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niyad

(113,370 posts)
Fri May 16, 2014, 01:11 PM May 2014

women don't fear power, power fears women

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Women Don’t Fear Power. Power Fears Women.

Reading yesterday about the abrupt firing of Jill Abramson, the first woman at the New York Times, along with the resignation of Le Monde’s Natalie Nougayrède, was like watching a ripple of misogyny move through the air in slow motion. Similar, in fact, to watching the slow, then fast, build to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s removal from office. There’s no way to examine these situations and ask, “Do women fear power and success?” Instead, the question is, “Why are powerful and successful women so feared?”

In their former positions, both Abramson and Nougayrède were notable firsts. Abramson was the first woman to head the New York Times and Nougayrède the first to be both editor-in-chief and director at Le Monde. Both women, whose tenures have been prematurely cut short, are paying the price for our very gendered ideas about power and leadership. Because they are women with power, all Abramson and Nougayrède had to do in the morning to be disruptive was get out of bed.

They are counter-cultural by definition. Both are experienced, accomplished, powerful, strong-willed, assertive, decisive and display–likeable or not– leadership qualities. Both were in the isolated position that most women with authority find themselves in. Both were navigating the high pressures of their professional lives while simultaneously challenging everyone’s – their employees’, their employer’s, the media’s – embedded notions of gendered behavior: from their “brusque,” “pushy” and “aggressive” dispositions, speech patterns, body language, ambition, confidence and more. The active coping that women leaders do in their work is qualitatively different and, frankly more onerous than their male peers, whom they are most frequently told they should simply emulate to get ahead.

So, it was with no small amount of wry humor that I read a front page New York Times headline today, “Labs Are Told to Start Including a Neglected Variable: Females,” about how medical researchers have ignored women and expected them to benefit from what men do. I’d be willing to bet a small fortune that copy editors at the New York Times assiduously purged words like “brusque,” “pushy,” and “bossy,” from their digital galleys in the wake of yesterday’s news, but no one paused to consider (or, maybe they did), the relevance of the fact that “female” is not actually a variable. Variables are adaptations to norms.
The headline illuminated not just an intractable problem at the Times, but a persistent and widespread truth – we keep expecting women to be content being seen as and understood as variations on men.

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http://msmagazine.com/blog/2014/05/16/women-dont-fear-power-power-fears-women/
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laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
1. Good article.
Fri May 16, 2014, 01:40 PM
May 2014

It reminds me of recently when just before Alberta Premier Alison Redford resigned, one of her MLAs broke ranks, went against her and said in a statement that she was 'not a nice person'. My mom and I picked up on it right away - she's the Premier and leader of her party - why should her being a 'nice person' matter? Except that this guy expected that women were 'nice'...that is how he was socialized apparently and he was having a hard time seeing a woman as a politician in power. My dad didn't pick up on it the same way my mom and I did...probably because he was socialized in the same manner (oh, did we have a conversation then, LOL).

Anyway, good article, thanks for posting it!

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
4. I think you are singling out situations
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:03 PM
May 2014

Are you suggesting that a man has never gone to power and then someone below that man breaks ranks? It happens all the time in the world. Men disagree with each other and fight against each other (sometimes to the death and go to war) all the time. Why are you so shocked when a woman gets to power, and someone breaks ranks?

Anyone who fights and gains power will have detractors. If Hillary Clinton is elected president, and the GOP kills one of her proposals in Congress, are they doing it because they don't like Hillary's gender? No, of course. It can be a white, male progressive president and they will still shoot the proposal down. It's politics.

I'm not saying it's right or it's fair. Im just saying this is how the real world works. It has always worked this way whether women are running things or men are running things. That's not going to change either....at least not in our lifetimes.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
6. Yeah, figures you thought that was what I was talking about.
Fri May 16, 2014, 05:18 PM
May 2014

It wasn't about him breaking ranks, it was his description of the Premier that was insulting. I talked to many women who picked up on the tone of his statement immediately.


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
11. break ranks and then (scandalously!) proclaim their male boss was unlikable? LOL- who the fuck would
Sat May 17, 2014, 06:49 PM
May 2014

even bother if it was a man. Please cite a comporable example where it is scandalous for a man not to be "nice".

People are scandlaized here when I am not nice. Mean people are scandalized- becuase they think it's their job, not mine, to mouth off. HA.

niyad

(113,370 posts)
7. you are most welcome. yes, women are supposed to be "nice", "meek", never angry,
Sat May 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
May 2014

certainly NOT in positions of power-especially power over men.

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
2. "we keep expecting women to be content being seen as and understood as variations on men."
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:21 PM
May 2014

big part of the problem there.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
5. The only part that trips me up is the 'variables' part.
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:10 PM
May 2014

Did the meaning of variable change sometime recently? Either it's too early and my brain isn't firing properly, or I haven't heard variable referred to as 'adaptation to norms'.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
9. I don't like to work for anyone with those "brusque" etc. qualities
Sat May 17, 2014, 05:50 PM
May 2014

male or female.

I don't see those qualities as signs of good leadership, either.

When I was working in a job long ago, I had 7 employees who had to deal with me as their boss. Nothing like heading up a big organization, of course. I talked to the people there about things that made the job suck for them and, if there were things that could be addressed by my bosses, they were. This included letting a woman bring her sick child to the workplace when she didn't have any more paid sick days - we weren't around the public and her kid could bring in his big wheel and run it up and down this long hall with no traffic outside the area.

I had three guys working for me. Two were just fine. One was a problem, was constantly on the defensive, and finally outright told me that no man should work for a woman. I said, well, I disagree, but if you demonstrate the ability to deal with others and the work, when I leave you could likely be chosen for my job b/c you'll know what's required to do it - i.e. less training, upheaval, etc. for the biz. (I knew I would be moving within a year or so.)

So I left and recommended him, even tho he had demonstrated he was something of a jerk - but he also demonstrated he could do the non-employee supervisory part of the job. After I left, the people who worked there said he was an overbearing ass to people who worked in the area - and he had problems with one of his bosses - who was a woman. So he didn't last.

I think effective leaders are not jerks toward the people who work for them - they don't make people hate going to work every day - they work to make everyone's experience better.

It wouldn't matter if it's a male or female.

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