GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

I guess we are playing tit for tat here. All sides need to come to some resolution or this back and forth stuff will continue to happen forever. At a gay guy, I really don't want all this bickering going on. I can't keep up with all the boycotts all over the place going on and then the places that are pro-gay keeping up with that list. I wish everyone would just get along. This is not rocket science here.

I love that line, "I can't keep up with all the boycotts all over the place going on and then the places that are pro-gay keeping up with that list"
And its not just pro-gay, think of all the other stuff too. There's companies that advertise on some show some dont like, owned by Koch brothers, wal mart, non union, etc etc.
It ends up being a part time job trying to keep up with it all!!

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT! You twisted, hateful version of Don Quixote.

Nothing more

I shall repeat a particular comment by Dale Hansen, Dallas sports anchor for ABC local affiliate WFAA. Most of you have probably already read or heard his comment, which is quite appropriate for the subject of this topic.

You beat a woman and drag her down a flight of stairs, pulling her hair out by the roots? You're the fourth guy taken in the NFL draft. You kill people while driving drunk? That guy's welcome. Players caught in hotel rooms with illegal drugs and prostitutes? We know they're welcome. Players accused of rape and pay the woman to go away? You lie to police, trying to cover up a murder? We're comfortable with that. You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far!

Involvement in an illegal interstate dog fighting ring, sign on to the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm quite sure there are many more out there.

History bears repeating: The Michael Vick investigation began in April 2007 with a search of Bad Newz Kennels, located on Vick’s Virginia property. We at the ASPCA were involved early on, assisting in the recovery and analysis of forensic evidence from Vick’s property, including carcasses and skeletal remains of numerous....
This was not a crime of passion or a case of obliviousness. Michael Vick was fully involved in a six-year pattern of illegal activity that included dogs being savagely electrocuted, drowned, and beaten to death.

Now years later >March 26, 2014
On Friday, the New York Jets signed Michael Vick to a one-year contract worth $5 million!!!!......................'.We're comfortable with that. You love another man? Well, now you've gone too far! ' Ain't that the truth..

http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/why-we-cant-forget-michael-vicks-dog-fighting-past/

EDit to add: I am not sure how these haters view animals though
They may feel they are dominant over the earth - a chosen species , so maybe they would not think Vick's actions are disgraceful even if they thought about it
Heck some of those other actions mentioned may be due and just in their book too !!

Michael Vick spent real time in prison. He didn't get a slap on the wrist. He didn't walk away scot free. Prison.

Now he got out, and has worked hard at his job, and he gets paid like the others performing the same job. He did NOT get some kind of reward for running a dog fighting operation. If he was a manager at a Waffle House, nobody would care one bit.

Now I admire Michael Sam for coming out and being true to himself. Whether or not he has the ability to be a good football player remains to be seen. Protesting a team willing to hire a gay player is the height of idiocy.

Besides, in 5 years there are going to be dozens of players who've come out. It's like they're standing outside with a storm coming and yelling at nature to stop raining.

any of the scenarios listed by the Dallas sports anchor for ABC or Vick
Only has a problem with a gay player

The purpose of his campaign is to pass legislation that would ban openly gay players from playing in the NFL, and vowing to boycott against the team that drafts him.

Whether he is a good player for the team is not what he is boycotting

But there were howls from a lot in Atlanta who cursed Blank for that decision. Some even tried to make it racial. It's died down since Vick has never been able to beat the Falcons, but believe it or not, some STILL want him back

Another pompous twerp who thinks he actually is important in some way.

He wants to pass legislation penalizing private businesses like the NFL and the teams for their hiring practices?

Some Republicans might have a problem with the government intruding on their businesses like that, you know, the massively wealthy ones THAT OWN THE FREAKING NFL.

And how does the sexuality of one NFL player "trample the Christian community and Christian values"?

What is he, Godzilla?

That guy must be one huge DE.

Not saying all NFL fans do this. Or do they?

and other opposing teams of the Raiders, but I don't drink. So I've only got it 1/2 down.

you probably have to swear more than every one excepting Browns fans

I am a lifelong Steelers fan. After the 70's, the 80's were very hard to live through.

he says it stands for Boy I Love Losing Superbowls

I drink beer and swear at my own team

I never even knew what gay was. I just never liked his music.

Now I appreciated him for what he has done and who he is. Still don't care for his music much though.

I don't live in the small town anymore.

married a woman in 1984. He was married 4 years before he decided he was actually homosexual.

