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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:12 AM Mar 2012

If you break your nose

and show up on camera only 30 minutes later, some evidence of that injury will be apparent. Even if there was bleeding and it was cleaned up, his nose would be swollen or have a mark or something.

I have broken my nose twice, and 30 minutes later there was a boatload of evidence 30 minutes later. In addition, a broken nose and possible head injuries should be checked by a qualified medical person.

If Zimmerman were to claim later that the police prevented him from getting the proper care, he would probably have grounds for a lawsuit if he experienced problems. In addition, head wounds bleed profusely. That injury is suspect too IMHO.



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If you break your nose (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP
There is an unreleased EMS report that should clear things up ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #1
They all bleed. Most are gushers. Warpy Mar 2012 #5
THAT'S WHAT I SAID, Warpy. How was he able to fire a gun into Trayvon , when, according to Ecumenist Mar 2012 #10
no they don't all bleed TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #16
How long do they bleed for? Freddie Stubbs Mar 2012 #20
Bad arterial bleeds will gush until they're stopped surgically. Warpy Mar 2012 #21
You can believe a racist police department report if you'd like Eddie Haskell Mar 2012 #7
If you think the post you're replying to favors the police report, ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #11
I'm sure they have some RWer in his mommy's basement churning out the fake reports zbdent Mar 2012 #12
His story reeks LaurenG Mar 2012 #2
Seems like they know him KurtNYC Mar 2012 #9
His hair was short enough to see his scalp. There was not even a scratch. Add to that appleannie1 Mar 2012 #3
Yeah, as I was watching that video, I was thinking that his buzz-cut wasn't working bullwinkle428 Mar 2012 #6
I broke my nose when I was 15 abelenkpe Mar 2012 #4
Me too! rusty fender Mar 2012 #15
I broke my nose twice NV Whino Mar 2012 #8
His nose didn't look broken to me. calimary Mar 2012 #13
I broke mine too. No blood or bruising, but I was a mouth-breather for 24 hours arcane1 Mar 2012 #14
wow. lots of DUers with broken noses Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #17
I guess we'd rather fight than switch. gkhouston Mar 2012 #18
lol. I guess so. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #22
I was a mouth breather for two years! TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #19
How did you break your nose? thucythucy Mar 2012 #23
Zimmerman's brother interviewed on Piers Morgan DearAbby Mar 2012 #24

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
1. There is an unreleased EMS report that should clear things up
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:20 AM
Mar 2012

Elsewhere some are contesting the video, but the report of those who were hands on (literally) will be telling. Police should have taken photos as part of the interview. It is unknown if they did or not. There are claims that Zimmerman went to a private doc the next day. Records and radiology from that visit would also be useful.

There are other threads here about broken noses here on DU...my take is that the vast majority bleed and/or swell, but some do not.

In the video released yesterday I did not see someone who was injured...he is going to jail.

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
5. They all bleed. Most are gushers.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:32 AM
Mar 2012

His whole story stinks. If he had been close to Martin when he fired, he'd have had blood soaked clothing.

He's a punk with a gun who panicked when the guy he was chasing started to scream for help.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
10. THAT'S WHAT I SAID, Warpy. How was he able to fire a gun into Trayvon , when, according to
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:09 PM
Mar 2012

him, Trayvon was on top of him and not get ONE SPOT OF BLOOD ON HIS SHIRT? Doesn't maker any sense at all.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
16. no they don't all bleed
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:11 PM
Mar 2012

Mine didn't bleed one single drop yet it was a very bad break requiring surgery to fix. I also got no swelling and no bruising or other indication that there was any kind of injury at all. My own family members couldn't tell even up close and personal that I had gotten any kind of nose injury at all. Even I myself couldn't tell looking in a mirror unless I held a pencil up against the ridge of my nose to see that it was off kilter. It was only the x-rays that revealed all the damage on the inside which was the reason I couldn't breathe at all out of one side of my nose. Of course, *I* knew it was broken immediately since I instantly couldn't breathe out of one side and it FELT like my nose was coming out of the side of my head.

No two broken noses are alike nor are the symptoms alike. Why in the world would they be?


