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Brigid

(17,621 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:38 PM Mar 2012

Just when, exactly, did this country turn into a nuthouse?

I log on to DU after finishing my math homework and in seconds I'm reading stories about a teenager being shot dead by a vigilante while carrying nothing more menacing than a bag of Skittles and a bottle of iced tea; a college kid getting shot dead by the cops because some idiot called 911 and said there was somebody prowling around with a gun; and an older former Marine with a heart condition being shot dead in his own home when the cops show up and break down his door after he accidentally set off his MedicAlert pendant. What do these stories have in common? Cops (well, one wannabe cop) and the race of the victim. I don't even want to think about what the next jawdropping story will be.

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Just when, exactly, did this country turn into a nuthouse? (Original Post) Brigid Mar 2012 OP
June 30, 1950 gratuitous Mar 2012 #1
I was going to say January 21st 1981 - Raygun's inauguration Initech Mar 2012 #2
Winner...! russspeakeasy Mar 2012 #7
Yup. Nailed it. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #9
What I would say too. libtodeath Mar 2012 #10
Correct. That's when the insane "Moral Majority" cr-p started, and I was in college. kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #11
Oh don't get me started on the moral majority or "values voters" Initech Mar 2012 #26
You beat me to it, Initech! LOL! Ecumenist Mar 2012 #14
I'm Going Back To November 1968 ProfessorGAC Mar 2012 #21
True - what were people thinking electing Nixon? Initech Mar 2012 #25
I'd say they were thinking of the 1968 Democratic Convention MicaelS Mar 2012 #71
Ha - OWS is viewed the exact same way. Initech Mar 2012 #75
Damm hippies and your pushback! Mopar151 Mar 2012 #80
I swear the Fox News crowd is in full on Gran Torino mode at this point. Initech Mar 2012 #81
Nixon perfected the art of identity politics to a science TrollBuster9090 Mar 2012 #43
Nixon started this latest craziness when he declared war on the kids, ThomThom Mar 2012 #94
touche! Carolina Mar 2012 #38
That's it. ArcticFox Mar 2012 #49
Close. jwirr Mar 2012 #39
That's my date. Nt XanaDUer Mar 2012 #41
Agreed: "Then tell me, "Future Boy", who's President in the United States in 1985? FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #47
Ha! Love "Back To The Future" Initech Mar 2012 #55
Spot on. Exactly what I was thinking. LoisB Mar 2012 #50
And you would be right. n/t RiffRandell Mar 2012 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2012 #64
Winner, Winner Chicken Dinner! chnoutte Mar 2012 #89
That's exactly when Aerows Mar 2012 #100
Hmmm . . . Brigid Mar 2012 #28
And how could you argue that? I look virgogal Mar 2012 #40
What? Brigid Mar 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author TahitiNut Mar 2012 #52
And this turned the country into a nuthouse? I think the virgogal Mar 2012 #63
US beats England in World Cup! montanto Mar 2012 #34
What happened then burrowowl Mar 2012 #83
Forgot the Korean War burrowowl Mar 2012 #85
I'm not sure it was ever any different MuseRider Mar 2012 #3
When wasn't it a nuthouse? GoCubsGo Mar 2012 #4
Don't forget about this one: Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #5
Not to mention the one about the 60-year-old woman who had two flat tires and was charged HiPointDem Mar 2012 #18
This is minor by comparison, but how about the TSA making that woman in a Texas airport TrollBuster9090 Mar 2012 #45
Same thing, I agree, just less destructive. But still humiliating. HiPointDem Mar 2012 #60
This article you wrote is quote profound. GopperStopper2680 Mar 2012 #6
1791 slackmaster Mar 2012 #8
you left out all the jackass-cop antics regarding ows leftyohiolib Mar 2012 #12
1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2004, 2010 seem to be at the root of most of our current problems. Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2012 #13
republicans won. barbtries Mar 2012 #17
What date did Joe McCarthy wave around that blank piece of paper that he no_hypocrisy Mar 2012 #15
The whole McCarthy Army hearings ... bayareaboy Mar 2012 #51
If there was ever any doubt beforehand ... lpbk2713 Mar 2012 #16
According to Howard Zinn, from the very beginning. yardwork Mar 2012 #19
Good point. People always act like....people. MissMarple Mar 2012 #23
2000. MineralMan Mar 2012 #20
...and to think everybody pooh-poohed Y2K. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2012 #33
you got it! (nt) Tumbulu Mar 2012 #76
I agree loyalsister Mar 2012 #82
Didn't you hear? He shoplifted the Skittles! pokerfan Mar 2012 #22
dear goddess--is that whole thing real? she actually said that? niyad Mar 2012 #30
Not real -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #95
"I bought a donut - they gave me a receipt. We did not need to bring ink and paper into this transaction!" Initech Mar 2012 #32
I was going to mention that pokerfan Mar 2012 #36
Positively amazing gratuitous Mar 2012 #35
Oh, well...depends on who you ask. Rex Mar 2012 #24
I would add October 7, 1996 lutefisk Mar 2012 #66
Dam have they had that long to ruin our country? Rex Mar 2012 #72
I swear, they've been around longer cyglet Mar 2012 #78
10/12/1492 Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #27
Since our media got taken over by minority corporate interests who Cleita Mar 2012 #29
That has to do with Newt Moon Colony pushing media deregulation back in the mid 90s Initech Mar 2012 #57
I really wish we could send Newt, Murdoch and the Koch brothers to Cleita Mar 2012 #67
1994, when someone tried to destroy Weezer's sweater bart95 Mar 2012 #31
Carlin pokerfan Mar 2012 #37
1978 JHB Mar 2012 #42
I am guessing around the 1500's, b4 it was a country. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2012 #46
1980s ArcticFox Mar 2012 #48
1492 One_Life_To_Give Mar 2012 #53
Gotta appreciate this one. ^ Smarmie Doofus Mar 2012 #90
It's always been a nuthouse. obxhead Mar 2012 #54
1776 When we declared indepence as a country TNLib Mar 2012 #56
You say "NUThouse" like it's a bad thing? TahitiNut Mar 2012 #58
Just Follow The Rise Of Rupert Murdoch DallasNE Mar 2012 #59
when the Buckeyes began to dominate EVERY sport! BB_Troll Mar 2012 #62
Officially, December 2000 Gman Mar 2012 #65
Yep, when W stole the presidency. Tennessee Gal Mar 2012 #70
Middish 1600's??? AKA well before our founding. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #68
well... cyglet Mar 2012 #69
December 16, 1773 Dead_Parrot Mar 2012 #73
And not surprisingly, the harbor water is still brown! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2012 #74
Welp I guess you overlooked the little Texas kid banned from using her walker at school. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #77
November 22, 1963 n/t Waiting For Everyman Mar 2012 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #87
Raygun! burrowowl Mar 2012 #84
I don't know Herlong Mar 2012 #86
My father will tell you the exact moment, Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #88
November 4, 1980 Egalitarian Thug Mar 2012 #91
July 4 1776 SmileyRose Mar 2012 #92
Guaranteed the next story won't be about white collar criminals being held accountable just1voice Mar 2012 #93
Just ask the Wampanoag people... countryjake Mar 2012 #96
I'm guessing sometime between mikeSchmuckabee Mar 2012 #97
when Gingrich passed his infamous Contract With America. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #98
When was the world not a nuthouse? Taitertots Mar 2012 #99
 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
11. Correct. That's when the insane "Moral Majority" cr-p started, and I was in college.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:55 PM
Mar 2012

