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samplegirl

(11,488 posts)
Sun May 4, 2014, 08:53 AM May 2014

Kent State University victims and students remember May 4th, 1970 shooting 44th Anniversary

By: Michael Baldwin

Posted: 8:13 AM, May 4, 2014
Kent, OH - A large crowd gathered just after 11 p.m. Saturday behind the Taylor Hall at Kent State University to honor the fallen. The crowd stood near the Victory Bell holding candles in remembrance of May 4th, 1970.

It was 44 years ago that four students were killed after 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds by the National Guard.

The students were pushed over to the parking lot of Prentice Hall as they were protesting the Vietnam War.

Students and volunteers are still standing in the parking lot area where the four students died. The students will stand there for 12 hours honoring the victims in the very spot where they were shot and killed.

Around 7 p.m. Saturday, a forum was held where survivors answered questions and spoke about the day they will never forget.

"To me, May 4th means life, but it also means death and murder," said Dean Kahler, who was shot and will never walk again.

"This is a horrific thing and [the students’] blood was spilled on this campus. It should never be forgotten," he said.

Another survivor, Joe Lewis, wants immunity to be given to the shooters. He said that's how the truth can come out so we know what really happened that day.

"It's a continued quest for the truth," Lewis said. "The memories need to be an example of what went wrong."

Sunday at noon there will be a commemoration of the events that took place that horrible day in Kent State University history.


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Kent State University victims and students remember May 4th, 1970 shooting 44th Anniversary (Original Post) samplegirl May 2014 OP
I dont think the students shot were part of the protestors... HooptieWagon May 2014 #1
All 4 were students. Two were not protesting... Cooley Hurd May 2014 #4
7 of the 11 were shot in the side or the back. The nearest victim was 90 yards away. alfredo May 2014 #23
Why is understanding the Kent State Ohio Massacre critical? antiquie May 2014 #2
To end anti war protests The Wizard May 2014 #6
Too true. antiquie May 2014 #26
4 Dead in O-HI-O Cooley Hurd May 2014 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author The Wizard May 2014 #5
I offer this link without comment on its veracity Cirque du So-What May 2014 #7
Mitchner's "Kent State. What Happened and Why" is worthwhile. Eleanors38 May 2014 #8
Rough days. Kent State, Jackson State. Demonstrations round the clock, Eleanors38 May 2014 #9
Glad those ugly days are over. AScott May 2014 #10
They are far from over. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #12
Things are worse in the US now than they were in 1786? AScott May 2014 #14
Things are worse in a lot of ways. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #16
So the average African-American today has fewer rights than the average African-American slave AScott May 2014 #17
We all have fewer rights than we did two centuries ago. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #20
Two centuries ago, only white men had the right to even vote n/t arcane1 May 2014 #27
+100 Duppers May 2014 #24
I have both hope and dread for the new days. Eleanors38 May 2014 #19
44 years ago, I recall it like yesterday, the shock, disgust and fear. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #11
Me, too. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2014 #30
And on the 15th, more deaths at Jackson State. malthaussen May 2014 #13
My family's house became "strike central" as we coordinated a Westchester County-wide strike of FailureToCommunicate May 2014 #15
My father seemed indifferent about the Vietnam War. E-Z-B May 2014 #18
Thanx for reminding everyone. Big, BIG K&R JohnnyRingo May 2014 #21
The last great sustained left wing protest movement. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #22
Remember when state violence against citizens was shocking? alphafemale May 2014 #25
Gerald V. Casale Of DEVO On Kent State Shootings rawtribe May 2014 #28
Then, as now, protest of the establishment's actions/policies is an impertinence which will not indepat May 2014 #29
Just an aside... yallerdawg May 2014 #31
I hope this discussion goes on for a long time..."a continued quest for truth." 7wo7rees May 2014 #32
We won't forget. n/t Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #33
May 4 commemoration at KSU still heavy on emotion struggle4progress May 2014 #34
Campus Reflects on 44th Anniversary of Kent State Shootings struggle4progress May 2014 #35
Echoes of Kent State still felt in Columbia 44 years later struggle4progress May 2014 #36
Historic MU protest was a birthday to remember struggle4progress May 2014 #37
Stepping into a 'claustrophobic' war protest at MU struggle4progress May 2014 #38
Mundelein College students, faculty protested Kent State shootings on May 4, 1970 struggle4progress May 2014 #39
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
1. I dont think the students shot were part of the protestors...
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:07 AM
May 2014

...if I remember correctly. As I recall, the NG was confronting/persuing the protestors, then turned to fire on student bystanders. The protestors may or may not have been students.

alfredo

(60,075 posts)
23. 7 of the 11 were shot in the side or the back. The nearest victim was 90 yards away.
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
May 2014

I was in Detroit at the time. Several students and a professor took refuge in our apartment for a day or so until the shock subsided.

