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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe NRA is a pro gun group only and not political.......
Here are a few of this weeks speakers....
Rick Santorum
Mitch McConnell
Bobby Jindal
Marco Rubio
Bobby Jindal
Lt. Col. Oliver North
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
Remember, the NRA has nothing to do with politics!
Also Rev. Franklin Graham, the keynote speaker at Sundays prayer breakfast, said....
Theres been an ad circulating asking me to call on the NRA to support universal background checks. I want you to know that God has already done a universal background check on every one of us. He created you and knows everything about you. Nothing is hidden from His eyes.
So I feel better knowing that God will be doing background checks now on gun purchasers. I assume God has also weeded out all the rapists and murderers, so stop worrying about them!
hack89
(39,171 posts)Our Speaker of the House, has an A+ rating from the NRA. The new Dem chair of the judiciary committee also has a A rating.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Do you agree they are a right wing organization who mainly support the GOP agenda?
hack89
(39,171 posts)That is why, for example, they endorsed 58 House Dems in 2010
G_j
(40,367 posts)they actively worked against Obama?
hack89
(39,171 posts)Instead of working with gun owners to pass legislation that had wide support, he decided to recreate 1992 and let Feinstein trot out her AWB for the umpteenth time. He poked all gun owners in the eye and wonders why the NRA opposes him.
IveWornAHundredPants
(237 posts)If I were him I'd be worried if they didn't.
hack89
(39,171 posts)He supports the individual right to own guns for example. But for some reason he felt he had to defer to Feinstein, knowing full well it would make any legislation impossible.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)he thought that he could land a major political defeat on the NRA and made no attempt to work with the NRA. He completely misread the situation and couldn't even get the support of the Dem led Senate. So not only did he strengthen the NRA, but ensured they would never trust him.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But please, don't let facts get in the way of your passionate defense of an organization that invites Ted Nugent and Sarah Palin to be their keynote speakers.
G_j
(40,367 posts)propagated regarding Obama and guns?
hack89
(39,171 posts)their attacks are shameful.
Unfortunately, he played straight into their hands when he botched the post Sandy Hook effort to pass gun control legislation.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)we are talking about a pro-union, pro-gay marriage Dem politician from a blue state.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Do you want a list of articles fr m their magazine? Name a democratic Keynote speaker at their national convention! According to you there are 58 people they could have speak.
And the last 10 have all been right wing idiots. To me anyway, maybe you would support them.
You are honestly just sounding clueless or biased. I am sure if I posted right wing stories straight from their monthly magazine you would defend them. And Ted Nugent is on their board of directors. But a couple of PMs has filled me in on most of this.
hack89
(39,171 posts)they stay true to their word.
I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that.
Logical
(22,457 posts)be on this board and say that? The PMs and links explained your deal. But here are some more shit you do not care about.....
"I don't care what they do at their convention.", brilliant!
hack89
(39,171 posts)As long as they support gun rights.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)The GOP is anti-choice, anti- marriage equality, anti-union. I care a lot about what they say.
I know you refuse to accept that Dems can be pro-gun but this attack is weak even by your standards.
Logical
(22,457 posts)that a dem can be perfect except for guns and you 100% support the NRA campaigning against the great dem? Spending $1000s of dollars against them?
Do you see how stupid that logic is?
You said "I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that."
So when they have Nugent speak and Palin speak and RIP Obama unfairly and RIP democrats over hurricane sandy coverage and RIP GREAT Democrats over ONE topic, you are "happy" with that?
How the fuck are you still posting here?
hack89
(39,171 posts)I would always support Dems. I do not support the NRA attacking Dems.
Can you still see your monitor through the spittle? You are trying too hard here.
I am still posting here because I am pro-choice, pro- marriage equality, pro-union, pro-equal rights. I am a life long Democrat that is active in political campaigns. Take your purity test somewhere else.
Logical
(22,457 posts)"I do not support the NRA attacking Dems. "
a few posts after you said about the NRA......