I had my first adult WTF moment with those nutjobs, and it's been downhill ever since.

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)
21. I'm Going Back To November 1968
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:12 PM
Mar 2012

I know Nixon wasn't the radical right wing nut that so many of today's republicans are, but what they heck was everyone thinking electing that guy.
GAC

Initech

(100,079 posts)
25. True - what were people thinking electing Nixon?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:20 PM
Mar 2012


Although giving Nixon the benefit of the doubt - the moral majority and fundamentalist insanity didn't start showing up until the 80's when Reagan got elected. As Bill Hicks said - "Ever notice how there's been a lack of intellectualism in this country - ever since around - oh 1980?"

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
71. I'd say they were thinking of the 1968 Democratic Convention
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:29 PM
Mar 2012

And the anti-war movement, which back then was viewed as simply a bunch of dirty hippies who wanted to tear down the US.

The old law and order thing, and the Democratic Party was not viewed then as the party of law and order. Just the reverse.

Just the opinion from someone who was an adolescent in 1968.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
75. Ha - OWS is viewed the exact same way.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:08 PM
Mar 2012

Just a bunch of dirty hippies who want to tear down the US. Same shit different year.

Mopar151

(9,983 posts)
80. Damm hippies and your pushback!
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:09 AM
Mar 2012

How dare you care! An ugly video, with a beautiful spirit.


Make it better? How dare you!