The war came home that day.

There were other murders. In Augusta Georgia on May 12 six Black men were murdered. They shot in the back by National Guard during riots caused by the murder of a mentally challenged 16 year old inmate in a local jail. The guards said he fell off his bunk, but that didn't explain the cigarette burns, the crushed skull, and signs he was flogged.

Here are the Martyrs:

Mack Wilson, Jr.
John (Johnnie) Stokes
William Wright, Jr.
Charlie Mack Murphy
Sammie Larry McCullough
John Bennings

Governor Lester Maddox ordered the use of force.


 

antiquie

(4,299 posts)
2. Why is understanding the Kent State Ohio Massacre critical?
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:08 AM
May 2014
To understand the events of May 4, 1970 at Kent State and the four dead in Ohio, is to understand much of what has happened in our history before, during and after.

In response to the DOJ whitewash report Congressman Dennis Kucinich issued a statement:

“The letter also failed to indicate any efforts to reconcile the evidence in the recording with any prior statements about the incident made by FBI paid informant, Terry Norman, who was on campus that day and was known to have brandished a gun that might have created the sounds caught in the recording.

“While I appreciate the response from the Justice Department, ultimately, they fail to examine key questions and discrepancies. It is well known that an FBI informant, Terry Norman, was on the campus. That FBI informant was carrying a gun. Eye witnesses testified that they saw Mr. Norman brandish that weapon. Two experts in forensic audio, who have previously testified in court regarding audio forensics, found gunshots in their analysis of the audio recording.

Did an FBI informant discharge a firearm at Kent State?

Did an FBI informant precipitate the shootings?"

Much more http://neilyoungnews.thrasherswheat.org/2013/05/more-kent-state-ohio-massacre-coverup.html

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
6. To end anti war protests
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:27 AM
May 2014

Nixon unleashed the dogs of war on America's children.
It's been happening ever since, but without the use of lethal weapons, witness the militarized police state tactics and equipment employed whenever there's a demonstration directed at corruption and corruption's government handmaidens. Occupy protestors were treated more harshly than terrorists.

Response to samplegirl (Original post)

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. Rough days. Kent State, Jackson State. Demonstrations round the clock,
Sun May 4, 2014, 09:42 AM
May 2014

hunger strike, camping on the Ad bldg. lawn at U of F., some family strife, and most of a life of activism to follow.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
12. They are far from over.
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:26 AM
May 2014

Those ugly days started shortly after the US Revolution, with Shay's Rebellion, back in 1786.
It has only gotten worse and worse as time goes by.

 

AScott

(65 posts)
14. Things are worse in the US now than they were in 1786?
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:36 AM
May 2014

Try telling a woman or an African-American they would have been better off a couple of centuries ago.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
16. Things are worse in a lot of ways.
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

They are a little better in others.
Corporations now hold more power than they ever have. So whether you are African-American, female, LGBTQ, straight, or whatever you are, if you are not a billionaire, you have less, and fewer actual rights than you did a couple of centuries ago.

There were free African-Americans in NY more than two centuries ago (that I know about). Right in NYC, well it was Brooklyn. Women did a lot during the Revolutionary War. There was the female equivalent to Paul Revere in Kent, NY. Sybil Luddington. Look her up.
Though Sojourner Truth was a slave, she did a lot to end slavery right here in the Hudson Valley, near Kingston, NY, where I live.

Yes, there are some things that are a bit better, but all in all things have taken a big turn for the worse over the last 35 or so years.

So when one asks, "Are we all better off than we were two centuries ago?" My reply is, "As we all are slaves to the capitalist system, I don't think so."

 

AScott

(65 posts)
17. So the average African-American today has fewer rights than the average African-American slave
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:55 AM
May 2014

of two centuries ago? Keep in mind that most African-Americans in the first half of the 19th Century were not free.

Women had more rights in 1814 than they do today? Really?

