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malaise

(269,218 posts)
Sun May 18, 2014, 05:25 AM May 2014

OK this is crazy -Thousands of Toddlers Are Medicated for A.D.H.D., Report Finds, Raising Worries

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/us/among-experts-scrutiny-of-attention-disorder-diagnoses-in-2-and-3-year-olds.html?_r=1
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More than 10,000 American toddlers 2 or 3 years old are being medicated for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder outside established pediatric guidelines, according to data presented on Friday by an official at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The report, which found that toddlers covered by Medicaid are particularly prone to be put on medication such as Ritalin and Adderall, is among the first efforts to gauge the diagnosis of A.D.H.D. in children below age 4. Doctors at the Georgia Mental Health Forum at the Carter Center in Atlanta, where the data was presented, as well as several outside experts strongly criticized the use of medication in so many children that young.
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The American Academy of Pediatrics standard practice guidelines for A.D.H.D. do not even address the diagnosis in children 3 and younger — let alone the use of such stimulant medications, because their safety and effectiveness have barely been explored in that age group. “It’s absolutely shocking, and it shouldn’t be happening,” said Anita Zervigon-Hakes, a children’s mental health consultant to the Carter Center. “People are just feeling around in the dark. We obviously don’t have our act together for little children.”

Dr. Lawrence H. Diller, a behavioral pediatrician in Walnut Creek, Calif., said in a telephone interview: “People prescribing to 2-year-olds are just winging it. It is outside the standard of care, and they should be subject to malpractice if something goes wrong with a kid.”

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OK this is crazy -Thousands of Toddlers Are Medicated for A.D.H.D., Report Finds, Raising Worries (Original Post) malaise May 2014 OP
Yikes. That's scary. cali May 2014 #1
These kids will be completely destroyed by the time they are teens malaise May 2014 #2
the fast lane to it- or permanent disability. cali May 2014 #3
Probably both malaise May 2014 #4
The culture and big Pharma are pathologizing childhood- and now "babyhood". Sick. cali May 2014 #5
And drug addiction, some of these medications are basically like meth. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #25
Criminal. Helen Borg May 2014 #6
I told you to SIT STILL! WinkyDink May 2014 #7
Why have children if you don't understand and enjoy the various stages malaise May 2014 #10
There's this amazingly popular recreation that sometimes results in pregnancy Fumesucker May 2014 #11
LOL malaise May 2014 #14
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #8
Bye bye malaise May 2014 #9
ADHD meds are dangerous for everyone. ananda May 2014 #12
Well if you have goods to sell (and that's what big pharma is about) malaise May 2014 #17
Then you may not have ADD or ADHD, but that does not mean that other people can't have it Zipgun May 2014 #23
I disagree, there is a difference between being "created for profit" and being hijacked for profit Zipgun May 2014 #21
I agree with this post - TBF May 2014 #27
There's no such thing? Phentex May 2014 #29
My granddaughter used to throw justgamma May 2014 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy May 2014 #35
ADHD is very real. HuckleB May 2014 #37
Playground HockeyMom May 2014 #13
Pretty sure you just have high metabolism Promethean May 2014 #15
Children need to run up and down malaise May 2014 #16
I was active in sports, had very involved parents, had limited amounts of sugar and caffein, Zipgun May 2014 #24
Fine - but clearly two and three year olds do not need this kind of medication n/t malaise May 2014 #26
Not even questioning that. Way too early, by the guidelines. And even for children old enough, not Zipgun May 2014 #41
We found something similar worked for our kids - both a boy and a girl woodsprite May 2014 #28
Running around the playground is woo-woo. bananas May 2014 #42
A few of the local meth heads sorefeet May 2014 #18
I have to imagine the only reason doctors would put children on these psych meds is financial Jesus Malverde May 2014 #19
these doctors should answer for this. mopinko May 2014 #20
And people wonder why we have a meth problem... RedRocco May 2014 #22
Can you please link us to research that supports your claim? HuckleB May 2014 #43
there is no research that I have read RedRocco May 2014 #44
So you make claims with no basis. HuckleB May 2014 #47
That is totally crazy... Phentex May 2014 #30
Medicated, for being a kid. tridim May 2014 #31
Anything for profit malaise May 2014 #36
Heinous. nt Mnemosyne May 2014 #32
There is also a report out that the doctor who created the definition of the problem has indicated jwirr May 2014 #34
Snopes says: "Partly True" alp227 May 2014 #38
Thank you. I wondered about that. jwirr May 2014 #40
saw a foreign tv show demigoddess May 2014 #39
That's fucking medical malpractice to give Adderall etc to a toddler steve2470 May 2014 #45
Making a Killing: The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging StarryNite May 2014 #46
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. Yikes. That's scary.
Sun May 18, 2014, 05:32 AM
May 2014

