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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:27 AM May 2014

Trey Gowdy’s embarrassing start

Posted with permission.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trey-gowdys-embarrassing-start#break

Trey Gowdy’s embarrassing start
05/08/14 09:14 AM
By Steve Benen


On Tuesday, the House Republican leadership formally announced it’s chosen Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) to lead the latest in a series of Benghazi committee investigations. On Wednesday, Gowdy made a “telling slip.”

Asked by MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough about the possibility that his panel’s work would continue into the 2016 election campaign, Gowdy replied that “if an administration is slow-walking document production, I can’t end a trial simply because the defense won’t cooperate.”


A trial? And the Obama administration is the defense? So much for that “serious investigation” House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) promised; his new chairman intends to play prosecutor, proving the administration’s guilt to the jury – in this case, the public.

It was no small admission. Publicly, GOP leaders insist their election-year charade is actually a credible search for the facts, wherever they may lead. They’re going into this process, not on a partisan witch hunt, but as responsible public officials. House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) assured reporters this week that this is going to be “a serious investigation.”

Except Gowdy accidentally told the truth on national television – he’s already convinced, before the process even starts, that the White House is guilty of wrongdoing, and the far-right congressman believes it’s his job to prosecute administration officials.

In other words, Gowdy effectively admitted that everything his own party is saying about the select committee is wrong.

Making matters considerably worse, the South Carolina Republican has not only prejudged the matter he hasn’t started investigating yet, he also seems badly confused about the basics of the Benghazi story itself.

Igor Bobic explained that Gowdy said this week he has three main questions: (1) Why was security lacking during the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks in the U.S.? (2) Why weren’t military units moving to support consulate personnel? (3) Why were references to “terrorist” and “attacks” edited out of the Obama administration’s talking points?

This is genuinely bizarre. Over the course of the last 20 months, the attacks in Benghazi have been thoroughly investigated, repeatedly, by a variety of entities. And as Bobic added, if Gowdy paid even casual attention to current events, he’d realize the answers to his questions are already readily available.

Gowdy has promised to bring a no-nonsense, “prosecutor’s zeal” to finding the answers and in examining the Obama administration’s handling of the attack. He has insisted he’s not interested in rehashing previous investigations by Congress or in “whether the appropriate questions were asked in the past.”

But the questions he’s asking now were asked in the past. And answered, too.

The congressman likely disagrees with those answers. But in his recent interviews, he hasn’t acknowledged that they exist.

If the congressman found himself struggling to keep up with the details shortly after the attack itself, it’d be easier to understand. But it’s been nearly two years – Gowdy has had plenty of time to get up to speed, especially if, as he claims, he’s taking these questions seriously.

Making matters slightly worse, Gowdy added on msnbc yesterday morning, in reference to developments in the region in the fall of 2012, “Well, how many people were harmed in the Middle East in that time period? The second goal or third goal of Ben Rhodes’ memo was to bring countries to justice for harming our citizens. What other country could they be talking about? I mean what else was being discussed after September 11, 2012 other than Benghazi?”

As Brian Beutler explained, Gowdy doesn’t seem to understand the basics of the matter he’s investigating: “{I}t’s frightening how likely it is that the chairman of the Benghazi committee isn’t intentionally misleading here, but has actually written the non-Benghazi events of September 11, 2012 and the days thereafter out of existence in his mind.”

Michael Morell, the former acting deputy director of the CIA, told Jake Tapper yesterday that Gowdy also “has a number of his facts wrong.”