""I don't care what they do at their convention. If they support pro-gun Dems then I am happy with that."
It will be there to reference for future posts!
Here is what Wayne said at the convention that you do not care about......
Not with anger, but with sadness in their eyes. Ive never been worried about this country until now.
Were worried about the economic crisis choking our budgets and shrinking our retirement. Were worried about providing decent health care and a college education for our children. We fear for the safety of our families its why neighborhood streets that were once filled with bicycles and skateboards, laughter in the air, now sit empty and silent.
In virtually every way, for the things we care about most, we feel profound loss. We are sad not because we fear something IS going wrong, but because we know something already HAS gone wrong.
Its why more and more Americans are buying firearms and ammunition not to cause trouble, but because we sense that America is already IN trouble.
We know that, sooner or later, reckless government actions and policies have consequences. That when government corrupts the truth and breaks faith with the American people, the entire fabric of our society everything we believe in and count on is in jeopardy.
Political dishonesty and media dishonesty have linked together, joined forces, to misinform and deceive the American public. Lets be straight about it the political and media elites are lying to us.
They lie bills into law. They pass legislation they havent even read, yet eagerly defend on television. Health care policies, economic policies, foreign affairs all seem repeatedly reckless.
The IRS is now a weapon. A weapon to punish anyone who disagrees with them, and that means every one of you.
They try to regulate our religion. They collect our cell phone and email data. They give us Solyndra, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Obamacare, massive unemployment, a debt that will choke our grandchildren and one executive order on top of another.
hack89
(39,171 posts)If we were to meet over a beer, you would discover that we see eye to eye on most things other than guns. I understand the frustration of the anti- gun crowd but you are not going to get your purity purge of pro-gun Dems so perhaps it is time to move on to more important things.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I understand the frustration of the anti- gun crowd..."
And the pro-science crowd too-- as the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to cut the CDC's budget the exact amount it had allocated to gun violence research... and continues to do so. However, as stated, perhaps it's time to move on to things more important than research...
hack89
(39,171 posts)whatever gave you the impression I opposed it?.
I support all of President Obama's gun control initiatives with two exceptions: an AWB and registration.
For the truth about the right-wing gun lobby.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)It could be a Republican or Democrat. Either one gets their endorsement if they are impressed with their gun agenda.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)showed where they -- and the vast majority of non-NRA dues paying gun fanciers -- are coming from.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/nra-obama-gun-control_n_2003446.html
Logical
(22,457 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)He, or an aid of his, wrote a very interesting article in Salon about that. http://www.salon.com/2013/12/20/nras_partisan_hackery_exposed_the_unbelievable_inside_story_of_its_war_on_one_democrat/
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)My rep Sander Levin F
My State senator Steve Beida was rated a C ... I really need to have more contact with that man
spanone
(135,838 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The NRA don't need dues paying gun fanciers to advance their agenda on gun, and non-gun, issues.
When Grover Norquist, John Bolton, etc., walk into a Congressman's office ostensibly representing the NRA, they are also representing other right wing causes.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Jgarrick
(521 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)DanTex
(20,709 posts)Jgarrick
(521 posts)And...?
Anyway, what are those names we've heard so much about? C'mon, give!
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Jgarrick
(521 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)right-wingers...
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Who said they weren't political?
oneofthe99
(712 posts)During election cycles they advocate, support the most pro 2nd amendment politician running.
For the longest time they were big Harry Reid supporters in fact Wayne LaPierre and Reid
were very good friends
billh58
(6,635 posts)The NRA is a right-wing organization funded by the Koch Brothers, and spends millions of dollars running anti-Democratic messages all year long. They campaign for Republicans in all states, and even in some city and county elections.
Harry Reid saw the light and severed ties with the NRA/ALEC/Koch Brothers right-wing gun lobby:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112878/harry-reid-and-wayne-lapierre-why-senator-and-nra-ceo-broke
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)and most of the Republicans there would be considered "on the fringe"