2 year old kids are often wild. that's why they've long called it the "terrible twos". At that age, they're testing boundaries, discovering autonomy and the world.

Drugging them so they'll be "good"? Yuck.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
2. These kids will be completely destroyed by the time they are teens
Sun May 18, 2014, 05:36 AM
May 2014

and given the lack of mental health treatment, this may well be one more highway on the road to the private prison industry.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
4. Probably both
Sun May 18, 2014, 05:52 AM
May 2014

Greed will destroy everyone and everything. This is madness. Why can't children just be children.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
25. And drug addiction, some of these medications are basically like meth.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:55 AM
May 2014

Adderal is abused as the effects are just like coke.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
10. Why have children if you don't understand and enjoy the various stages
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:55 AM
May 2014

of growth and development.

Sometimes I want to jump off this planet.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. There's this amazingly popular recreation that sometimes results in pregnancy
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:04 AM
May 2014

Pregnancy that often ends in childbirth.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
14. LOL
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:13 AM
May 2014

Sadly we humans often forget that most pleasures come with consequences and responsibilities.
We could learn something from dogs and cats.

Response to malaise (Original post)

ananda

(28,885 posts)
12. ADHD meds are dangerous for everyone.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:06 AM
May 2014

Imagine how much more dangerous they are for little kids.

Besides, there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD. These are just
spurious labels created for the sake of profit.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
17. Well if you have goods to sell (and that's what big pharma is about)
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:32 AM
May 2014

then you have to invent a host of new medical problems. I agree with you.
Our mom and dad were of the view that play and sport were critical to well being - you burned off that energy.
To this day I walk and exercise four days a week. On those rare occasions when I don't work out, my body reminds me to find the time.

Zipgun

(184 posts)
23. Then you may not have ADD or ADHD, but that does not mean that other people can't have it
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:45 AM
May 2014

Misdiagnosis happens, and big pharma pushes over and incorrect use of their drugs. Not every one with ADD has to be or should be on medication, even with the diagnosis is correct. There are other coping mechanisms and strategies that also need to be looked with or with out drugs. It's not a simple issue. The profit potential for drug companies, irresponsibility of doctors and parents wanting a quick fix are all big parts of the problems of misdiagnosis and improper prescription of drugs.

Zipgun

(184 posts)
21. I disagree, there is a difference between being "created for profit" and being hijacked for profit
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:40 AM
May 2014

There is a lot of misdiagnoses and overuse of prescription drugs, and this IS a problem that needs to be addressed. But to simply write off the condition as not existing because of abuses is also wrong.

TBF

(32,111 posts)
27. I agree with this post -
Sun May 18, 2014, 08:54 AM
May 2014

the severity is a big factor. I have a child that moves a lot but is quiet. He does fine with just a little re-direction. My friend on the other hand has to medicate her little boy with more severe acting out symptoms.

