Sid

deployed snipers to assassinate OWS protestors.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&address=10024910888&info=1#recs


Making the greatest page ain't so sign of merit.

DU classic. Though moon bombing is probably still my favorite.

http://www.dailypaul.com/288556/clapper-and-feinstein-get-caught-lying-big-time#comment-3103138

miracle you make it out to be.

I guess not.

Tin foil hat is in order here

"Tiger Beat" magazine for disgruntled ex dems; the fans are swooning and rushing to defend his honor, as if he was a "messiah"... it's almost as if he has "cultists", who are "apologists" for whenever Greenwald exposes himself as an utter asshole.

with cries of "you never loved him!", dancing in your head...



NOTE: all the stuff in quotes is hurled at DUers daily; the ones support Obama and the Dems

Really

I guess you don't like it when the same exact words are used towards different people, do you?

idea what irony is.

I have to agree with you, Sid.

Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

GG has become completely insufferable and his cheerleaders here are starting to look like fools trying to defend this tweet. His entire life has become about trashing the US - even at the expense of over 200 girls getting kidnapped and sold into slavery. He's nothing but a hack and while I never really had much respect for him, now I have zero.

That's like the fifth time I've seen that statement today.

Something tells me you wish you could.

Why takes side when they are both so amazingly stupid.

Greenwald is a heartless cruel uncaring Libertarian asshole.

in projecting their own ideas of what Greenwald was saying onto his tweet than in actually asking him to elucidate in a longer post that wasn't limited to 140 characters.

The hate squad would rather shart themselves.

which all too many DU'ers conveniently ignore.

and a plethora of posts, some lengthy and barely readable, attempting to explain a 21-word tweet from the World's Most Misunderstood Journalist.

And then there are the grammar "lessons": "Look, if you take out the gist of the tweet, it means exactly the opposite! What are you, a numbnutz or something?".

Maybe he can get someone at First Look at Me Media to do an essay...

"I'm an asshole."

He can just keep retweeting.

I personally find the tweet to be open to several interpretations, and am not really a fan of 'tweeting' anyway. But if he would step up and at least clarify in more detail what he was trying to communicate, the ensuing pro-anti fight on this particular issue could be put to bed, and not dragged on forever as meta.

It may turn out to be as ugly as what the 'anti-GG' folks think - Lord knows we've seen plenty of folks on the left with feet of clay, who have important messages on one issue, but repulsive ideas on others.

(whoever the hell wonkette is)

I may disagree with Greenwald over sending military assistance, but I understand his point.

Not surprised to see that, its common to see GG words twisted by rabid kool-aid drinkers.

Greenwald could say, "I think the USA's foreign policy has been severely lacking for the past decade"

And their typical response/interpretation would be - "Communist! Traitor! Why do you hate America?"

Im actually very upset with some of the things the president has done, or rather lack of things...
and I still think GG is pompous ass that's full of shit (that fake picture of the 'laptop' that was smashed in one of his articles.. which he claimed right under the photo WAS THE ACTUAL LAPTOP was nothing but random PERSONAL COMPUTER *not laptop* parts.. was the final straw for me and prove of deception)....


Sometimes theres grey areas.. :p


Why is it, in yours and some others minds, that if you disagree with the praise of GG you automatically live in Obamas behind?

Youre only making yourselves look foolish in making those kinds of ASSUMPTIONS.

I think they call that "selling it"

So much for serious discussion on the issues.

When the President's most ardent admirers kept saying that Will called Obama a piece of shit?

Even when presented with the actual quote which showed they were wrong, they kept repeating it, over and over again.

“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”
― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked

The only thing GG has had to say about this is to trash the US - just like everything he has to say. He ignores Russia's anti LGBT behavior because his puppet Snowden is there and now he's deflecting from this horrific situation for his own self serving reasons. Not one word in support of these women or the people trying to help (at the request of the Nigerian government). He's disgusting.

I'd actually forgotten her.

It was bought out...I looked it up on Wikipedia.

Not an insightful being is he?

So far as I know, there is not one statement or recorded recollection that mentions Bush asking about the damage to the PEOPLE of Manhattan in those hours after the attack. I waited for that. I never heard it. "Act of war." Who said that? Who allowed that stupidity which elevated al qaida to a nation state and bin Ladin to a head of state? Who failed to stop that framing?

Bush nauseated and terrified me from the getgo on 9/11 but GG was all good with it? How?

want to get laid, and smoke dope. He only "evolved" when Iraq became a royal clusterfuck.

It isn't the first time he's expressed his disdain. Not sure why he doesn't just show me the door.

I wouldn't have known about the Wonkette piece without it.

So glad to see so many folks standing up to Republican hate and bs. The comments are absolutely priceless.

why not...

weighed in on the crap ACA lies that were circulated here. I think people sometimes forget that Skinner, even though he is overly tolerant (IMHO), has set out the mission for this board, and at the end of the day, he rules the roost.

due to the Palin-esq quality of the writing I was sure it was satire, but it's so much like the inane Greenwald smears we regularly see here, I decided it's real.

but I rec'ed your thread because it upset Sid.

I see articles like this all the time and it's what passes for journalism these days.

Tweets are for twits.

I've followed links to some remarkable dissenting and diverse voices from all over the world. It can be uncomfortable at times but I've never been an advocate for intellectual comfort. It is more a global platform for politics than any other that I have encountered.

I follow a few DUers but zero personal friends.

...can't adequately begin to be enough space to make a cogent statement or argument in 140 characters. I understand the point he was trying to make about war and in particular our role in killing so many innocent people, but he made it badly.

- No, terribly.

Only the American military helicopters?

Sorry!