Initech

(100,079 posts)
81. I swear the Fox News crowd is in full on Gran Torino mode at this point.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:49 AM
Mar 2012

"GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!" and such.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
43. Nixon perfected the art of identity politics to a science
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:53 PM
Mar 2012

So his success was no mystery. It was he who started the trend of turning blue collar workers Republican by exploiting their hatret of gays, african americans, hispanics etc.

But what really irks me about the Nixon era was how quickly the hippies who were protesting against him all turned into corporate stooges in the 1980s when Reagan took over.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
94. Nixon started this latest craziness when he declared war on the kids,
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 11:55 AM
Mar 2012

a war that continues today. There was craziness long before that like lynchings, chain gangs, witch hunts, frontier justice....

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
47. Agreed: "Then tell me, "Future Boy", who's President in the United States in 1985?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:15 PM
Mar 2012

Marty McFly: "Ronald Reagan."

Dr. Emmett Brown: "Ronald Reagan? The ACTOR!!???"

Response to Initech (Reply #2)

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
100. That's exactly when
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:51 PM
Mar 2012

Reagen is the one that started this steady descent into a third-world theocracy.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
44. What?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

Truman Sent troops to Korea, arguing that the power to do so was inherent in the presidency. Presidents have been doing it ever since.

Response to Brigid (Reply #44)

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
63. And this turned the country into a nuthouse? I think the
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:18 PM
Mar 2012

South Koreans have a bit more freedom than those in North Korea. That in itself made the Korean action worth it.

It was a U.N. action,not a declared U.S. war.

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
85. Forgot the Korean War
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:25 AM
Mar 2012

but before that all the times the US marched into and bombed Mexico, the Cuban War
the Monroe Doctrine, etc.

Yes lots of precedents!

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
3. I'm not sure it was ever any different
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

except that at this point in time the nuts are running everything it seems.

Money Greed Money Greed Money Greed Money Greed

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
4. When wasn't it a nuthouse?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:42 PM
Mar 2012

There has always been ridiculous shit like this going on in one form or another.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
5. Don't forget about this one:
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

Cops drag an African American woman OUT OF THE HOSPITAL after she complains of extreme pain and the fact she didn't receive proper care. She couldn't even walk. They then dump her on the ground in a jail cell and she's dead 15 minutes later. She was only 29 years old:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002481930

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
18. Not to mention the one about the 60-year-old woman who had two flat tires and was charged
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:07 PM
Mar 2012

with felony resisting arrest. In that one a geico rep recording her call for a tow truck caught the cops "getting their story straight," so to speak.

Reality is what authority figures say it is. Good luck challenging their version if you don't get it on tape.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
45. This is minor by comparison, but how about the TSA making that woman in a Texas airport
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

remove her nipple ring with a pair of pliars because it was setting off the metal detector/wand. She offered to show a female TSA guard what it was, but they said 'no, you have to remove it.'

Very minor example, but still...so much for the land of liberty. Welcome to bat-shit-crazyville!

 

GopperStopper2680

(397 posts)
6. This article you wrote is quote profound.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:45 PM
Mar 2012

I wish I had a reply for you as to when the country started to feel like a battlefield. It started with the 'Republican Revolution' I'm sure.

The country has gone to hell. I feel like the storyteller in a good old song I know:

"Send me to the rear; where the tides of madness swell, and men sliding into hell. Oh please, don't let these shakes go on...."

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
12. you left out all the jackass-cop antics regarding ows
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:58 PM
Mar 2012

i think the next police levy i goto vote for will be a no thankyou

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
13. 1980, 1984, 1988, 1994, 2000, 2004, 2010 seem to be at the root of most of our current problems.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 03:59 PM
Mar 2012

Can you guess the common denominator?

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
15. What date did Joe McCarthy wave around that blank piece of paper that he
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:01 PM
Mar 2012

purported had lists of names of Communists in the U.S. Government? That's when.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
51. The whole McCarthy Army hearings ...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:26 PM
Mar 2012

Were to me when it started, or perhaps just after the war, when Nixon did a whole number on Helen Douglas for Congress seat in Orange County. Kept calling her a commie, with no proof.

I think it has been incremental, but there are times when things flame out, and I think that 46 to 54 things were pretty extreme.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
23. Good point. People always act like....people.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:16 PM
Mar 2012

It's just what we do. We can spend a lot of time justifying the irrational and the just plain crazy.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
33. ...and to think everybody pooh-poohed Y2K.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:30 PM
Mar 2012

We just didn't comprehend what the cosmos was telling us. It wasn't the computers (we soon-to-be-unemployed-and-unemployable fixed that, you're welcome) -- no, it was the appointment of a dimwitted alcoholic cokehead fratboy that sealed our fate. Not that it hadn't been brewing for several years...

