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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 06:53 PM Apr 2014

The NRA is a pro gun group only and not political.......

Here are a few of this weeks speakers....

Rick Santorum
Mitch McConnell
Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Bobby Jindal
Lt. Col. Oliver North
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin

Remember, the NRA has nothing to do with politics!

Also Rev. Franklin Graham, the keynote speaker at Sunday’s prayer breakfast, said....

“There’s been an ad circulating asking me to call on the NRA to support universal background checks. I want you to know that God has already done a universal background check on every one of us. He created you and knows everything about you. Nothing is hidden from His eyes.”

So I feel better knowing that God will be doing background checks now on gun purchasers. I assume God has also weeded out all the rapists and murderers, so stop worrying about them!




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The NRA is a pro gun group only and not political....... (Original Post) Logical Apr 2014 OP
The most powerful Dem politician in Rhode Island hack89 Apr 2014 #1
Hmmmm.....I missed them on the list of speakers. I will look again. nt Logical Apr 2014 #2
But you agree they endorse Dems, right? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #4
I agree their NRA score card supports some dems based on their voting record. . Logical Apr 2014 #5
They support pro gun incumbents hack89 Apr 2014 #9
and why, I guess G_j Apr 2014 #10
Because he won't keep Feinstein quiet hack89 Apr 2014 #11
I doubt he wonders why the NRA opposes him. IveWornAHundredPants Apr 2014 #13
The thing, beside supporting an AWB, Obama has been good for gun owners hack89 Apr 2014 #14
LOL, then why does the NRA rip him constantly? nt Logical Apr 2014 #17
Because he supported Feinstein and attacked the NRA hack89 Apr 2014 #19
Umm, the NRA was 100% anti-Obama way before Sandy Hook and the aftermath. DanTex Apr 2014 #32
Ok. Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #33
and you are aware of the ridiculous misinformation (lies) they actively G_j Apr 2014 #45
Yes, I am aware hack89 Apr 2014 #46
LOL, so you think they are bi-partisan and not a right wing group? nt Logical Apr 2014 #15
So why did they give the liberal Dem speaker of the RI house an A+ rating hack89 Apr 2014 #16
They have to rank them based on their voting record or lose all credibility...... Logical Apr 2014 #18
So pro-gun incumbents are supported regardless of party hack89 Apr 2014 #20
LOL, not a shock. You dont care that they rip GREAT dems over one issue? How can you honestly.... Logical Apr 2014 #21
You just can't admit that will support pro-gay liberals hack89 Apr 2014 #24
LOL, we know your deal. "I don't care what they say at their convention"! Same with the GOP conv? Logical Apr 2014 #25
Now you are being silly. hack89 Apr 2014 #26
The NRA is anti Obama and anti all DEMs that are not pro gun.....So your logic means..... Logical Apr 2014 #27
Of course not hack89 Apr 2014 #28
Now you are flat out lying..... Logical Apr 2014 #30
Give it a rest - you are trying too hard to be outraged hack89 Apr 2014 #31
And the pro-science crowd too... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #48
I certainly support more research money for the CDC hack89 Apr 2014 #49
+100 billh58 Apr 2014 #42
They endorse based on gun record yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #51
Not many. The millions they spent on their "Defeat Obama, Defend Freedom" campaign, Hoyt Apr 2014 #7
Give up. When he supports the NRA because they support Dems sometimes then you know his story. nt Logical Apr 2014 #22
ask Brian Schweitzer about that dsc Apr 2014 #47
My sentaors Stabenaw and Levin received F ratings from the NRA etherealtruth Apr 2014 #23
well, let's do away with airport screening. i'm sure god has prescreened anyone who buys a ticket spanone Apr 2014 #3
Sadly the NRA has some DU pals. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #6
Yep, that I don't support the NRA (since I'm too cheap to pay dues), doesn't convince me. Hoyt Apr 2014 #8
Most of them are also Republicans... DanTex Apr 2014 #29
Which ones? Don't be shy, let's hear some names. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #34
Good try. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #35
You've only been here a month? Really? DanTex Apr 2014 #37
Member since: Sat Mar 22, 2014, 04:58 PM Jgarrick Apr 2014 #38
No reason.... Enjoy your stay! DanTex Apr 2014 #39
How passive-aggressive of you. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #41
Yep. Kingofalldems Apr 2014 #36
Or Libertarian billh58 Apr 2014 #44
Ok so lordsummerisle Apr 2014 #12
No one that I ever heard of? the OP maybe thinks so oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #40
Correction. billh58 Apr 2014 #43
Noticeable absence of Democrats Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2014 #50

hack89

(39,171 posts)
1. The most powerful Dem politician in Rhode Island
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:00 PM
Apr 2014

