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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEven if Martin did hit him
he would have every reason to. I dont think it happened the way Zimmerman says, but think about it. You are walking down the street doing nothing wrong and then some guy drives up, gets out of the car, and then starts harassing you. You dont know this guy, you dont know he is neighborhood watch and he was just on the phone with 911. All you know is somebody just came up to you in a threatening manner. Sounds like Martin had every right and obligation to defend himself.
I doubt there was really a fight, but if someone is chasing me and harassing me, there is every reason I should stand my ground.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)mackattack
(344 posts)He could be the King of Candyland for all I care. He started harassing someone. So what if Martin hit him. Is the new rule that people cant defend themselves when assaulted in the way Zimmerman assaulted Martin?
ashling
(25,771 posts)"stand your ground is not a defense available to the victim because the victim is, well, dead.
"stand your ground' is only available to the last man standing.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)The entire concept of the "neighborhood watch" bothers me. I don't need to be spied on in my own yard, on my own block or street. And I certainly don't need to be confronted by some vigilante/cop-wanna-be.
Rex
(65,616 posts)the cops must have brushed Zimmerman off with a mini-hoover vac. He looked like he just stepped out of a nightclub imo...but the footage is GRAINY so I am probably wrong.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)the police report says he was transported after Sanford Fire Dept was finished with first aid.
It didn't look like Zimmerman had the sort of injuries that would need of 4 hours of first aid at the scene.
anyone know what the timeline really is?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Four hour claim is just more bullshit coming from the desperate Zimmerman camp. They just lie now.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)He didn't even have time to wash his hands. EMTs came, looked him over, saw nothing wrong with him, maybe a scratch or two that doesn't show up in the video, he went to the police station.
slampoet
(5,032 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And I cannot believe a lawyer would use that lame excuse.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Only Zimmerman is allowed to "stand his ground."
The script requires that George is the one in fear of his life, not Trayvon.
If Trayvon had done the shooting, do you honestly believe they would not have arrested him and thrown away the key?
But no racist bias here, nothing to see, move along.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If either of the two was "threatened" it was Trayvon Martin. But if he had "stood his ground" and killed the guy who was stalking him, I guarantee the law would somehow not apply.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)to play cops and robbers with a VERY real gun and imaginary enemies.
TeamsterDem
(1,173 posts)Quiet_Dem_Mom
(599 posts)A quick google search on the phrase "stranger danger" brought up this Nassau County Police Department parental guide PDF on how to talk to your kids about stranger danger. In the section on dealing with abduction situations, they suggest you tell your child this:
If a stranger is holding on to you, poke his/her eyes, pull his/her hair and even cause him/her to bleed. Fight back, bite, kick, run. DROP, KICK AND ROLL AWAY.
We've told our kids the same thing...in the worst case scenario, do what you need to do to get away. All Trayvon knew is that a stranger was following him around by car and then by foot. So, who wouldn't expect Trayvon to defend himself?
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Trayvon had every right to fight Zimmerman if that loon was harassing him by chasing after him. If someone is following me in a creepy way, I might try to run or I might try to confront the person. If it leads to punches, do I deserve to get shot and killed? Where is the justification that Zimmerman had to shoot Martin if he had no weapon on him other then his hands? Remember, Martin was younger and weighed less.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)If anything you would be giving them legal justification to shoot you.
You have no right to punch people in the face for bothering you.
mackattack
(344 posts)laws you would. Zimmerman posed a reasonable threat.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Your interpretation of the laws in incorrect. Trayvon would have no legal protections if he had shot Zimmerman.
Stand your ground laws are not carte blanc to murder anyone who bothers you.
mackattack
(344 posts)Apparently they are because Zimmerman was not charged.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)own 911 account that Martin was running away after he saw Zimmerman. So, for the court case (if there ever is one), we have the defendants' own words showing us that Martin's first reaction to Zimmerman's presence was not confrontation, not violence, as Zimmerman later says lead to the deadly struggle, but to run, to avoid, to not seek a confrontation. This is a huge piece of evidence against Zimmerman.