The way I see it, all those years of low dose magic bisexual rays probably built up an immunity for you. Just my theory, actual facts may vary.

so they hadn't got the agenda together yet

Think that being gay is so inviting that people will become gay just by knowing there are gay people. This is general to the right wing. They also think communism is so compelling that the only way to defeat it is to make sure people hear as little as possible - they will convert as soon as they know about it.

for other industries. He is very active in K street with the petroleum business and the restaurant business. No, he does not want to have any carbon credits, and all that. And that minimum wage, would be best if we got rid of it. And those are the top of the long list. Shoot me now, when you start recognizing these people from OTHER stories you have written you need a break.

And yes, he is very effective in other industries. I think here he will come across the people who LOVE Monday Night football, but that will be a rare defeat. He is extremely effective at what he does.

even approached a lesbian couple with dollars in hand to please come home with him for a three way. The guy is as pathetic as they come. He also likes to target teenage girls, too - thinks of himself as a really smooth dude, when he's actually just pitiful.

The country ignores this putz at its peril.

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Ban an 'openly gay' player from playing? Are you frickin' serious?

I don't even like sports, but even I know that no group of fundies is a match for the NFL. This will be a metaphorical bloodbath of epic (and comic) proportions!

However, from what I've heard re his performance at combine and other events it sounds like it's not going to be concerns over his sexuality that keep Sams out of the NFL.

I'm guessing some team will happily sign a guy who can help them win.

but I'm sure some team could use him as a 3rd-down pass rusher at the very least. I say he goes in the 6th/7th round.

In terms of size, he kind of reminds me of Brandon Graham, a guy my favorite team, the Eagles, would probably like to trade away since they shifted to the 3-4 last year.

He might get drafted, but I think he probably won't. But that doesn't really matter. If he's not drafted, some team is going to give him a shot as a UDFA (Undrafted Free Agent). He will be in an NFL camp this summer with a shot to make a team.

I agree that he could carve out a niche as a non-starting pass rush specialist. He seems like a high character, high effort guy that would make a good special teamer and that might be enough to get him on an NFL roster.

As it is, his (relative) lack of speed might disadvantage him in the pros.

6 inbred morons show up and wave signs at 60,000 fans for 20 minutes, then leave.

Yawn.

no one will care. Every bar he goes to people will buy him a beer. What year is this Jack Burkman living in? Sheesh!

but this clown did. Even the fox news host stepped back from him

They pretty much play by different rules than Fox News plays… Mostly.

The Fox network uses the public airwaves, and so falls under the purview of the FCC. Fox News, as a cable/satellite-only channel, doesn't.

"not every Republican is a bigot,
but every bigot is a republican."

Doesn't that make you bigoted towards Republicans?

still it's mostly true, I think, if a bigot is political.

The have has on going boycott of Disney for how many decades now?

I don't think boycotts work out the way they think they do for them.

Besides most are poor, they have lots of kids, the church gets at least 10% of whatever they earn, a big chunk also goes to guns and ammo too and besides unless they have season tickets nobody will even care and even then there are plenty of people in line to buy season tickets for football.

Boycotts by gays work because gays have plenty of discretionary MONEY to spend which corporate America wants.

So good luck with your NFL Boycott RWNJ's!

seen anything from him.

He was one of the talking heads that endlessly droned on about how awful Clinton was.

WHO spends Sunday in church?

Religion is fading and this guy is part of the reason.

If Sam is good, the Packers would take him.

.... so we can establish once and for all just how much actual power these fucking stupid shit Evans have. I'm betting little and getting littler.

And if one of them is gay, it somehow attacks it as a value?

Where is that in the Bible again?

it's more important to them to save unborn babies from those evil abortion-fetishizing harlots than adult men suffering long-term health consequences from a Man's Game(TM).

1. Can he play? NFL teams don't care about anything but that.

2. The NFL itself is printing (tax free ) money anyway so they will never feel it or care. Hell, give up your season tickets if you want, just watch out for the mass of people going the opposite direction to snatch them up.

This would make me want to draft him more, for the free publicity.

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This is a no brainer for the NFL. The only real question is can Sam play
in the league? Sam is too small to play D-line and he might be too slow to
play @ linebacker but a smart team might be able to use his skills someplace.

Well, lah de freakin' dah!

team merchandise from the team willing to take a chance on MS and make him a part of their team, even if it's the frigging *Patriots or Dolphins!

*(For non-NFL fans, they would be the biggest rivals of the Bills, as they reside in the same division and play them twice each season.)

This is still football, not a class in sexuality.

