it is. It is a misapplication of logic. We often need unity. For instance: Citizens in California would be drinking water tainted with MTBE if not for the ability of those on both sides to unite and fight it being in our gasoline.

Stalwart RW'ers believe in gravity, in the sun rising in the east, and often in believe in ending loathsome pesticide spraying across the roadsides and the school yards, etc.

Often, it is only by uniting with people from the other side that we get anything accomplished (Especially given how the Democratic leadership has put in place a plague of dim witted Blue Dawgies, that are often less tolerable to me than decent old fashioned Republicans.)

In any event, I sure did not see the Democratic leadership opposed to the many RW'ers who voted for Obama in 2008, hoping that he really would be bringing the USA some hope and change.

If not for the people who are not total loyalists to either party, in 2008, Obama would not have claimed the WH without a bitter fight. Had Obama used the early months of 2009 to offer up a honorable and sensible move away from Bailouts costing trillions to us in order to benefit the Big Financial Firms, those financially-motivated RW'ers would still be in his camp.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
100. Keep posting, please, but don't think you speak for all teachers
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:32 PM
Apr 2014

I taught for ten years before I finally left the industry (but not the craft) in disgust. I still teach a course at the local state college on occasion.
I share your sense that CC has problems, but it is no worse than what we have (which is deplorable), and it may improve into something better. While it is important for you to post your dismay, I've found much of your material to be one-sided, formed from biased reading and lacking in critical analysis. My mother, who is a leader in the Texas Retired Teachers Association, is also wary of CC, but she recognizes that a national curriculum is the first step to real reform.
Having a national curriculum is a key element to effective public education. Countless studies show this.
And sure, some teachers are unhappy about a change. This is a surprise?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
106. I admit bias in favor of the students' needs. Lacking in critical analysis? No, it isn't.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:38 PM
Apr 2014

You are attributing things to me I never said or thought. I won't bother to back track and repost all the stuff I have written...wouldn't do any good anyway.

What I do see is that you are trying to discredit me, a voice of opposition to the corporate hostile takeover of public education....with the help of Democrats.

Not opposed to a shared curriculum, opposed to a Bill Gates funded curriculum.

That's the usual thing here now, be sure to attack the ones who might make a difference and accuse them of bias and uninformed posting.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
107. Interesting. I have the same bias in favor of student's needs
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:22 PM
Apr 2014

Lucky for me, I sharpen my bias with experience and research. Research shows that the absence of a national curriculum is one of the key contributors to our education woes.
As far as the corporate takeover of public education, that happened years and years ago. Hence many of our current problems. However, there is a profound lack of data showing that when corporations provide testing and educational materials, in and of itself, it harms students.
Where do you think those textbooks came from 100 years ago?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
108. Oh, hell, I don't believe in research or facts.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:33 PM
Apr 2014

That is exactly why I won't be posting education stuff here. It's ridiculous statements like that which I am talking about. Just trying to make me sound uninformed. That is exactly what you are doing. If I respond to you point by point, you will go on to another way of making me look bad. That is what passes for discussion?

BTW the subject line is sarcasm.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
110. It's a discussion if I have an impact on your viewpoint
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:30 PM
Apr 2014

Or you change mine. The thing is, if my arguments make you appear uninformed, then perhaps you should examine that.
BTW, that last sentence was not sarcasm.
You made some sweeping statements about teacher's opinions of CC, the problems with CC, and the awful ickiness of CC because a company managed to land the government contract to print and grade the tests.
The biggest weakness with these types of forums is that people post strong opinions with the apparent hope that readers will simply load on the compliments and throw in the progressive cognate of a "Praise Jeezus" at a tent revival.
Whereas other folks, such as myself, see the forums as a crucible in which one can test ideas and opinions to see if they hold up under scrutiny and attack.
I've changed my opinion on many things, because someone handed my hat back to me on a rhetorical platter. There's no shame in it, and there's no rancor.
CC will probably be no worse than any other reform that has come along. I dealt with at least three reforms while teaching, from NCLB, to Proficiency Based Learning to schoolwide IEPs to Affirmative Discipline to whatever.
Criminy, when I was teaching in Laredo, they had this idea that the best way to get the poor kids to learn was to pack up teachers into buses, drive 40 miles out to the desert colonias (sprawling cheap housing complexes for poor folks, 99.9 percent Hispanic) and stare dumbly at parents unable to speak a lick of English while I would mouth platitudes in broken Spanish (Su mojito es trabajar de casa muy mucho or something or other). This was when I was a brand new teacher and full of change-the-world confidence. Guess what? The kids that learned, learned. The kids that didn't learn, still didn't learn. But we passed them anyway.
Anyway, it sounds like you are down in the dumps, and maybe we can come at this again some other time when you have the energy.
Take care.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
111. You don't get it.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:05 PM
Apr 2014

It is the teachers and parents who are pushing these protests against common core and high-stakes testing. People need to listen to them.

I am retired. I am more a voice for others than for myself.

As for Common Core....it is Bill Gates' baby. He funded it, he pushed it, he got it. Arne Duncan is distancing himself from it now....which is really strange. Maybe he gets it more than we think.

I am not one for sweeping statements.

The fact that you are trying to make me sound unqualified and careless in my posts is reinforcing what I just posted. It is not worth it to post here on that topic anymore.

Teachers with years of experience and knowledge are talked down to and treated as inferior here all the time.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
101. If we have to have these standardized tests, make the damn politicians take them!
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:43 PM
Apr 2014

If they don't get a passing grade, then they need to throw half their campaign contributions into a HeadStart program in their area, or other worthwhile educational cause.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
104. Stay up playa and don't let the big mouthed scallywags beat you down.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 05:14 PM
Apr 2014

Your service here is deeply appreciated.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
109. Arne calls policy criticism..."lots of drama, lots of noise."
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:48 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/04/18/arne-duncan-dismisses-critics-lots-of-drama-lots-of-noise/

Education Secretary Arne Duncan went to New York recently and introduced state Education Commissioner John King at a function at New York University, calling him “a remarkable leader” and “as smart and as thoughtful as anyone working in this space.” As for the growing number of critics of King’s education reforms, Duncan dismissed the movement as “lots of drama, lots of noise” on which the media likes to focus. He could have been referring to the tens of thousands of parents opting their children out of Common Core-aligned standardized tests, or the nearly 3,000-delegate body of the New York State United Teachers, which earlier this month overwhelming approved a resolution calling for King to resign, or anybody else who doesn’t agree with him and King.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
114. I've been passing on links to your education posts here since '06.
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:32 AM
Apr 2014

All I can say is 'Thank you for all your hard work for public education, mad.'

The ugliness you've endured in response to your posts doesn't come from disagreements between post-ers who are equally informed about the issues here, it comes as a response to the threat your information poses to the agenda of super rich creeps who want the American public dopey and disinformed.

Your handle attached to any o.p. here will still make it an automatic read for me, regardless of the subject.

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