but other parts of the world may have had shorter and warmer winters. Individual seasons in specific locations will continue to vary.

But global warming is determined not by how your winter or mine were. It's determined by average temperatures taken from all around the world.

The last few winters were exceptionally warm and short here in Maine; then this past winter harked back to earlier times. The brewing el nino may bring us back to short, warm winters for the next couple years.

And Australia had record-breaking heat and drought this past summer.

knows what AGW means; is it Anthropogenic Global Warming or Anti-Global Warming?

or Aggressive Ghost Watchers. I can't decide.

Clarity before brevity.

was exceptionally cold for days in a row. We need to redefine what we are talking about because this kind of winter does not seem to fit into the definition we are using right now. One of the things we may experience due to the freeze on Lake Superior is that we will have a late cool spring that will cause trouble with our growing season. So far it has only reached the low 50s and freezes at night again.

Let’s be clear: As Chris Mooney wrote here on Slate, winter does not disprove global warming. Yes, the temperatures are cold here in the U.S., but most of Europe is doing just fine. And while deniers chatter about the cold weather, they forget about the adjective “global”: Australia—where it’s summer—is having a massive heat wave, with some temperatures peaking over 50 C (125 F). In fact, 2013 was the hottest year on record in Australia, with temperature records broken all over the continent.

And nothing the deniers say about the polar vortex and frigid temps does anything to change the overwhelming evidence that the world is, on average, warming up, and we're the cause.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/01/08/climate_change_the_north_polar_vortex_and_global_warming.html

winters like this then they need to be included in the possible changes. What I heard the whole winter was this is was not any different than usual. I have lived up here since 1976 and this seemed very different to me.

"We need to redefine what we are talking about because this kind of winter does not seem to fit into the definition we are using right now."

The globe is still warming. It still fits. I am in SE WI and fully aware of the brutal winter we had.

you saying is that I am a denier. That is about as far from the truth as you can get. But if that is what you want fine have it your way. If these winters become a pattern then they have to be included in the idea of extreme weather not just more of the usual.

I'm not calling you a denier, I am responding to the words you wrote. You seem to think they have a point. I'm arming you with the facts that they do not.

Thanks for the thread, pscot.

had the Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell making direct references to the White House Climate Action Plan.

It is no longer a fantasy, or deniable, but will see if the lead is buried since it might hurt some of my back country readers.

Oh and here is the link to the actual report.

I scanned for lead, now I can read at my leisure.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/president27sclimateactionplan.pdf