I don't see this as an issue except for inbred bible thumpers.

I hate football jerseys but would happily buy one w/ Sam on the back, because voting with your pocketbook works.

The fundies already think NYC and San Francisco are Sodom and Gomorrah (the ones in the Bible were a little closer together) so why not the Jets, Giants or 49ers?

refuse to support their team just because they hate Michael Sam for being born gay, all the good people who like football will not stand for it, and rally to support teams, and show the bigots that their hate bullying will not be effective.

Their evil little plan will backfire.

Not likely to get the results he hopes for.

Not a football fan any more and the draft was last night but did not see if he was picked up

Anyone know???

Draft lasts for three days though

It is not that difficult!

I guess they make a big old production out of it now for TV and to make money.

Anyway thanks guess someone will post if he gets picked up.

A team doesn't know in advance exactly which players will be available when it picks, so when it's that team's pick the staff will often need some time to decide whom to take.

In addition, there are draft-day deals. Two teams might swap their picks in a particular round, with the team that moved down getting compensation in the form of the other team's pick in a later round. More complicated deals have also occurred. Negotiating such deals sometimes occurs during the last few minutes before a team has to make its decision.

But, yes, there is a "big old production" element of it, too. Football fans have gone months without a game and even the next preseason exhibition game is still months away, so the NFL takes this opportunity to give them a football fix.

I have never heard of this group but we should be able to counter their efforts

It will be laughed at and ignored.

Each time this sort of thing happens with the LGBT community as target, it happens because last time not enough straight people actively opposed it. It keeps happening, and that indicates that it does need active opposition.

Other than ignore them and enjoy the product they want boycotted. Which is what will happen, overwhelmingly, in this case.

These people want attention. It's time to stop announcing what their intentions are through the media. They should be ignored, like when skinheads or the Klan announce a rally. They do not speak for anyone in any community other than their own tiny twisted one.

on O'Donnell and other shows. He is a younger, more amiable conservative. And obviously, a huge tool. MSNBC better discontinue business with this guy; now that he's shown his TRUE self, he is bad for business.

Even in bible thumping Jacksonville, think this would not be an issue. Most of the fundies don't go to games anyway, they don't like the cussing and drinking and risque dress seen at games. Guarantee you if they dogged a Jag, they would hate the experience of the other true fans turning against them, getting them tossed by the police if the fundies continue to cause trouble.

that boycott would get any traction. I'd pick him just to spit in their faces if I was the decision maker.

These religious groups are loud and ignorant.

I don't follow football at all, which is heresy in The Land of the Black and Gold, but I might be tempted to pick up a little tchotchke to commemorate the team that selects Mr. Sam.

Does this nut think a boycott of a gay player would be effective in, say, San Francisco? Or New York? Maybe his gay-fightin' evangelical group would get some traction in Atlanta or Dallas, but not in the blue states.

over this. Football fans are pretty loyal to their teams.

Arizona was one of the last holdouts in creating an MLK holiday.

The NFL threatened to pull the Superbowl out of Phoenix over it.

The far right bigots kicked and screamed and printed bumper stickers and threatened damnation - but Arizona got an MLK day.

I remember those bumper stickers very well:

NFL - GO TO HELL!

They didn't work then, and they won't work now.

to hire a Latino head coach, the first to hire a black head coach in the modern era, and the first to have a female executive. Perhaps they will add another first to this distinguished list...

Will get more support from the LGBT community and friends than they lose from this boycott by bigots.

Just asking.

In the late 70s the (fundamentalist Baptist) church (in Dallas) we attended would often re-arrange worship service times so as not to conflict with Cowboys early games.


It was the only good thing they ever did.

Old North Carolina joke: why do Sunday beer sales start at noon and NASCAR races at one? So you can stop at the grocery store on the way home from church and still see the driver introductions.

Sam should sue his ass if he doesn't get drafted because he's gay.

Mr. Burkman has strong homosexual tendencies. I have no idea. However, I believe men who are extremely homophobic may be worried about their own sexuality.

If Sam has the ability to play in the NFL, why should an idiot like Burkman be able to stop him?

supporting pro ball? HA HA that's hilarious .. can anyone say idiot.

Why don't they speak out against this bull shit?
Their silence is deafening.

The rantings of an irrelevant old moron? I just don't know what you are expecting.

We are laughing at an idiot. A boycott of the Rams will do absolutely no good. They handful that try it will look foolish, so why do anything? They'll just look foolish on their own while St Louis fans will still buy tickets.