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
82. I agree
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:56 AM
Mar 2012

Maybe it was a slow progression from the 90s on and all about 2000 on?
I have no data to back up my speculations, but I think most agree that anxiety over the new century did freak a lot of people out.

People started believing or questioning radical change and end days stuff in the 90s. It was easy to get people who wanted to be sure they were right with god to separate themselves from people with whom they didn't agree. Political split based on religion built- religious right gained more power.

Some who indulge in extreme self interest\preservation at a practical level joined forces with people motivated by religion to be safe- just in case. Demonizing others is a comfort and serves the agenda well. Good vs. evil. Clinton provided an unfortunate contribution. My point is not to demonize Clinton. It's a coincidence that it happened to be him. They would have found a way to demonize any Democrat in office at that time. We were extremely lucky to have him. There is no shortage of Democrats who would have gone all in with the agenda republicans created.

From what I can tell 2000 was perfect timing to solidify the formula that has been developed by Rs over time. Starting when Reagan recruited people with strong religious beliefs. There was actually a slight slide toward reason during the poppy years allowing Clinton to be elected. Again, we were very lucky to have him. Although, as Grover Norquist promised, he could not govern like a true blue liberal Democrat. And, the religious right's superstitions were stoked.

Then 2000 hit and survivalist meanness and superstitions escalated and morphed and have continued to do so since. All of the political tools have been implemented. Corporate greed and devaluation of people turned out to be a big money maker for the greedy survivalist and they have maintained the loyalty of the religious right.

I have noticed that a reaction to Obama has been for some racists to feel entitled to come out of the closet.

People who just felt reservations and cautiousness when it came to race now feel comfortable going all out.

It was a cultural shift that has persisted and grown because the people who were young- mid adults during those years coincided perfectly. Late baby boomers groomed
the current early- mid Xers who according to my connections and counts of middle age adults in high level and government positions appear to make up a considerable number of both.

I think it is too pervasive to be less than a cultural phenomenon. BUT many of the young adults I interact with now seem to want to reform our country.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
22. Didn't you hear? He shoplifted the Skittles!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:14 PM
Mar 2012

That's Gretchen Carlson's theory, anyway.

Fox News anchors and hosts are beginning to ask fair and balanced questions about the Trayvon Martin tragedy, and today the nation’s most popular news source is reporting, “no receipt was found by investigators for the candy or the tea Martin was menacing at George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watchman was forced to defend himself.”

The revelation came this morning on Fox and Friends during an interview with Bill “Bull” Lee, who has temporarily stepped-down as Sanford Chief of Police in order to act as Zimmerman’s official spokesman. Lee told the cast of the popular morning show, “After we stripped the dead suspect and tested him for drug and alcohol use and then dug under his finger and toe nails for any incriminating DNA, we checked his blood-soaked clothes for any kind of evidence of wrong doing. All we found was 34 cents and a couple of baseball cards.”

“That’s it?” Gretchen Carlson asked dismayed. “Seems to me that something was obviously missing: why wasn’t there a receipt for the pop [sic] and candy?

“We at the Sanford Police Department asked the exact same question, Gretchen,” Lee explained. “We concluded that the suspect must have stolen the candy and tea, and in my mind that bolstered Mr. Zimmerman’s self-defense claim.

http://slumz.boxden.com/f5/mar-23-fox-news-did-trayvon-steal-candy-tea-1724774/

niyad

(113,323 posts)
30. dear goddess--is that whole thing real? she actually said that?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:26 PM
Mar 2012

gee, how about--he threw the receipt in the trash???

really are desperately scraping bottom, are they not?

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
95. Not real --
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:08 PM
Mar 2012

Satire -- read to the end of the piece. I had to check it out myself cause it was JUST enough crazy enough to be believable.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
32. "I bought a donut - they gave me a receipt. We did not need to bring ink and paper into this transaction!"
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

- from the late great Mitch Hedberg

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
36. I was going to mention that
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:41 PM
Mar 2012

but I couldn't remember if it was Carlin, Hicks or Hedberg, three of my all-time favorite comedians.