Our Speaker of the House, has an A+ rating from the NRA. The new Dem chair of the judiciary committee also has a A rating.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
5. I agree their NRA score card supports some dems based on their voting record. .
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:08 PM
Apr 2014

Do you agree they are a right wing organization who mainly support the GOP agenda?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. Because he won't keep Feinstein quiet
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:40 PM
Apr 2014

Instead of working with gun owners to pass legislation that had wide support, he decided to recreate 1992 and let Feinstein trot out her AWB for the umpteenth time. He poked all gun owners in the eye and wonders why the NRA opposes him.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
14. The thing, beside supporting an AWB, Obama has been good for gun owners
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:46 PM
Apr 2014

He supports the individual right to own guns for example. But for some reason he felt he had to defer to Feinstein, knowing full well it would make any legislation impossible.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. Because he supported Feinstein and attacked the NRA
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:20 PM
Apr 2014

he thought that he could land a major political defeat on the NRA and made no attempt to work with the NRA. He completely misread the situation and couldn't even get the support of the Dem led Senate. So not only did he strengthen the NRA, but ensured they would never trust him.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
32. Umm, the NRA was 100% anti-Obama way before Sandy Hook and the aftermath.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

But please, don't let facts get in the way of your passionate defense of an organization that invites Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin to be their keynote speakers.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
45. and you are aware of the ridiculous misinformation (lies) they actively
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:51 AM
Apr 2014

propagated regarding Obama and guns?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
46. Yes, I am aware
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

their attacks are shameful.

Unfortunately, he played straight into their hands when he botched the post Sandy Hook effort to pass gun control legislation.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
16. So why did they give the liberal Dem speaker of the RI house an A+ rating
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:58 PM
Apr 2014

we are talking about a pro-union, pro-gay marriage Dem politician from a blue state.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
18. They have to rank them based on their voting record or lose all credibility......
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:08 PM
Apr 2014

Do you want a list of articles fr m their magazine? Name a democratic Keynote speaker at their national convention! According to you there are 58 people they could have speak.
And the last 10 have all been right wing idiots. To me anyway, maybe you would support them.
You are honestly just sounding clueless or biased. I am sure if I posted right wing stories straight from their monthly magazine you would defend them. And Ted Nugent is on their board of directors. But a couple of PMs has filled me in on most of this.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. So pro-gun incumbents are supported regardless of party
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:23 PM
Apr 2014

they stay true to their word.

I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
21. LOL, not a shock. You dont care that they rip GREAT dems over one issue? How can you honestly....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:26 PM
Apr 2014

be on this board and say that? The PMs and links explained your deal. But here are some more shit you do not care about.....

"I don't care what they do at their convention.", brilliant!










 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
25. LOL, we know your deal. "I don't care what they say at their convention"! Same with the GOP conv?
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:05 PM
Apr 2014

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. Now you are being silly.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:10 PM
Apr 2014

The GOP is anti-choice, anti- marriage equality, anti-union. I care a lot about what they say.

I know you refuse to accept that Dems can be pro-gun but this attack is weak even by your standards.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
27. The NRA is anti Obama and anti all DEMs that are not pro gun.....So your logic means.....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:16 PM
Apr 2014

that a dem can be perfect except for guns and you 100% support the NRA campaigning against the great dem? Spending $1000s of dollars against them?

Do you see how stupid that logic is?

You said "I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that."

So when they have Nugent speak and Palin speak and RIP Obama unfairly and RIP democrats over hurricane sandy coverage and RIP GREAT Democrats over ONE topic, you are "happy" with that?

How the fuck are you still posting here?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. Of course not
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:21 PM
Apr 2014

I would always support Dems. I do not support the NRA attacking Dems.

Can you still see your monitor through the spittle? You are trying too hard here.

I am still posting here because I am pro-choice, pro- marriage equality, pro-union, pro-equal rights. I am a life long Democrat that is active in political campaigns. Take your purity test somewhere else.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
30. Now you are flat out lying.....
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:32 PM
Apr 2014

"I do not support the NRA attacking Dems. "

a few posts after you said about the NRA......

