Thatnk you for posting.

I am fairly well studied in the Spanish conquest of America. But my totally non official favorite reads and views are histories of the Nazis - especially what happened to the post war. This is a great.

Kick

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wehrmacht-veterans-created-a-secret-army-in-west-germany-a-969015.html



Newly discovered documents show that in the years after World War II, former members of the Nazi Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS formed a secret army to protect the country from the Soviets. The illegal project could have sparked a major scandal at the time.

For nearly six decades, the 321-page file lay unnoticed in the archives of the BND, Germany's foreign intelligence agency -- but now its contents have revealed a new chapter of German postwar history that is as spectacular as it is mysterious.

The previously secret documents reveal the existence of a coalition of approximately 2,000 former officers -- veterans of the Nazi-era Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS -- who decided to put together an army in postwar Germany in 1949. They made their preparations without a mandate from the German government, without the knowledge of the parliament and, the documents show, by circumventing Allied occupation forces.

The goal of the retired officers: to defend nascent West Germany against Eastern aggression in the early stages of the Cold War and, on the domestic front, deploy against the Communists in the event of a civil war. It collected information about left-wing politicians like Social Democrat (SPD) Fritz Erler, a key player in reforming the party after World War II, and spied on students like Joachim Peckert, who later became a senior official at the West German Embassy in Moscow during the 1970s.

Der Spiegel, despite the implication from the Times of Israel, says nothing about 'honor', or overthrowing the allies; it was a secret army in case there was a Soviet invasion, involving ex-Nazis and banned right wing groups that were nevertheless being funded by the Americans. The surprising thing is that when Adenauer found out about it, he didn't shut it down.

I had friends and relatives in Germany after the war.

We made a deal with the devil.

without the Soviets beating the hell out of Nazis on the eastern front.

They also murdered all of my relatives on my grandfather's side of the family. Do an internet search for "holomodor".

Mainly this sounds like a Gladio-style operation. It was created when there was fear of the Soviets invading West Germany. There was definitely a Nazi component -- and they were dealing with Otto Skorzeny as well as with the Gehlen Organization people, who were cooperating with the Americans and weren't particularly comfortable with the Skorzeny connection. But it looks like the Times of Israel is distorting the facts in order to stir up trouble.

Der Spiegel says "The goal of the retired officers: to defend nascent West Germany against Eastern aggression in the early stages of the Cold War and, on the domestic front, deploy against the Communists in the event of a civil war." And that's it.

it's the Nazis, not Putin, taking over shit in ukraine....

Putin Claims 'Gay Nazis' Behind Ukrainian Unrest

You might know more.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/03/30/ukraines-inconvenient-neo-nazis/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

"Nein! Keines weg!"

How Was The CIA Formed?

By absorbing the Nazi war criminal infrastructure

by Jared Israel


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On Oct 8, 1998, the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act became US law. This legislation:

“...calls for the establishment of the Nazi War Criminal Records Interagency Working Group to locate, identify, and make available to the public Nazi war criminal records.” <1>

The IWG’s task was to organize previously classified documents from the OSS, predecessor of the CIA, as well as from the CIA and other intelligence sources, and to make these documents available to the public. These were to include documents relating to possible collusion between US government organizations and Nazi war criminals.

Millions of pages have been released but very little information has trickled down to the broad public. And this trickle has been presented in a way calculated to minimize public awareness of the extent to which the Nazi apparatus was recruited in order - literally - to *become* the US covert operations and intelligence apparatus (the CIA etc.)

This story centers around the figure of Reinhard Gehlen.

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Who was Reinhard Gehlen, and how did US intelligence use him?

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From April 1942 on, Gehlen was head of German Armies East, the Nazi Army’s intelligence corps in conquered Soviet territory. Commenting on the release of some previously classified documents concerning Gehlen, the IWG wrote:

“Working immediately after the war with Army Intelligence, the Gehlen Organization became the responsibility of the CIA, which continued the relationship until 1956. One document released by the IWG on June 26, 2000, shows an early connection between the Strategic Services Unit (predecessor of the CIA) and Gehlen’s group. The SSU searched for members of Gehlen’s organization in POW camps and extensively interrogated them. As the Cold War developed during 1946, American intelligence officials found themselves lacking recent experience with Soviet intelligence activities and decided to use German experts on the Soviet Union - even though some may have been war criminals.”<2>

The above paragraph includes not one false statement; yet it is completely misleading. This suggests that the IWG’s talent may lie in disinformation rather than research.