I bought a doughnut and they gave me a receipt for the doughnut. I don’t need a receipt for a doughnut, I’ll just give you money and you give me the doughnut. End of transaction. We don’t need to bring ink and paper into this. I can’t imagine a scenario in which I would need to prove that I bought a doughnut. Some skeptical friend? ‘Don’t even act like I didn’t get that doughnut, I’ve got the documentation right here. Oh wait, it’s back home in the file... under ‘D’, for doughnut.’

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
35. Positively amazing
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:40 PM
Mar 2012

Apparently, carrying a gun gives the carrier all kinds of empathic, telepathic, and omniscient powers! Zimmerman knew, because he was carrying a holy relic of the High Church of Redemptive Violence, that Trayvon was a truant, a shoplifter, and had indulged in recreational drug use.

Guns! Is there anything they can't do? Besides undo the permanent damage of an impulse, I mean. Which isn't really the gun's fault. Or its manufacturer. Or the NRA. Or really even the person holding it. So stop saying that. Stop it, I say!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Oh, well...depends on who you ask.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:18 PM
Mar 2012

If you ask ME...I will say four dates totally ignored for their true significance.

January 17, 1961

November 22, 1963

December 12, 2000

September 11, 2001

There are a few more, but those are the four off the top of my head.

It FEELS sane sometimes in Our Nation, because we've had President Obama in office for going on 4 years and is partially responsible for ending much of the BFEE madness but not all of it. Hence why you feel the insanity and sanity in the nation. We just came off 4 years of unbelievable corruption, failure at the national level, bailouts and now a stock market heading higher on the DOW then at any time in our past. The Wealthy survived and now prosper better then ever, so us peons can only HOPE that means we will feel the tiny drops of money that fell through the cracks.

That's right, the sanity comes from the past 4 years, but the chaos is still very very much in charge of the day. We are just now feeling the true effect of the 8 years the BFEE controlled the nation and 'us the people'. We had no choice in the matter they cheated and started a war based on lies. THAT is going to be felt for decades...much to the chagrin of leftover neo and paleo-cons.
They will try their best (IE Lifes work) to distort the past 10 years as best they can. They don't want to be remembered for creating a police state.

Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
27. 10/12/1492
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:23 PM
Mar 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyages_of_Christopher_Columbus

"Land was sighted at 2 a.m. on October 12, by a sailor named Rodrigo de Triana (also known as Juan Rodriguez Bermejo) aboard La Pinta.[25] Columbus would later assert that he had first seen the land and, thus, earned the reward of 10,000 maravedís.[26][27] Columbus called the island San Salvador, in present day the Bahamas or the Turks and Caicos, although the indigenous residents had already named it Guanahani. Exactly which island in the Bahamas or Turks and Caicos this corresponds to is an unresolved topic; prime candidates are Samana Cay, Plana Cays, Grand Turk, or San Salvador Island (named San Salvador in 1925 in the belief that it was Columbus' San Salvador)."

Thanks for the thread, Brigid.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
29. Since our media got taken over by minority corporate interests who
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:25 PM
Mar 2012

pander to the nuthouse segment of our population to propagandize BS and undermine any effort of our public servants to govern in a common sense way. The Republican Party has done nothing but race baiting ever since the Civil Rights movement. It was more underground and coded in the past, but now they are just blatantly out there with it since they have pretty much taken over everything.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
67. I really wish we could send Newt, Murdoch and the Koch brothers to
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:20 PM
Mar 2012

colonize the moon, and then leave them there forever. They could establish their conservative/libertarian paradise and leave us alone!

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
37. Carlin
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Mar 2012
"When you're born, you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front-row seat."

JHB

(37,160 posts)
42. 1978
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

Conservatives like to say that liberals are stuck in 1968, but I think that it's conservatives who are stuck -- in 1978.

Liberals seem to run everything, ready to bring the country to ruin through decadence and capitulation to a relentless enemy, "you know who" showed they would loot and pillage as soon as the lights went out, taxes were too high, stagflation was ruining the economy, etc., etc., etc. (or at least, that's how they see it.)

And they're still pining for their dream-president, the Ron in their Minds.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
54. It's always been a nuthouse.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:34 PM
Mar 2012

The internet and blogs have just changed the way we learn and hear about it.

Maybe one day it will help bring about change.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
56. 1776 When we declared indepence as a country
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:36 PM
Mar 2012

I believe our country has always been unkind to minorities.

TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
58. You say "NUThouse" like it's a bad thing?
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:41 PM
Mar 2012

As a proud nut, I'm offended by the pervasive discrimination against nuts.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
59. Just Follow The Rise Of Rupert Murdoch
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:50 PM
Mar 2012

And the non-stop hate and lies passed along as news reporting. Murdoch simply pandered to the fears Americans have for his own personal gain. He is starting to get cut down to size with his criminal activity with phone jacking, etc., especially in the UK.