You'll find this with any disease. If you have a more severe case you're going to be using insulin or taking your depression meds etc ... while less severe cases may be able to make changes with diet or something else. Only your physician can judge this but of course the pharma companies want a profit, teachers want obedient students etc ...

justgamma

(3,667 posts)
33. My granddaughter used to throw
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:24 AM
May 2014

herself from one side of the room to the other. I used to wrap a knitted cord around her wrist just long enough to be able to shut the door because she was that quick. She hated being hugged because she had to stand still for it. Don't even think about holding her on your lap, she would kick and scream. It was heartbreaking. She was about 7 when diagnosed. I'll never forget the first days after her medicine. She walked into the house and sat in a chair and said "see grandma, I can sit still." Now we could hug her!

She graduated from high school and is now 23 with a full time job.

Response to justgamma (Reply #33)

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
13. Playground
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:12 AM
May 2014

I worked with a 5 year old with ADHD. He could not sit for long periods of time and would get up and run around the room and disrupt the classroom. His parents refused to give him Ritalin. What worked? I would take him out of the classroom into the playground and just let him RUN around for about 15 minutes. Then he would sit down and say to me that he was ready to go back and "work". Yes, he then would sit down in the classroom and finish his work.

BTW, one of the reasons I myself quit working in an office was because I could not sit in a chair for 8 hours a day. It drove me crazy and I had to get up and move around. I needed to find a different occupation that was more physical for me.

Edit: I had problems in elementary school with this, but once I got to HS, and college, with shorter periods and changing classes, it was fine.

Promethean

(468 posts)
15. Pretty sure you just have high metabolism
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:21 AM
May 2014

and thus extra energy to burn. Same for the kid you mentioned.

malaise

(269,218 posts)
16. Children need to run up and down
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:25 AM
May 2014

and play - and so do adults.
I have also found that massage therapy works with teenage boys. They calm down big time after a good hot/cold back massage.

This planet has not only over-medicated everyone - we are poisoning every river, stream and ocean with this shite.

Zipgun

(184 posts)
24. I was active in sports, had very involved parents, had limited amounts of sugar and caffein,
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:53 AM
May 2014

and yet still had issues with attention and restlessness, could hyper focus at other times had difficulty getting things done on time. I have ADD, and had the hyperactivity component as a child. It does exist.

Zipgun

(184 posts)
41. Not even questioning that. Way too early, by the guidelines. And even for children old enough, not
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:27 PM
May 2014

always a good choice. Even when it is, it isn't a silver bullet and other strategies need to be used. Part of the goal should always be to try and get away from or at least lower the strength of the drug to the lowest useful level.

woodsprite

(11,931 posts)
28. We found something similar worked for our kids - both a boy and a girl
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:30 AM
May 2014

In elementary school, they had 30 min for recess and lunch and would have gym 2x wk. In middle school, they did away with recess and not all students get gym (if they do, it's 40 min 2 or 3x wk). In high school, the only running around they get is moving between classes. They don't even have study hall anymore -- it's where the misbehaving kids go for detention.

In second grade, they tried to say my son needed to be evaluated for ADHD and have a scribe assigned to him to read his tests to him and write down what he said because his teacher said he would never pass the state tests. His reading tutor, who had been a public school teacher in the same district, advised us not to allow the school to "label" him until the end of 4th grade. She said he needed time to mature. By the end of 4th grade, he was winning prizes for his reading scores, and even in 2nd grade passed the state tests with either meets expectation or exceeds expectations, so I guess the tutor/retired teacher knew what she was talking about. His tutor also told me something interesting -- that our schools have quotas for their evaluations and intervention program for all grades (so many minorities, so many caucasians, so many ESL students have to be served) She said that with over 60% of the district coming in from mainly minority neighborhoods, sometimes it's hard to meet the quota for the caucasians in all the grade levels, and she suspected that could have played a part in them constantly pulling him out of his classes to go for evaluation or intervention (which didn't help, then we had to change the tutor's focus to his other subjects). It was tough to get through elementary school, middle school has been relatively easy for him, and he's looking forward to high school challenges in the fall.

That all being said -- I'm really glad he's my last to go through school!