1) The statement that the Gehlen organization was “working...with Army Intelligence” is misleading because “working with” implies equality of power: one does not “work with” men hiding from the law. The Nazis recruited by US intelligence were wanted for the worst war crimes; they were “employees” whose alternative was the hangman's noose. Surely they did what they were told.

2) The use of “working with” is also misleading because it suggests that Gehlen’s Organization (the 'Org’) was separate from the Strategic Services Unit and later from the CIA. This is not true. Gehlen’s Org became a decisive, perhaps *the* decisive component of the CIA’s worldwide apparatus. Its thousands of highly experienced operatives, much older than incoming CIA recruits, had to have a big effect on the culture of the CIA. Thus, US intelligence was Nazified.

3) The statement that, “As the Cold War developed during 1946, American intelligence officials found themselves lacking recent experience with Soviet intelligence activities and decided to use German experts on the Soviet Union - even though some may have been war criminals,” is false for three reasons.

a) First, it states that the advent of the so-called Cold War preceded the decision to use Gehlen. But in fact, the relationship between US intelligence and Gehlen began before World War II ended. That is, it began considerably before the ‘outbreak’ of the Cold War.

b) Second, under the terms of the agreements at the Potsdam Conference, <2A>

"5. War criminals and those who have participated in planning or carrying out Nazi enterprises involving or resulting in atrocities or war crimes shall be arrested and brought to judgment. Nazi leaders, influential Nazi supporters and high officials of Nazi organizations and institutions and any other persons dangerous to the occupation or its objectives shall be arrested and interned."

As we shall see, Gehlen and his Foreign Armies East organization did participate in "planning or carrying out Nazi enterprises involving or resulting in atrocities or war crimes."

CONTINUED...

http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gehlen.htm

From JANK2112 of DailyKos:

EXCERPT...

Great grandpa Sam Bush consulted Hoover, and was deep in the weapons business. Grandpa Prescott did business with Germany after FDR made it illegal. His punishment? Nothing.

Daddy flubs the exact date he began working for the CIA, but we know it was probably early enough that he may well have been involved in the murders of JFK, Bobby, and MLK. Ships with the name of his wife and his oil company were present at the Bay of Pigs invasion. The father of John Hinckley, Ronald Reagan's would be assassin was a Naval admiral and good friends with Bush. Thanks to him, Bush almost became president much sooner than he actually did. "Poppy" was in deep with Saddam Hussein and Manuel Noriega, until they became enemies and had to be taken down. He was undoubtedly involved in the arms-for-hostages deal in the 80s.

This family is heavily entrenched in the Military-Industrial Complex (Halliburton), Oil (The Saudis), banking (Neil and the S&L's), foreign governments (CIA), and now they have their claws in the World Bank (Wolfowitz). They most likely have off-the-record billions in Zurich and the Cayman Islands.

It may be a stretch, but there are few in history of this country (or the world even) that have ever possessed the kind of power the Bush family does. The Kennedys, The Gettys, the Vanderbilts, the Rockefellers....they all pale in comparison. Maybe Andrew Carnegie or Henry Ford could stand as a comparison in their heyday. But even the Bill Gates of the world simply don't compare.

These people RUN THE COUNTRY. They are NOT going to let their boy get censured OR impeached. And lets not even talk about trying him for treason. When January 21st comes around GWBush is going to get on a jet, go to Crawford and get as wasted as he can, every day until the end of his miserable life. He will go down as one of the worst presidents, he will NOT be sought out for foreign policy advice a la Kissinger and Nixon, and he could care less. GWB has done his job. The munitions companies were rewarded, the oil companies got theirs as did the other big corporate donors, and the conservative right was fortified.

So let's kind of stop with this "We'll get him" talk. Yeah, its motivational and all, but if you really think that this family is going to let little things like betraying the Constitution of the United States get to them, you are seriously warped.

SOURCE: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/04/18/203166/-Do-You-Guys-Realize-How-Powerful-the-Bush-Family-Is#

It's like when Shrub first started to run, I knew he would be horrible, and my conception of how horrible magnified with Coup 2000, but even all that didn't match the dimensions of the disaster.

This was something that my father suspected over 50 years ago.