What a polite way of putting it.
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Trey Gowdy’s embarrassing start (Original Post) babylonsister May 2014 OP
The whole thing is a farce, and they chose a creepy little man-child to lead it. TwilightGardener May 2014 #1
Is there any other kind in the republican party? Cha May 2014 #18
This is a boon for the Conservatives yeoman6987 May 2014 #27
Farce does not describe this bullshit witch hunt malaise May 2014 #2
Again if they do the conservatives will love it yeoman6987 May 2014 #28
His mother was a Malfoy pscot May 2014 #3
And his father smelt of elderberries. 11 Bravo May 2014 #6
There is something seriously wrong on the right upaloopa May 2014 #4
Help! Save us! johnnyreb May 2014 #5
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!1 UTUSN May 2014 #7
Put up a picture of Draco Malfoy....another DUer did this the other day.....nt msanthrope May 2014 #8
I always wondered where Jim Traficant's bad toupee ended up living. Ikonoklast May 2014 #13
The three points are not all of similar stature karynnj May 2014 #9
It's "To Kill A Mocking Bird" all over again maxrandb May 2014 #10
Good analogy. n/t freshwest May 2014 #22
Australia called. They want their kangaroos back. kairos12 May 2014 #11
Since the Republicans' anti-Obamacare attacks nyabingi May 2014 #12
Gowdy is a fucking idiot. nt TeamPooka May 2014 #14
At first I thought, Jeff Murdoch May 2014 #15
Whern you assign the banjo kid from The Wizard May 2014 #16
It's Part LXXVIII of the ongoing "Obama hasn't been vetted!" Series lolly May 2014 #17
Because they KNOW that you can't trust a black man. KatyMan May 2014 #21
It's Gowdy Doody Time ... napkinz May 2014 #19
Mark My Words... Blue Idaho May 2014 #20
Hoping, praying, and have every apendage crossed that you're right! n/t woodsprite May 2014 #26
the circus is in town ... move over Issa, there's a new clown in town napkinz May 2014 #23
Gowdy Dowdy speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Check his rebuke of the Repukes here: freshwest May 2014 #24
Witch Burning 101 KingBob May 2014 #25
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
27. This is a boon for the Conservatives
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:48 AM
May 2014

The Democrats and liberals hate it, but this is going to get the conservatives to the polls. That is the only reason they are doing this. We must counteract this and get our folks to the polls too. Conservative voters wanted this and the GOP is complying.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. Again if they do the conservatives will love it
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:49 AM
May 2014

I just can't imagine that the GOP is really happy about this. The Republican party is split in two and one side of that party wants this badly and the other probably thinks it is as stupid as the liberals.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. There is something seriously wrong on the right
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:57 AM
May 2014

It is like the 2012 election. The right manufactures facts that aren't true then believes their own bullshit and acts on it.
It is cognizant dissidence as an art form.

johnnyreb

(915 posts)
5. Help! Save us!
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:05 AM
May 2014

These are the representatives assigned us by South Carolina Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Koch, Honeywell, and various Planetary Waste Welcoming Commissions.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
9. The three points are not all of similar stature
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:30 AM
May 2014

The first two deal with security issues --- and that is what the HRC investigation that Pickering led dealt with (among other things.) The third point is the talking points. This really is not of the same importance.

Here, the question is not even the description of what happened - no one tried to question that there was an attack and the ambassador and two others died. What the Republicans have been arguing about goes to what the MOTIVATION of the attackers was. It also (conveniently) ignores the FIRST person to conflate anger because of the movie and Benghazi -- Mitt Romney.

The first action of Mitt Romney - hours after the news of the deaths was to blast the Cairo embassy for putting on their web site a statement that the US government did not agree with that film. That statement written BEFORE any attacks on Benghazi was IMO a very reasonable thing for people in that embassy to do to try to tamp down anger there. Romney argued it was wrong because in the light of the murderous attacks. Unfortunately for Romney, the country contrasted this craven political action with the dignity of Obama and Clinton in sadly meeting with the families.

The Republican anger seems to stem from the fact that, in their eyes, this should have hurt Obama. In fact, Romney was so consistently bad on the issue that, if anything, it hurt him.

Now, of course, there is the addition view that if everything were known, Obama would be impeached and Hillary Clinton would never run. (Oddly, they seem not to see that if Obama were impeached, Joe Biden would become President.)

maxrandb

(15,346 posts)
10. It's "To Kill A Mocking Bird" all over again
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:31 AM
May 2014

With Speaker Boehner as Judge Taylor, Trey Gowdy as Bob Ewell and the Obama Administration as Tom Robinson.