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
20. We all have fewer rights than we did two centuries ago.
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:12 AM
May 2014

As now we are ALL slaves to the capitalist system.

malthaussen

(17,215 posts)
13. And on the 15th, more deaths at Jackson State.
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:30 AM
May 2014

Lest we forget.

In memoriam: James Earl Green and Phillip Lafayette Gates.

-- Mal

FailureToCommunicate

(14,019 posts)
15. My family's house became "strike central" as we coordinated a Westchester County-wide strike of
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

schools on May 8th to protest the Kent State shootings, joining similar actions of outrage occurring across the U.S.

"The press and national media covered the story in detail, with many front-page newspaper accounts using what would become the iconic photograph of the event – a young girl with arms outstretched screaming over the body of one of the slain students. In the immediate aftermath of the shootings, protests and a student strike ensued across the country. Two days after the Kent State incident, police wounded four demonstrators at the University of Buffalo. On May 8th, some 100,000 protesters – angered over Kent State and the Cambodian invasion – gathered in Washington. Another 150,000 protested in San Francisco. Nationwide, four million students and 450 universities, colleges, and high schools would become involved in the student strike, which included mostly peaceful protests and walkouts. However, on some campuses, ROTC buildings were attacked or set on fire, and 26 schools witnessed clashes between students and police. National Guard units were mobilized on 21 campuses in 16 states. Public opinion polls, meanwhile, supported Nixon’s actions, with 50 percent of the American public backing him in polls taken during the second week of May. Fifty-eight percent blamed the students for what had occurred at Kent State. In one pro-Nixon demonstration in New York City on May 8th, some construction workers supporting the President’s actions rioted and attacked demonstrating students."

And sadly, we needed to try to repeat after the Jackson State shooting a few day later.





Phillip L. Gibbs and James Earl Green:

E-Z-B

(567 posts)
18. My father seemed indifferent about the Vietnam War.
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:01 AM
May 2014

When Kent State happened, it opened his eyes and turned him against the war overnight. I'm sure this happened to many others as well.

JohnnyRingo

(18,638 posts)
21. Thanx for reminding everyone. Big, BIG K&R
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:17 AM
May 2014

It seems the horrible memory fades a little each year with new students and as people of that era grow older. It was nearer to you and I so it's probably etched more vividly in our minds. You could have mentioned that you were there earlier that week on little sister day.

This is the kind of govt overreach that bears prominent memorial lest the outrageous and pained cries of history echo back upon us.

On edit:
I love how you copied and pasted the warning not to copy & paste the article. That's stickin' it to the man. hahaha

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
22. The last great sustained left wing protest movement.
Sun May 4, 2014, 11:23 AM
May 2014

Since then the state has learned quite well how to suppress anything that might resemble the prolonged uprising of the late 60's and early 70's. See for example the successful effort to squash Occupy.

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
25. Remember when state violence against citizens was shocking?
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:20 PM
May 2014

Yeah, I barely do either.

And if you are not white or poor the police were NEVER your protectors.

FUCHT da POLESE!

rawtribe

(1,493 posts)
28. Gerald V. Casale Of DEVO On Kent State Shootings
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:31 PM
May 2014

I was not only there then, I was in the thick of it, retreating from the National Guardsmen and choking on tear gas along with hundreds of fellow students. To paraphrase an old country song, “we didn’t know the guns were loaded”. I could have been shot and killed. I was closer to the gunfire than Jeffery Miller or Allison Krause, freshmen students who I had befriended when I helped them register for Fall classes at KSU in the summer of 1969.


http://clubdevo.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=4782%3Akent-state&Itemid=27

indepat

(20,899 posts)
29. Then, as now, protest of the establishment's actions/policies is an impertinence which will not
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:32 PM
May 2014

be put up with.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
31. Just an aside...
Sun May 4, 2014, 01:14 PM
May 2014

Alabama head coach Nick Saban was a Kent State football player in 1970. He and another teammate stopped for lunch before checking out the rally, and when they went up the hill came upon this war scene on campus. Saban had a class with Allison Krause, but didn't know her. He says it is something he will never forget, and believes the success of the Kent State football program over the next couple years helped unify the school after this epic tragedy.

Alabama played Kent State last year, and this was brought up. It's always interesting when we realize history is all around us in the people, not just old footage and books.