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
18. A few of the local meth heads
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:34 AM
May 2014

have convinced the town quack that they have ADULT attention deficit disorder. So now they have a prescription for legal speed. I can't stand to be around the lying scum, including the doctor.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
19. I have to imagine the only reason doctors would put children on these psych meds is financial
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:38 AM
May 2014

The bribery of health care professionals by inviting them to conferences in exotic places like Hawaii is well documented.

The fact that pharmaceutical companies can monitor what a doctor prescribes is troubling. Kickbacks for medical professionals is troubling.

mopinko

(70,268 posts)
20. these doctors should answer for this.
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:40 AM
May 2014

they got the records. ban the bastards from the program. tomorrow. ffs.

RedRocco

(454 posts)
22. And people wonder why we have a meth problem...
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:44 AM
May 2014

We start these kids on speed at a young age. Then, when they are adults, they turn to meth when they can no longer find a doctor to prescribe adderall.

RedRocco

(454 posts)
44. there is no research that I have read
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:11 AM
May 2014

I'm just going by my direct observation of the world around me

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
30. That is totally crazy...
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:53 AM
May 2014

Who ARE these parents? I would be extremely leery of any doctor who wanted to prescribe medication for a toddler with ADD...or even an older child until all other options had been tried. This is scary to me.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
31. Medicated, for being a kid.
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:07 AM
May 2014

This is disgusting, and no different the selling meth to a three year old.

I bet they start medicating puppies next. They're so rambunctious. Can't have that!

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
34. There is also a report out that the doctor who created the definition of the problem has indicated
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:34 AM
May 2014

that he lied about it. I do not know what the link is but if true then there is ample reason to ask why anyone is diagnosed with ADHD.

alp227

(32,065 posts)
38. Snopes says: "Partly True"
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:25 PM
May 2014
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/adhd.asp

Although describing Dr. Eisenberg as the "inventor" or "father" of attention deficit disorder (ADD) and/or attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) might be challenged by some as a bit of an exaggeration, he unquestionably contributed a great deal to the body of knowledge on which modern diagnoses and treatment of those disorders is based. Given Dr. Eisenberg's recognized authority and expertise in this field, therefore, those who feel that ADD and ADHD are misused and over-employed diagnoses which serve to "excuse bullying and recklessness" and "offer a sense of alleviation of personal responsibility among those diagnosed" would indeed find validation if Dr. Eisenberg had proclaimed "ADHD is a fictitious disease."

The claim that Dr. Eisenberg asserted "ADHD is a fictitious disease" is reproduced on countless web sites as something he said "seven months before his death in his last interview," which would place the date of his utterance around February 2009. When documentation for the putative quote is provided, it references an article (often described as a "cover story&quot published in the German weekly Der Spiegel on 2 February 2012.

demigoddess

(6,645 posts)
39. saw a foreign tv show
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:40 PM
May 2014

last night (swedish) and at a elementary school the kids were running around playing and screaming. Both indoors and outdoors. Our kids never get to do that sort of thing. no matter how young they are. And they spend way too much time riding in cars.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
45. That's fucking medical malpractice to give Adderall etc to a toddler
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:27 AM
May 2014

It's bad enough to have to evaluate a grade schooler for it, but at least there seems to be some research and guidelines for doing it safely. Big pharma + bad psychiatrists run amuck.

StarryNite

(9,461 posts)
46. Making a Killing: The Untold Story of Psychotropic Drugging
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:31 AM
May 2014

This is a very interesting video...



Uploaded on Dec 13, 2010

"This video provides the facts about psychotropic drugs and the huge profits they create for the pharmaceutical industry. These drugs are not safe and have not been on the market long enough to provide sufficient long term studies regarding their effects. These drugs do cause addiction, however most "doctors" would call this dependence because you do not have to take an increasing dose over time. They are completely fine with you being addicted to the same amount of any given drug on a daily basis. Over half of the people that commit suicide in the United States are prescribed to psychotropic drugs. (Ex: Paxil (Paroxetine), Zoloft (Sertraline), Prozac, Wellbutrin (Bupropion), Effexor, Seroquil, Ultram (Tramadol), etc.)"
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