If only there were someone to play Scout Finch.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I guess a better analogy may be the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland; "Sentence First! Then Trial"

One thing is for sure, with this current batch of ass-pickles in Congress, there will be no problem finding a Mad Hatter or two.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
12. Since the Republicans' anti-Obamacare attacks
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:50 AM
May 2014

have either been proven wrong or are just proving to be totally ineffectual at convincing an electorate it is evil, they are desperate to find something to tar Democratic candidates with before the November elections.

They've opted for the "keep it in the headlines and somehow the public will believe something is shady with the whole Benghazi thing" approach.

Jeff Murdoch

(168 posts)
15. At first I thought,
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:35 PM
May 2014

Why is a second term back - bench guy being given this? Then I saw that he was a prosecutor, and became very clear.

Welcome to the Impeach Obama panel.

lolly

(3,248 posts)
17. It's Part LXXVIII of the ongoing "Obama hasn't been vetted!" Series
Thu May 8, 2014, 01:21 PM
May 2014

Republicans started with the premise that Obama was an evil, stupid (but very crafty!), treasonous, Socialist/Communist/Fascist Muslim out to destroy American. They internalized this from the beginning as Absolute Truth.

The last 7 years reflect their outrage and astonishment at Americans for not seeing what, to them, is soooo obvious.

So we get event after event that is supposed to finally wash the scales from our eyes.

Remember the meme that went around for a year or so about how Obama hadn't been properly "vetted" by the press. We only voted for him in 2008 because we didn't know the truth!

They were sure they had him in 2012--Romney's supreme overconfidence was, I suspect, due to his faith in the belief that Obama's perfidy and unfitness for office had surely become apparent, and Americans would flock to him now that they'd realized their mistake.

This "trial" is another in that series. They just KNOW he must have done something wrong--now they just need to shine attention on it long enough so we will wake from our slumber and see the error of our ways.

Lather, rinse, repeat. It's what happens when your beliefs are all based on gut reaction or faith. You already know the truth, you just have to keep digging and repeating your claims until the rest of the world comes around to your way of thinking.

KatyMan

(4,207 posts)
21. Because they KNOW that you can't trust a black man.
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:46 PM
May 2014

I still believe that's what it all comes down to, a black man running the country.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. Gowdy Dowdy speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Check his rebuke of the Repukes here:
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:38 PM
May 2014
Republicans stick with Benghazi cash grab 


Republicans have no intention of listening to Trey Gowdy.

A number of Republican candidates and conservative groups have openly used the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks in Benghazi, Libya, as a cash grab. And that’s likely to continue despite a strongly worded rebuke from the new chairman of the Republican select committee assigned to investigate the response to the attacks.

Gowdy, a South Carolina Republican, commented on MSNBC Wednesday that he and fellow Republicans should not fundraise off “the backs of four murdered Americans” — creating a new standard by which the party can be judged and opening the GOP up to charges of past, present and future hypocrisy.

That’s put the party in an awkward spot. Republicans on Capitol Hill are eager to lend the looming committee investigation into the murder of four Americans an air of sobriety, dignity and seriousness. But political strategists are eager to mobilize the GOP base and amp up grassroots fundraising by capitalizing on the base’s outrage over how the Obama administration handled the attacks.

The 2012 consulate attack and accusations of a White House cover-up are catnip for grassroots donors and activists. And Benghazi — and the select committee assigned to investigate it — is a key part of the GOP fundraising and mobilization strategy. This week, the National Republican Congressional Committee rolled out a new fundraising campaign called “Benghazi Watchdogs” — an effort by the aiming to raise money off Gowdy’s new position. Publicly available domain registration data shows that the site was registered Tuesday.


A lot, lot more of their reasons for this at the link:

http://politi.co/RsDGyW

Which has led to this:

Disgusted Democrat Slams Republicans for Running the House Like a Political Circus


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024922491

Just because we need a laugh:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024926651

KingBob

(150 posts)
25. Witch Burning 101
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:50 AM
May 2014

He and the rest are just witchburners. Facts do not interest them. Assigning blame (most likely wrongly) is the only order of business here. It seems Issa's attempts have not been sufficient.

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