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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:45 AM May 2014

How You'll Get Screwed If Conservatives Kill the U.S. Postal Service

http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-youll-get-screwed-if-conservatives-kill-us-postal-service



On April 24, members of the American Postal Workers Union (APWU) and other unions held 56 “Stop Staples” demonstrations in 27 different states. The postal workers, carrying signs that read, “The U.S. mail is NOT for sale,” were protesting against a privatization deal between the U.S. Postal Service and the office supply chain Staples.

Launched in October 2013, the deal allows non-unionized employees of 82 Staples stores to help sort mail. If the program is expanded later this year, that number could increase to 1,500 stores. In a press release, APWU said of the program, “Staples employees, who work for low wages and meager benefits—and who have received minimal training—operate these unsecured postal counters.”

APWU sees the Staples deal as a step toward much greater privatization of the U.S. Postal Service, and they are right to be concerned, not only because of the interests of postal workers, but also, because the privatization or dismantling of the U.S. Postal Service will be terrible for American consumers and small businesses.

It’s no secret that times have been challenging for USPS. The increase in digital communications has resulted in many Americans spending much less on postage than 15 or 20 years ago. In 2006, a Republican-dominated Congress passed a bill forcing USPS to pre-fund future health benefits for retirees for the next 75 years (which Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has characterized as an “onerous financial burden”). To make matters worse, USPS has been facing the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression of the 1930s. And a combination of Republicans, Libertarians and neoliberal Blue Dog Democrats have been calling for drastic service cuts and privatization schemes. Ted DeHaven, budget analyst for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, has repeatedly called for the total privatization of the U.S. Postal Service.
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How You'll Get Screwed If Conservatives Kill the U.S. Postal Service (Original Post) xchrom May 2014 OP
It's not too difficult to predict: Way higher costs; fewer deliveries and fewer places getting mail. WinkyDink May 2014 #1
Call this "Profits r us" or tooeyeten May 2014 #9
The ultra-rich think long-range and NEVER give up. WinkyDink May 2014 #18
Lousy Service grilled onions May 2014 #2
Unless the GOP has total control of all 3 branches it will take Democratic help to kill the post Exposethefrauds May 2014 #3
Only takes a couple corporatists Democrats in the right places, like the Senate, to make it happen Zipgun May 2014 #5
Everyone saw first hand what the corporate dems did to the ACA it was as if the fix was in Exposethefrauds May 2014 #7
So with the Post Office up for sale, the internet up for sale ......... meti57b May 2014 #4
..which will be illegal to purchase... pangaia May 2014 #6
... a cross-country relay system of smoke signals? meti57b May 2014 #16
Get ready for the Carrier Pigeon Monopoly to be formed Armstead May 2014 #10
K&R Scuba May 2014 #8
Here's why it is how it is.. doxydad May 2014 #11
Why do RW fascist privatizers hate the United States Constitution? Faryn Balyncd May 2014 #12
I think you've answered your own question. WinkyDink May 2014 #19
The post office is not your friend metalbot May 2014 #13
The USPS is your friend and has a mandate that it must deliver to every address in the US. Snarkoleptic May 2014 #15
LOL Puglover May 2014 #17
"Customers would opt-in for $5 a month with “Outbox” to have their mail redirected, opened, scanned WinkyDink May 2014 #20
The Staples folks won't be required to take a Civil Service Exam, Snarkoleptic May 2014 #14
Wow, I had no idea UPS has been marking up the price for USPS delivery . . . snot May 2014 #21
Don't let the Benghazi people near the USPS Blue Owl May 2014 #22
We already feel some of that. Many of us are required to pay our bills on line and most companies jwirr May 2014 #23
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
1. It's not too difficult to predict: Way higher costs; fewer deliveries and fewer places getting mail.
Sun May 18, 2014, 06:56 AM
May 2014

tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
9. Call this "Profits r us" or
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:24 AM
May 2014

Gazillion in profits over people...

The gilded age has returned to the ruination of the nation!

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
2. Lousy Service
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:13 AM
May 2014

Meds by mail would be a disaster. You would get what the "delivery people" don't want. If they are rushed you may end up getting mail on the odd/even day plan. Like magazines? You may get them a week later if their turn the postal service into a mini lending library and bored delivery people find they would rather read then deliver. Pride of their job would plummet. Unhappy employees could take revenge on deliveries by arriving late or not at all. In other words your mail could be held for ransom. I want my mail delivered as we have always had it! If Congress likes this Staple kind of approach let them get it delivered this way but leave ours alone.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
3. Unless the GOP has total control of all 3 branches it will take Democratic help to kill the post
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:18 AM
May 2014

office, it will be bi-partisan!

