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newthinking

(3,982 posts)
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 04:27 AM Apr 2014

Captured Soldiers Not OSCE Observers as Claimed

Published On: Tue, Apr 29th, 2014
news | By Christof Lehmann

Captured Soldiers Not OSCE Observers as Claimed: Germany and Russia Held Talks

http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/29/captured-soldiers-osce-observers-claimed-germany-russia-held-talks/

Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : The eight captured men in the Ukrainian city Slaviansk are not OSCE observers, affirmed OSCE official Claus Neukirch. German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier spoke with his Russian counterpart Sergey Lavrov on Monday, to discuss Moscow’s possibilities to intervene on behalf of the 4 German, 1 Danish, 1 Polish, 1 Czech and 1 Swedish soldiers who were arrested in civilian clothing, in a vehicle displaying the OSCE name. The men are being accused of espionage.

The Reuters news agency reports that Steinmeier and Lavrov discussed the detention of the eight men on Monday, while Reuters falsely designates them “observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe”.



The OSCE stressed that the eight soldiers were not working for they OSCE. The soldiers are in Ukraine, as military observers, under a bilateral agreement made on the basis of an OSCE document. In an interview, broadcast by the Austrian TV Channel ORF, OSCE Spokesman Claus Neukirch said:

“But I also have to say, that they, to be exact, are not working for the OSCE, but that they are military observers who are active there (Ukraine) under a bilateral agreement based on an OSCE document. We have, parallel to them, also an OSCE-mission, an observer mission, that already has over 125 civilian observers in the country, including that region”.


More here:
http://nsnbc.me/2014/04/29/captured-soldiers-osce-observers-claimed-germany-russia-held-talks/
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Captured Soldiers Not OSCE Observers as Claimed (Original Post) newthinking Apr 2014 OP
It's tricky... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #1
every other news agency has called them military observers OKNancy Apr 2014 #2
Duh! malaise Apr 2014 #3
LBN thread seems to have attracted the heavy hitters.... Junkdrawer Apr 2014 #4
Rationalwiki on "nsnbc"... SidDithers Apr 2014 #5
Tweets from OSCE... SidDithers Apr 2014 #6

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
1. It's tricky...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:12 AM
Apr 2014

Initially they were widely described as an official "OSCE mission".

Then they said they were there under the Vienna document of the OSCE.

The vienna document is an agreement that allows states to inspect each others armies for the purpose of minimizing tensions.

The captured military troops claimed they were there at the invite of the Ukrainian government. The issue at hand is whether the Kiev government has the legitimacy to invite troops from a foreign nation into the areas held by those representing the legitimate government of Ukraine. Thats the tricky part.

Likely they are all NATO intelligence officers AKA spies.

Thanks for the post.


OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
2. every other news agency has called them military observers
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 05:17 AM
Apr 2014

So this blog is making a big story out of nothing for sensational reasons.

Just as proof, from 5 days ago ( there are many other links if you google)
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/official-military-observers-detained-ukraine-23474554

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
5. Rationalwiki on "nsnbc"...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:46 AM
Apr 2014
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nsnbc.me

The website is one of the more professional-looking crank sites. However, under the shiny exterior, the website supports a wide range of conspiracy theories and woo.

nsnbc features articles supporting 9/11 conspiracy theories,[2][3] FEMA concentration camps,[2][4] Bilderberg conspiracies,[2][5] Zionist conspiracies,[6] Rothschild conspiracies,[6] Monsanto conspiracies,[7] Séralini's discredited rat study,[8] vaccine-induced autism,[9] fluoride conspiracies,[10] and cancer woo.[11]


Footnotes at link above.



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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
6. Tweets from OSCE...
Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:53 AM
Apr 2014
1/4 Comms with military observers in Donetsk region lost.Team not OSCE monitors but sent by States under Vienna Doc on military transparency

https://twitter.com/OSCE/status/459747578297716736

2/4 All members of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission and OSCE/ODIHR election observers are safe and accounted for

https://twitter.com/OSCE/status/459747682819772416

3/4 Military verification team - led by Germans – and composed of 8 members – 4 Germans, 1 Czech, 1 Danish, 1 Polish, 1 Swedish

https://twitter.com/OSCE/status/459747756631134208

4/4 Military verification team sent following invitation from Ukraine under terms of Vienna Document 2011

https://twitter.com/OSCE/status/459748009329582080



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