My point was that lots of people have lots of problems, all over the world, and it is not the US's mission to solve them all. If they need more helicopters for the rescue mission, I'm Derain we have extra.

I can appreciate the need for Nigerian government to fix this, and not be seen as unable to deal with their own terrorist problem, or have the current political reform movement be seen as weak by opposition.

I was just curious what capabilities the Nigerian air force had today.
Five russian attack helicopters is not much... which was why I posted it.

To your point it looks like many countries are sending advisors and equipment

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nigeria-offered-canadian-gear-to-help-search-for-kidnapped-girls-1.2634968

one-by-one being flung under the DU bus until now there are so very few left to cite.

He's a libertarian, always has been, always will be.

He's an anti-government type, not a leftwinger.

Voting rights, discrimination, reproductive choice, health care, social justice, unemployment, infrastructure, education, global warming.

He doesn't give a fuck about any of that stuff. He only cares about the evil gubmint and how to combat it.

moreso referring to Wonkette, who also has been a reliable cite on DU.

Libertarians hated Bush starting in 2005.

Hence the overlap/agreement with folks at DU back then.

When GG was busy sucking up to the bush administration supporting the Iraq invasion and the Patriot Act he was certainly not popular here. His cheerleaders here just like to forget that part of his writing. I'm in complete agreement with Wonkette.

So in a way you are right, Greenwald wasn't "popular on DU" then because no one had a clue who he was or what he thought.

How you can think he was unknown in the age of the internet is bewildering.

The only reason we know what Greenwald thought before he became well known is that he told us after the fact in one of his books.

I was a regular on Salon at the time Glenn moved there from Unclaimed Territory, his original blog, and I've actually argued directly with him in his feedback and gotten responses from him. He was one of just a few Salon authors/bloggers who would engage directly with his readers in the feedback letters.

Rather like John Cole at Balloon-Juice, Glenn was to a big extent educated by his readers.

the mold of Pat Buchanan, his warmed over paleo-conservatism would not play as well as it does now.

Go ahead, show me anything to back up what you're claiming, anything at all.

to do homework for you. I've been here much longer than you and know what I'm talking about. I think Greenwald is nothing but a narcissist who uses people (most recently Snowden) to further his outrageous outrage about the US. Frankly, I'm bored with the subject of him - he's simply not that important and I'm certainly not going to waste one minute of my time proving something that's true.

I've been here longer than you have, and you can't prove your assertion, because it's just not true.

"Voting rights, discrimination, reproductive choice, health care, social justice, unemployment, infrastructure, education, global warming.

He doesn't give a fuck about any of that stuff. He only cares about the evil gubmint and how to combat it."

...there's also this GG gem regarding the infamous CU decision:

http://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/

Isn't that wrong? Lock step? I always thought that was wrong.

1) Greenwald tweeted that after being shown an oped about the kidnappings that only mentioned military intervention in passing. He missed the larger point of it, which was a call for Westerners to show solidarity with the girls.

2) Given this, Wonkette's reaction was entirely understandable. Greenwald has a history of simply finding any way possible of criticizing the US, and using a frankly smug tone when he does. That he took that one line and ran with it is infuriating, even if he does have a point.

3) Greenwald's tweet was utterly tone deaf. It's the implication that communities showing solidarity with others across the globe are too stupid to realize they're being played by the MIC which we see constantly with cases like this.

Wonkette had him pegged perfectly--it's his typical "the US can only do evil outside his own borders" schtick.

He doesn't give a fuck about human rights in Africa.

You care deeply.

Greenwald and his fellow travelers the Koch brothers.

And I've never praised Ron Paul, or called for deporting 'illegals' like Greenwald has.

to the anti-government rightwing movement of the 1990's. He genuinely believes the US government is evil and should be scaled back.

But he's a progressive.

your bitter tears are nectar to my soul.

impersonation of a petulant 8yr old!

i am worried about some of the anti greenwald folks on some of these threads! i hope they remember to breathe! :O

funniest meltdown over misrepresentation of a tweet i ever saw!

just sayin

love it. the fact it was alerted on, then complained about to skinner when the jury didn't hide who then actually commented from Olympus pretty much makes it classic.

etc

It has epic disaster written all over it.

Should we send in the drones? Then they'd probably all be dead.

Oh but, "We had to kill them to save them" etc.

What exactly does anyone suggest we do? Is he wrong in his assessment that this would be not go well for anyone?

Expecting some kind of "Raid on Entebbe" moment is, I think, a mistake. It's not like they'd all be in one place, say a conveniently placed aircraft.

House to house, village to village searching would no doubt be required. And we know how well that has gone in other places.

What would be enough? Gas chambers for a certain ethnicity?

Keep crying...

I'm going to side 100% of the time with Rebecca Schoenkopf?, who I actually respect as a journalist.

Fuck Glenn Greenwald, that seditious piece of shit. I'll continue to boycott wherever he's working as time goes on. It doesn't even matter what he's saying now..."gnosthenes eth philon" (Classical Greek for &quot A man is) known by(or from) his friends.&quot Greenwald's past associations are sufficient to damn all present and future works.

I understand that some posters here despise Glenn Greenwald, but seriously-- is Wonkette's position the one you want to take?

For around 1% of the people on the planet.

partisan tools in both parties to drink the koolaid and bankroll the whole endeavor.

even if not wanted. I personally don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether we should militarily intervene in Nigeria to rescue those women (especially when there are so many women on the streets of the US that were stolen from elsewhere). However, I agree that there are times when limited military intervention is needed--particularly when it comes to human rights violations.

He's a lying asshole piece of shit who cares nothing for over 200 girls being taken hostage. He only cares about his own Libertarian self.

stirring as much shit as you can as fast as you can. I'm sure those poor girls will be comforted by your noble efforts in here.