BB_Troll

(65 posts)
62. when the Buckeyes began to dominate EVERY sport!
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:03 PM
Mar 2012

I kid.
It all started with the rise of the "Moral Majority" in the 80s.

cyglet

(529 posts)
69. well...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

Religious nuts emigrate from England. They breed more religious nuts because they don't believe in birth control. Europeans stop emigrating. Religious nuts keep on breeding. They don't believe in an educated populace, and their leaders restrict funding. Voila.....

Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #79)

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
88. My father will tell you the exact moment,
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:43 AM
Mar 2012

The media coverage of the Watts Riot in 1965 where helicopter footage was played on a 24 hour loop for a solid week nation wide. That one event pulled the Republicans back from near total oblivion and unleashed the "silent majority" of cowering imbeciles who would tolerate anything in the name of protecting them from the scary people.

SmileyRose

(4,854 posts)
92. July 4 1776
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:02 AM
Mar 2012

or there abouts.

This whole experiment with a democratic republic is a beautiful and crazy thing.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
93. Guaranteed the next story won't be about white collar criminals being held accountable
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:38 AM
Mar 2012

This country is a nuthouse because the biggest criminals aren't held accountable and it has a huge effect on everyone else who knows this is not a place where the worst offenders are ever charged.

mikeSchmuckabee

(349 posts)
97. I'm guessing sometime between
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:36 PM
Mar 2012

the election of the first divorced president who couldn't possibly have catted around and the time a bunch of degenerates asked about another president getting some on-the-clock tail.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
98. when Gingrich passed his infamous Contract With America.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:26 PM
Mar 2012

If I could pinpoint one, precise time in which this fractious, divisive sense of "us vs. them" metastasized into its current form, it would be when Gingrich passed his infamous Contract With America.

I think this was because of an intersection of more than one social construct... there was a new sense of public vulgarity coming from hate radio, at first merely tolerated by, but soon thereafter adopted by a large segment of the population.

The offensives and attacks against trade unions, the educated, and the arts (curiously enough, the same things that Stalin and Hitler both used as whipping boys to better manage their own support base) had progressed from mere grumblings, though few actions (yes, I know there were some-- but they were still isolated AND newsworthy when they happened) to an outright legislative and social assault on them, which in turn enabled a landslide of judicial cases that would not have been heard had this environment not existed (e.g., United States v. Lopez, Colorado v. Connelly,, etc).

Some setbacks and defeats for the right, to be certain. But the *environment* of our culture began to get so much more divisive, a fractiousness based solely on identity politics than it had been prior to this moment in time. To be certain, there had been social conflicts in the past-- Viet Nam for one dramatic case, but Hawks were both republican and democrats, and were Doves.

The early nineties were the first time I became aware of people defining others based on nothing more than political party. That the knee-jerk reaction to a position was not based on the policy, or even the person, but merely on which side of the political divide it came from (this is why I have a wee bit of sympathy for liberals who own firearms-- as that's a most obvious example of a cause being further fractured by party politics rather than the merits of the position in and of itself).

Anything remotely connected to the Democratic platform was then targeted, and labeled as "a liberal idea". Civil rights, education, social justice, the good of the community, environmental sustainability, etc. became targets of Newt, Tom Delay, Rush Limabugh, et. al. not because they were right or wrong, not because they were an ethical contention, but only (*only*) because they were ideas associated with the left (a very recent and obvious example of this knee-jerk reaction would be Limbaugh's endorsement of the Lord's Resistance Army for no other reason than he believed Pres Obama would be sending peacekeeping troops to prevent them from further bloodshed and rapine).

And as social justice and civil rights became more and more demonized by the far right extremists, acts against social justice were, if not openly celebrated, tacitly tolerated by the far right, and then slowly being acculturated by the moderate right. To the point where we seem to be now-- a lot of people are defending (dancing though, may be a better word-- for they are far too cowardly to speak with the courage of their own convictions) Zimmerman from killing an unarmed black youth for no other reason than Trayvon was a black male.

 

Taitertots

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99. When was the world not a nuthouse?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:36 PM
Mar 2012

If anything I feel like it is becoming less and less nutty. We don't have to go very far back to reach a point where Trayvon and his family could have been lynched with no legal repercussions. That is a whole hell of a lot worse than it is right now.

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