""I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that."

It will be there to reference for future posts!

Here is what Wayne said at the convention that you do not care about......

All across America, everywhere I go, people come up to me and say, “Wayne, I’ve never been worried about this country … until now.”

Not with anger, but with sadness in their eyes. “I’ve never been worried about this country … until now.”

We’re worried about the economic crisis choking our budgets and shrinking our retirement. We’re worried about providing decent health care and a college education for our children. We fear for the safety of our families — it’s why neighborhood streets that were once filled with bicycles and skateboards, laughter in the air, now sit empty and silent.

In virtually every way, for the things we care about most, we feel profound loss. We are sad not because we fear something IS going wrong, but because we know something already HAS gone wrong.

It’s why more and more Americans are buying firearms and ammunition — not to cause trouble, but because we sense that America is already IN trouble.

We know that, sooner or later, reckless government actions and policies have consequences. That when government corrupts the truth and breaks faith with the American people, the entire fabric of our society — everything we believe in and count on — is in jeopardy.

Political dishonesty and media dishonesty have linked together, joined forces, to misinform and deceive the American public. Let’s be straight about it — the political and media elites are lying to us.

They lie bills into law. They pass legislation they haven’t even read, yet eagerly defend on television. Health care policies, economic policies, foreign affairs all seem repeatedly reckless.

The IRS is now a weapon. A weapon to punish anyone who disagrees with them, and that means every one of you.

They try to regulate our religion. They collect our cell phone and email data. They give us Solyndra, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, massive unemployment, a debt that will choke our grandchildren and one executive order on top of another.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
31. Give it a rest - you are trying too hard to be outraged
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

If we were to meet over a beer, you would discover that we see eye to eye on most things other than guns. I understand the frustration of the anti- gun crowd but you are not going to get your purity purge of pro-gun Dems so perhaps it is time to move on to more important things.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
48. And the pro-science crowd too...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

I understand the frustration of the anti- gun crowd..."

And the pro-science crowd too-- as the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to cut the CDC's budget the exact amount it had allocated to gun violence research... and continues to do so. However, as stated, perhaps it's time to move on to things more important than research...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
49. I certainly support more research money for the CDC
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:23 PM
Apr 2014

whatever gave you the impression I opposed it?.

I support all of President Obama's gun control initiatives with two exceptions: an AWB and registration.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
51. They endorse based on gun record
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 12:40 PM
Apr 2014

It could be a Republican or Democrat. Either one gets their endorsement if they are impressed with their gun agenda.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Not many. The millions they spent on their "Defeat Obama, Defend Freedom" campaign,
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:12 PM
Apr 2014

showed where they -- and the vast majority of non-NRA dues paying gun fanciers -- are coming from.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/nra-obama-gun-control_n_2003446.html
 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
22. Give up. When he supports the NRA because they support Dems sometimes then you know his story. nt
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:30 PM
Apr 2014

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
23. My sentaors Stabenaw and Levin received F ratings from the NRA
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 08:38 PM
Apr 2014

My rep Sander Levin F

My State senator Steve Beida was rated a C ... I really need to have more contact with that man

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Yep, that I don't support the NRA (since I'm too cheap to pay dues), doesn't convince me.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 07:17 PM
Apr 2014

The NRA don't need dues paying gun fanciers to advance their agenda on gun, and non-gun, issues.

When Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., walk into a Congressman's office ostensibly representing the NRA, they are also representing other right wing causes.
 

Jgarrick

(521 posts)
38. Member since: Sat Mar 22, 2014, 04:58 PM
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:30 PM
Apr 2014

And...?

Anyway, what are those names we've heard so much about? C'mon, give!

 

oneofthe99

(712 posts)
40. No one that I ever heard of? the OP maybe thinks so
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 11:47 PM
Apr 2014

During election cycles they advocate, support the most pro 2nd amendment politician running.
For the longest time they were big Harry Reid supporters in fact Wayne LaPierre and Reid
were very good friends

billh58

(6,635 posts)
43. Correction.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:42 AM
Apr 2014

The NRA is a right-wing organization funded by the Koch Brothers, and spends millions of dollars running anti-Democratic messages all year long. They campaign for Republicans in all states, and even in some city and county elections.

Harry Reid saw the light and severed ties with the NRA/ALEC/Koch Brothers right-wing gun lobby:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112878/harry-reid-and-wayne-lapierre-why-senator-and-nra-ceo-broke

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