Warpy

(111,264 posts)
21. Bad arterial bleeds will gush until they're stopped surgically.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:42 PM
Mar 2012

A slow drip usually doesn't last all that long.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
11. If you think the post you're replying to favors the police report,
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:11 PM
Mar 2012

then your eyes may not be as trustworthy as you think.

zbdent

(35,392 posts)
12. I'm sure they have some RWer in his mommy's basement churning out the fake reports
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:32 PM
Mar 2012

like the guy who said he could fabricate a piece of evidence (against Bush43) using his printer and Microsoft Word ...

LaurenG

(24,841 posts)
2. His story reeks
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:21 AM
Mar 2012

from beginning to end. Unless he took a shower before the police came he is a liar, and did anyone else notice how the police just sort of all went into the building and asumed he would follow them? Weird that.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
9. Seems like they know him
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:07 PM
Mar 2012

probably were half expecting something like this to happen

They ID'd the victim that he shot and then labelled Martin's body as a "John Doe" anyway. How will they explain THAT?

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
3. His hair was short enough to see his scalp. There was not even a scratch. Add to that
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:22 AM
Mar 2012

his father's story that Trayvon sat on George and hit him repeatedly in the face for a couple minutes time. Yet there was no red marks, no abrasions and no swelling anywhere on his face. The more he adds to his defense the less likely it is to be true.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
6. Yeah, as I was watching that video, I was thinking that his buzz-cut wasn't working
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:39 AM
Mar 2012

out too well for him! The "head wounds" would have been pretty clearly evident when you have minimal hair on your head.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
4. I broke my nose when I was 15
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 11:26 AM
Mar 2012

It swelled up like a balloon right away and I sported two black eyes for a couple weeks. It was awesome since the whole thing coincided with the first two weeks of my sophomore year in high school.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
15. Me too!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:04 PM
Mar 2012

When I broke my nose, it flattened out, it bled and I had 2 blackeyes. I stayed home from school because I was a mess. Kids at school teased me(that I got into a fight) for days about my black eyes once I returned to school.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
8. I broke my nose twice
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:02 PM
Mar 2012

There was no blood, but there was swelling and I had two black eyes, which showed up a day or so later and lasted for a couple of weeks, running the gamut from black and blue to green and yellow.

calimary

(81,267 posts)
13. His nose didn't look broken to me.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:34 PM
Mar 2012

Nor did his face or clothing look as though he'd just been pummeled by an attacker. Nor did the back of his head.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
14. I broke mine too. No blood or bruising, but I was a mouth-breather for 24 hours
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 12:41 PM
Mar 2012

Zimmerman seems to be breathing through his nose just fine!

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
19. I was a mouth breather for two years!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 02:35 PM
Mar 2012

I was THAT terrified of the surgery. But finally I couldn't stand it anymore and bit the bullet and had the surgery done. The aftermath of the surgery was aweful. I still get sick to my stomach remembering. The day after the surgery though I was basically fine other than feeling sick from the antibiotics. If I had known just how miserable that surgery was even though it was just the afternoon and that night in the hospital you couldn't have dragged me into surgery to this day... you'd have to catch me first, and I'd be sprinting!

Ugh, now I feel sick again.

In any case, even though I had a really bad break there was no blood, no swelling, no bruising, no nothing.

I never got any swelling or bruising after the surgery either and I'd been warned of great big black eyes being likely. I just got a tiny bit of yellow in the corner under one eye. Thank goodness... dealing with the surgery was bad enough, I would have hated to be all black and blue and swollen to boot. I did have a really remarkable surgeon though. He let me play my Simon and Garfunkel tape on my walkman during the surgery and even had the tape flipped over for me. Not that I really recall any of the music since whatever anesthesia they gave me put me on some other planet (I swear I was NOT on this planet under that stuff). Must have been some crazy powerful antesthesia dope they gave me.


thucythucy

(8,055 posts)
23. How did you break your nose?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:17 PM
Mar 2012

I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious how you could break it so bad as to need surgery but still not suffer any bleeding, bruises, or swelling.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
24. Zimmerman's brother interviewed on Piers Morgan
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:22 PM
Mar 2012

he claimed that "Zimmerman was beat to the point of losing consciousness after his head was beat on the concrete for nearly a minute."

IT WAS A MIRACLE! PRAISE GOD!!! 35 minutes later there is no evidence of this serious condition.

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