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
34. May 4 commemoration at KSU still heavy on emotion
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:11 PM
May 2014

By Jewell Cardwell
Beacon Journal staff writer
Published: May 4, 2014 - 06:10 PM

... Jennifer Schwartz Wright stood vigil late Sunday morning by the concrete lanterns in memory of her cousin and KSU freshman Allison Krause, who lost her life 44 years ago.

“This is absolutely where I need to be,” she said. “I’ve been coming every year since I was 15...

“I was nine months old when she was killed. I never knew her, but I could have known her,” Wright continued, her voice trailing off. “She was an honor student and she was my spiritual mentor, because I later found out from books she had that she was curious about art therapy too.”

Wright, who is executive director of her own art therapy studio in Cleveland, brought along her 8-year-old daughter Allison, named after her cousin ...


http://www.ohio.com/news/may-4-commemoration-at-ksu-still-heavy-on-emotion-1.485700

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
35. Campus Reflects on 44th Anniversary of Kent State Shootings
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:12 PM
May 2014

Posted on: 6:58 pm, May 4, 2014, by Bill Sheil
updated on: 08:36pm, May 4, 2014

... One of the featured speakers was 19-year-old Allison Krause’s sister, Laurel.

“My sister, Allison, stood for peace,” Laurel said. “She believed in peace, and in her last act on this planet, she died for peace” ...


http://fox8.com/2014/05/04/campus-reflects-on-44th-anniversary-of-kent-state-shootings/

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
36. Echoes of Kent State still felt in Columbia 44 years later
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:14 PM
May 2014

Sunday, May 4, 2014
6:00 a.m. CDT
BY Max Havey

... The protests continued for days across campus, with students skipping classes and some professors canceling classes to allow students to demonstrate. Locations included the campus residence of Chancellor John Schwada, Memorial Student Union, Schwada's Office in Jesse Hall and Francis Quadrangle. Speakers included visiting TV newsman Harry Reasoner and professors from the university ...

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/174071/echoes-of-kent-state-still-felt-in-columbia-44-years-later/

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
37. Historic MU protest was a birthday to remember
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:15 PM
May 2014

BY Paige Blankenbuehler

Susan Marshall was on her way to class at MU in the late afternoon of May 11, 1970, when some of her classmates flagged her down.

“Come join us,” she remembers them saying.

And why not? It was her birthday, after all.

Marshall ended up marking her 19th birthday on the grass of Francis Quadrangle outside of Jesse Hall with 3,000 or more of her peers, getting sunburned on what would become a historic day at MU, protesting the Vietnam War and the Kent State shootings ...


http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/174153/historic-mu-protest-was-a-birthday-to-remember/

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
38. Stepping into a 'claustrophobic' war protest at MU
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:17 PM
May 2014

Sunday, May 4, 2014 | 6:00 a.m. CDT

... When Pike stepped out of MU's Hill Hall on May 11, 1970, she found herself in the midst of the largest anti-war demonstration to date, with more than 3,000 people urging the university to make a statement in opposition to the Vietnam War.

She remembers being trapped at the west side of Jesse Hall in a narrow passage full of people.

"The crowd was so big, you really felt crushed. It was claustrophobic, and it looked like it was going to get out of hand,” Pike said.

There had been shootings at other protests — namely Kent State and Jackson State — and Pike remembers thinking "it could happen here too — it just felt scary" ...


http://www.columbiamissourian.com/a/174152/stepping-into-a-claustrophobic-war-protest-at-mu/

struggle4progress

(118,320 posts)
39. Mundelein College students, faculty protested Kent State shootings on May 4, 1970
Sun May 4, 2014, 10:18 PM
May 2014

By: Richard Ray | Aggrego News Service
May 04, 2014 5:36 p.m.

The events that occurred at Kent State University on May 4, 1970 impacted the lives of citizens throughout the nation, including those at Mundelein College in Chicago.

Students and faculty at the school responded to the Kent State shootings by organizing a picket line on Sheridan Road in 1970.

"May 4, 1970 marked a turning point in the youth revolution of the 1960's. After 67 rounds fired, 13 students injured, and 4 youth fatally shot by National Guardsmen during a fateful antiwar demonstration on the campus of Kent State University, Mundelein undergraduates, like their peers nationwide, reacted with fervor to the militaristic response to Vietnam protest. In return, these students only intensified their efforts, radically altering their very way of life by putting a stop to classes and a start to the 'Student Strike,' a round-the-clock curbside picket along Sheridan Road" ...


http://mundelein.suntimes.com/news/mundkent-MUN-05042014:article

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