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mackattack

(344 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:36 PM Mar 2012

Even if Martin did hit him

he would have every reason to. I dont think it happened the way Zimmerman says, but think about it. You are walking down the street doing nothing wrong and then some guy drives up, gets out of the car, and then starts harassing you. You dont know this guy, you dont know he is neighborhood watch and he was just on the phone with 911. All you know is somebody just came up to you in a threatening manner. Sounds like Martin had every right and obligation to defend himself.

I doubt there was really a fight, but if someone is chasing me and harassing me, there is every reason I should stand my ground.

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Even if Martin did hit him (Original Post) mackattack Mar 2012 OP
Zimmerman was not part of a neighborhood watch nt abelenkpe Mar 2012 #1
It doesnt matter if he was or not mackattack Mar 2012 #5
What part of "stand your ground" don't you understand -SARCASM- ashling Mar 2012 #13
I agree with you. Denninmi Mar 2012 #2
From the video footage in another thread Rex Mar 2012 #3
I read that Zimmerman arrived at the police dept 4 hours after the incident... HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #6
Video has a timestamp. It was about 30 mins after the incident. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #10
Incident happens at 7:17...Z. arrives at station house 7:52 alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #12
Nice alcibiades_mystery and jeff47. That completely disproves any potential for "he was cleaned up." joshcryer Mar 2012 #18
The video is not grainy. slampoet Mar 2012 #15
I was being sarcastic, it is not grainy in the least bit. Rex Mar 2012 #16
Media Has Their Talking Points SoCalMusicLover Mar 2012 #4
Apparently only caucasians are allowed to stand their ground tularetom Mar 2012 #7
Actually he wasn't the Neighborhood Watch. He was some self appointed yahoo who decided Ecumenist Mar 2012 #8
100% agreed. That's been my point all along as well. nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #9
"Stranger Danger" Quiet_Dem_Mom Mar 2012 #11
This is a huge point many in the media fail to mention. Jennicut Mar 2012 #14
I'm pretty certain you can't legally attack anyone who bothers you. Taitertots Mar 2012 #17
Under the 'stand your Ground' mackattack Mar 2012 #19
How is walking up to and talking to someone a reasonable threat? Taitertots Mar 2012 #21
Stand your ground laws are not carte blanc to murder anyone who bothers you. mackattack Mar 2012 #22
To my knowledge, witnesses confirmed his claims that he was being attacked n/t Taitertots Mar 2012 #23
Plus you have Zimmerman's Shankapotomus Mar 2012 #20
 

mackattack

(344 posts)
5. It doesnt matter if he was or not
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:41 PM
Mar 2012

He could be the King of Candyland for all I care. He started harassing someone. So what if Martin hit him. Is the new rule that people cant defend themselves when assaulted in the way Zimmerman assaulted Martin?

ashling

(25,771 posts)
13. What part of "stand your ground" don't you understand -SARCASM-
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:16 PM
Mar 2012

"stand your ground is not a defense available to the victim because the victim is, well, dead.

"stand your ground' is only available to the last man standing.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
2. I agree with you.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:37 PM
Mar 2012

The entire concept of the "neighborhood watch" bothers me. I don't need to be spied on in my own yard, on my own block or street. And I certainly don't need to be confronted by some vigilante/cop-wanna-be.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. From the video footage in another thread
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:39 PM
Mar 2012

the cops must have brushed Zimmerman off with a mini-hoover vac. He looked like he just stepped out of a nightclub imo...but the footage is GRAINY so I am probably wrong.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. I read that Zimmerman arrived at the police dept 4 hours after the incident...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Mar 2012

the police report says he was transported after Sanford Fire Dept was finished with first aid.

It didn't look like Zimmerman had the sort of injuries that would need of 4 hours of first aid at the scene.

anyone know what the timeline really is?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
12. Incident happens at 7:17...Z. arrives at station house 7:52
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:25 PM
Mar 2012

Four hour claim is just more bullshit coming from the desperate Zimmerman camp. They just lie now.

joshcryer

(62,270 posts)
18. Nice alcibiades_mystery and jeff47. That completely disproves any potential for "he was cleaned up."
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
Mar 2012

He didn't even have time to wash his hands. EMTs came, looked him over, saw nothing wrong with him, maybe a scratch or two that doesn't show up in the video, he went to the police station.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. I was being sarcastic, it is not grainy in the least bit.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:30 PM
Mar 2012

And I cannot believe a lawyer would use that lame excuse.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
4. Media Has Their Talking Points
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:40 PM
Mar 2012

Only Zimmerman is allowed to "stand his ground."

The script requires that George is the one in fear of his life, not Trayvon.

If Trayvon had done the shooting, do you honestly believe they would not have arrested him and thrown away the key?

But no racist bias here, nothing to see, move along.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
7. Apparently only caucasians are allowed to stand their ground
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:49 PM
Mar 2012

If either of the two was "threatened" it was Trayvon Martin. But if he had "stood his ground" and killed the guy who was stalking him, I guarantee the law would somehow not apply.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
8. Actually he wasn't the Neighborhood Watch. He was some self appointed yahoo who decided
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 04:51 PM
Mar 2012

to play cops and robbers with a VERY real gun and imaginary enemies.

Quiet_Dem_Mom

(599 posts)
11. "Stranger Danger"
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 05:23 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.police.co.nassau.ny.us/pubserve/StrangerDanger-color.pdf

A quick google search on the phrase "stranger danger" brought up this Nassau County Police Department parental guide PDF on how to talk to your kids about stranger danger. In the section on dealing with abduction situations, they suggest you tell your child this:

• “If a stranger is holding on to you, poke his/her eyes, pull his/her hair and even cause him/her to bleed. Fight back, bite, kick, run. DROP, KICK AND ROLL AWAY.”

We've told our kids the same thing...in the worst case scenario, do what you need to do to get away. All Trayvon knew is that a stranger was following him around by car and then by foot. So, who wouldn't expect Trayvon to defend himself?

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
14. This is a huge point many in the media fail to mention.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 06:45 PM
Mar 2012

Trayvon had every right to fight Zimmerman if that loon was harassing him by chasing after him. If someone is following me in a creepy way, I might try to run or I might try to confront the person. If it leads to punches, do I deserve to get shot and killed? Where is the justification that Zimmerman had to shoot Martin if he had no weapon on him other then his hands? Remember, Martin was younger and weighed less.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
17. I'm pretty certain you can't legally attack anyone who bothers you.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 08:56 PM
Mar 2012

If anything you would be giving them legal justification to shoot you.

You have no right to punch people in the face for bothering you.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
21. How is walking up to and talking to someone a reasonable threat?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:58 AM
Mar 2012

Your interpretation of the laws in incorrect. Trayvon would have no legal protections if he had shot Zimmerman.

Stand your ground laws are not carte blanc to murder anyone who bothers you.

 

mackattack

(344 posts)
22. Stand your ground laws are not carte blanc to murder anyone who bothers you.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 09:30 AM
Mar 2012

Apparently they are because Zimmerman was not charged.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
20. Plus you have Zimmerman's
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 08:07 AM
Mar 2012

own 911 account that Martin was running away after he saw Zimmerman. So, for the court case (if there ever is one), we have the defendants' own words showing us that Martin's first reaction to Zimmerman's presence was not confrontation, not violence, as Zimmerman later says lead to the deadly struggle, but to run, to avoid, to not seek a confrontation. This is a huge piece of evidence against Zimmerman.

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