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ithinkmyliverhurts

(1,928 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 07:07 PM Mar 2012

The origins of Stand Your Ground Laws?

Is it really this simple?

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/149674/its-coming-right-for-us

Sorry. I don't mean to make light of the seriousness and sadness of the situation, but if I don't laugh, I'll cry. I am simply inundated with emails about the liberal plot to make us all defenseless citizens so that Obamamuslimscuzzlebutt can have his way with us all and give us free prescription birth control so that we can all get laid with the gays. Or something.

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The origins of Stand Your Ground Laws? (Original Post) ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 OP
I think it goes back farther. saras Mar 2012 #1
Is Dunning Kruger the American mascot or what? ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #4
It's beginning to look that way, isn't it? saras Mar 2012 #6
They originated as the replacement to "duty to retreat" laws. TheWraith Mar 2012 #2
On a serious note . . . ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #3
And I'm still surprised there's no real discussion of this going on. ithinkmyliverhurts Mar 2012 #5
 

saras

(6,670 posts)
1. I think it goes back farther.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:14 PM
Mar 2012

The truth is, I'm over 50 and I've seen that same cop show my whole life. The one where the lone rogue cop knows who's the real criminal, goes after them outside the law and without evidence, gets them in a vicious splatterfest, and gets away with it. Isn't that the way cop shows go? And doesn't everyone want to be that cop?

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
6. It's beginning to look that way, isn't it?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:50 AM
Mar 2012

It's the problem with ignorance, after all. If everyone went around meekly admitting everything they didn't know, or how little data they used to form their opinions, it would be a completely different world. I think.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
2. They originated as the replacement to "duty to retreat" laws.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:19 PM
Mar 2012

Which said that you had to run away from someone attacking you, often even if you had to retreat from your own home.

ithinkmyliverhurts

(1,928 posts)
3. On a serious note . . .
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:34 PM
Mar 2012

Thanks for this. This makes complete sense. If you think about it, "duty to retreat" mirrors a clear Just War Theory, which, when followed closely makes it really difficult to go into war and then demands certain humane treatment once engaged. I'm not proponent of Just War Theory, but it's better than what we've got.

So if we look where we've been since Viet Nam (actually since Korea), you see that Just War Theory has slowly evolved into Preventative War the same way "duty to retreat" evolved into "STG." Fascinating. The psychology is identical. As it is with the South park clip.

ithinkmyliverhurts

(1,928 posts)
5. And I'm still surprised there's no real discussion of this going on.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 05:21 PM
Mar 2012

These sorts of laws seem to be degenerate and asking for legal problems, simply because stand your ground is so ambiguous in its application in a way "duty to retreat" is not.

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