More telling about the public's reaction to the news of his draft was when they televised his draft and the audience began chanting "Michael Sam! Michael Sam!"

No one needs to do anything in retaliation. All the fans need to do is buy his jerseys and chant his name at games. In other words, ignore the idiots and show Sam some love.

But, thanks. I think you are right.

Sometimes you just have to let the village idiot speak. Why give them any more attention by addressing it? The fans will do more to them if they physically protest a game than any church group would ever do-which is why this protest will never fly. Can you imagine a group of these morons in front of the Edward Jones Dome, picketing during a tailgate? Or even better:they extend the protest to all St. Louis teams and decide to protest the Cardinals outside of Busch Stadium or the Blues outside of Scottrade Center?

In a case like this, no words are necessary. They will open their mouths and spew their garbage while the fans will buy his jerseys and tickets might actually sell out.

(FYI-had a call last night from a friend. They're talking about road tripping sometime this fall and taking in a weekend. I live about 3 1/2 to 4 hours from STL-I'm in the KC market. Go up on a Friday, take in the zoo and a few museums and then tailgate and watch a game on Sunday-sounds perfect!)

And tell me that they aren't really excited in the STL-Sam's highlight tape is one of the most popular views on the Rams website, along with ticket purchases. http://www.stlouisrams.com/videos/videos/NFL_Network_Michael_Sam_is_a_Good_Fit/765fbc2e-3c81-4ce8-a494-f04891e522f7

Any stupid protest will be more than compensated by increased ticket sales.

Evil fuck.

The Redskins are the team the "they have the right to be named whatever they want" crowd have rallied around and they shunned any potential effort to boycott the team and derided that line of thought, but because they don't believe a man should have the right to love whoever he wants, they would boycott the team?

and the horse he rode in on !

Yet another reason for banning lobbyists.

Is anyone spearheading a response from the left?

I have no interest in sports, but I would promise to support the team that signs him anyway--and I would keep that promise.

The country is on their side, but I can guarantee those anti freedom hate loving "Christians" will be facing a backlash from millions of people like me. People who refuse to condemn a human for being who he is and loving who he pleases. For a straight guy he sure does seem to have an obsession with gays. Seems off to me.

if at all.

His lack of size/speed will cause him to drop, maybe even undrafted.

If there is interest in signing him from more than one team he can make his own choice. I don't follow the NFL to know which teams could use a player like him, but I believe he should avoid the Dolphins. His NFL niche might be as a special teams player.

We love our UDFA, so many gems in that group. I'm sure Carroll would invite him to try out.

I don't think this fundamentalist Christian is going to like the answer he gets.

I watched it-not good. I watched him play for Mizzou and he was good, definitely good enough to consider the draft.

We're deep in the seventh now and still no call for him. Do I think he could be picked up by a team? Yes, but maybe not in the draft. Any way you slice it, if he still gets the chance to play pro he'll go. And there is absolutely no way a true fan will boycott their team if he plays for them. Will they make hateful comments about him? Sure, especially if he screws up a play but fans will mouth anyone and everyone if things don't go their way.

Let the games begin!

He also just got an endorsement deal with VISA. Not usual for a seventh rounder.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/33852/michael-sam

I'm not tooting Visa's horn, so I hope people don't get upset with me, but visa announced the endorsement two days ago. They did it knowing there were calls to boycott him at the time and they still signed him to endorse them.

I'm from L.A. so it's not a big stretch anyway. Go Rams!

and there are already quite a few around here who are talking about crossing lines to root for the Rams. (I definitely live in Chief's country so it really is crossing lines.) There is talk of buying his jersey all over my FB feed. There are also talks of road trips to the STL for a weekend of shopping, the zoo, gooey cake, toasted ravioli and Ted Drewes finished off with tailgating and a game. (The game most are talking about is the Raiders game in November, since KC fans hate the Raiders anyway. That way, they don't feel like traitors for rooting for the Rams.)

He attended Mizzou, his boyfriend swam for Mizzou (there's a pic up online of him competing in the Butterfly), his boyfriend graduated from Rockhurst HS in KC and currently works for Cumulus as an intern. The people who are looking past the most obvious (at least to the redneck crowd) see this as a Missouri couple-a couple of Missouri boys (I know he's from Texas but after playing for Mizzou he's been adopted) who've done good and are keeping their talents in-state. And St Louis is relatively LGBTQ friendly. It's where most of my gay classmates moved twentysomething years ago and has become even friendlier in the meantime. They will be more than welcome as a couple in STL.