Zipgun

(184 posts)
5. Only takes a couple corporatists Democrats in the right places, like the Senate, to make it happen
Sun May 18, 2014, 08:13 AM
May 2014

But in the mean time, Fox and its ilk will help keep the irrational hatred of all things "socialist" going full bore.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
7. Everyone saw first hand what the corporate dems did to the ACA it was as if the fix was in
Sun May 18, 2014, 08:54 AM
May 2014

before it even started.

meti57b

(3,584 posts)
4. So with the Post Office up for sale, the internet up for sale .........
Sun May 18, 2014, 07:55 AM
May 2014

I guess we'll be back to carrier pigeons?

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
11. Here's why it is how it is..
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:45 AM
May 2014

That god awful 10 year pre-fundung ...and what other Corporation on this planet had to do that?...is the reason the USPS is in trouble. SOLUTION

Adopting a traditional “pay-as-you-go” method would produce an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016.

Unlike any other public or private entity, under a 2006 law, the U.S. Postal Service must pre-fund retiree health benefits. We must pay today for benefits that will not be paid out until some future date. Other federal agencies and most private sector companies use a “pay-as-you-go” system, by which the entity pays premiums as they are billed. Shifting to such a system would equate to an average of $5.65 billion in additional cash flow per year through 2016, and save the Postal Service an estimated $50 billion over the next ten years. With the announcement of our Action Plan in March, we began laying the foundation for change, requesting that Congress restructure this obligation.

http://about.usps.com/who-we-are/financials/annual-reports/fy2010/ar2010_4_002.htm

Personally it would affect me as my wife was a USPS employee, and we get our medications via mail service. So yeah, I have a big stake in this, but...SO DO YOU.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
12. Why do RW fascist privatizers hate the United States Constitution?
Sun May 18, 2014, 09:46 AM
May 2014


... And why do pseudo-"conservative" Right Wing fascist privatizers hate the founders who wrote the authorization of the Post Office into Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution?








metalbot

(1,058 posts)
13. The post office is not your friend
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:22 AM
May 2014

"You mentioned making the service better for our customers; but the American citizens aren’t our customers—about 400 junk mailers are our customers. " - US Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe

Context: A startup created a service whereby they would scan your mail, then deliver the paper mail for only the things that you wanted. Interestingly, this model allows the US Post Office to win, in the sense that people will buy stamps for things that the US Post Office would never have to physically deliver (since the startup would pick up the mail and scan it). This was clearly a good thing for the consumer, but a bad thing for a Postal Service that thinks of junk mailers as its customers.

http://www.insidesources.com/outbox-vs-usps-how-the-post-office-killed-digital-mail/

Snarkoleptic

(6,002 posts)
15. The USPS is your friend and has a mandate that it must deliver to every address in the US.
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:38 AM
May 2014

FedEx and UPS often have USPS deliver "last mile" items they don't feel are profitable enough to deliver themselves.
Without the USPS, rural and remote areas will lose daily delivery unless they pay extra for the privilege.

As for junk mail, I opted out of most of it a couple of years ago.
Now the only advertisements I receive are from local establishments and it just so happens I always buy local.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
17. LOL
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:45 AM
May 2014

You quoted Patrick Donahoe who is a toady for Issa and the rest of the Pukes.

Nice try however.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
20. "Customers would opt-in for $5 a month with “Outbox” to have their mail redirected, opened, scanned
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:11 PM
May 2014

and available online or through a phone app. Consumers could then click on a particular scanned letter and ask that it be physically delivered, or that certain types of letters not be opened (e.g., bills etc.)."

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! YEAH, OPEN MY MAIL, WHY DON'TCHA?! Stupid idea.

Snarkoleptic

(6,002 posts)
14. The Staples folks won't be required to take a Civil Service Exam,
Sun May 18, 2014, 10:27 AM
May 2014

are low paid and will certainly be subject to far less scrutiny in pre-employment background checks.

It cannot be understated that Staples employees lack this-

Commitment to Ethics
The Postal Service demands an unwavering commitment to strong ethical values and principled decision making from all of its employees. All postal employees are required to place loyalty to the Constitution, the laws and ethical principles above private gain. Section 662.1 of the Postal Service's Employee Labor and Relations Manual provides:

To ensure that every citizen can have complete confidence in the integrity of the federal government, each federal employee, including each postal employee, must respect and adhere to the principles of ethical conduct set forth in 5 CFR 2635 [the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch; see also Overview of Standards], 5 CFR 7001 [the Supplemental Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the United States Postal Service], and 39 CFR 447 [the Rules of Conduct for Postal Employees].

For questions related to Postal Service employees and the Standards of Ethical Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch, please call the Postal Service’s Ethics Helpline at 202-268-6346 or send an e-mail to ethics.help@usps.gov.


https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/legal/welcome.htm

snot

(10,538 posts)
21. Wow, I had no idea UPS has been marking up the price for USPS delivery . . .
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:57 PM
May 2014

. . . if you mail something thru UPS. I just assumed they passed the USPS price through to us. No wonder the UPS rate always comes out cheaper. Silly me.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
23. We already feel some of that. Many of us are required to pay our bills on line and most companies
Mon May 19, 2014, 12:54 AM
May 2014

now charge a lot more that we would be paying for a bank check, envelope and stamp.

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