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Two whole years after she gives birth. Well, at least they aren't visiting the sins of the parents upon the unborn child -- that would be cruel and unusual punishment!


rocktivity

I wish all women around the world would abandon these ridiculous misogynist religions.

They exist for the benefit of psychotic, deranged males.

This case proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I know there are many who think "their" Chritianity or "their" islam or Judaism are not "this way."

But read the bible, the Koran, the torah - all three are woman-bashing as an art form.

There is nothing in these "faiths' for any sane woman to follow.

Just be a good person and stop looking for some Sky daddy who has to be appeased, worshipped and begged to before he'll give you anything to eat. Can you imagine a "parent" who has to be petitioned ceaselessly and worshipped before he will be a decent parent, or who is always threatening to kill you if you don't do this thing or the other thing?

What is so compelling that people still believe this hoohaw?

Anyhoo, sorry, just sick of the misogyny religion condones. To each his own and all that; I just don't get why any woman would go along with it.

"This case proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt."

Ummm... Yeah, right. I guess you know so much more than billions of people.

having read those works of religious fiction.

I even tried the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And in there it is written: "better the evil a man does than the good a woman does."

Really? So a woman nurse saving lives isn't as good as a guy who beats people to a pulp?

A female teacher is not as good as a male child molester? REALLY?

I threw that book across the room immediately upon reading that lovely male-scribed proverb.

And will never, ever give any credence to any religious fiction again.

If you gotta beg your daddy to help you on bended knee, and if your daddy allows you to kill other people for normal human behavior, your "daddy" is a psychopath.

Again, my opinion. Worship as you wish but don't ask me to think Abrahamic religions are anything more than institutionalized misogyny.

I don't get it either, Tsiyu.

"traditional" literalism RE: the holy books of their faith. The most progressive Christian denominations are arguably those that deviate the most from taking the Bible literally.

So at base level, I think Tsiyu is right.

Seems more than a little bit contradictory.

and that there are branches within all these faiths, from the ultra orthodox that fit your views to a T, to ultra liberal who believe in a god, but use the positive tenets of their respective faiths to better the world?

I am an atheist, ok. I grew up within Judaism, but you my dear are making the kind of broad brushes that drove me away from the ultra religious.

But I can wonder aloud why any woman would willingly support religions that demean, demonize and call for different rights and punishments if one is a woman.

I have many friends and family of every faith known to man. I am not calling for them to go to hell, to stop going to church, nor am I proposing their churches be outlawed.

However, I am allowed to think that anyone following an Abrahamic code - in a faith that doesn't like birth control, that is bigoted against gender, orientation, other religions etc, that demands you "submit to your husband" - is someone I do not understand.

It's like a minority joining the KKK or a gun control advocate joining the NRA. You can, but why would you?

It's just a question. If it scares anyone, they should ask themselves why.

and Suffies are far from what you are talking about, and Unitarians are extremely tolerant and were the first to marry LGBT couples and are open to women equality.

Like all institutions they evolve. The ones who are scared shitless of that evolution are fighting back, but that broad brush will NOT get you many friends.

And no, they are not like the KKK, not one bit. It is those progressive branches that led this country in social justice movements, or have you forgotten about MLK, or for that matter the Quakers that led the Anti Slavery movement?

You and your broad brushes, you are not better than the worst of them, and just as intolerant. And if this gets hidden by a jury, so be it.

I was just saying to another poster that of course some of the Abrahamic religions do good things.

But the basis of their religions are tomes that hate women at their core.

I can't decide which bible verses I like best: the one where if you're raped and you don't cry out you should be stoned, or the one in Judges where the woman is cut up into twelve pieces. Or maybe it's where Paul said wymmins should just shut up and cover their heads and leave the menz to the important stuff

Lovely literary work.

And I am not calling for any harm to come to anyone of any faith, unlike many Christians who think i'm going to hell and WANT me there! I live in a place where they post the ten commandments at the courthouse. Believe me, I have to practice religious tolerance just to pay my taxes and do business in my county. Because if I said anything, the Christians would have my head on a pike.

The correct word is intolerant.

And many Christians, who are extremely loud, are a few loud mouths.

Look, as a Jew, we have quite the healthy antisemitism going. I have a passport ready to go all the time. It is what it is. You are, and truly have never been THAT persecuted as a minority. These days, it is less likely even.

As to the Bible, yes, it has some horrific passages, do you even care for the history of it? Or that it was written by four different teams of scribes, or why those passages are there? I don't expect you to have that curiosity. I guess you would prefer if we burned it, all of them.

But no, frightening is not the word you are looking for. It is intolerant. And you are being just as intolerant as they are. Congrats.

If you want to have a live, let live world, well, my dear... you do not use broad brushes for starters.... Especially since you will need the cooperation of allies in the Progressive religious communities.

And again, if this is hid by a jury so be it.

Intolerance would be wanting to lock them away for believing.

Intolerance would be discriminating against them in my daily work, which I do not


Intolerance would be picketing in front of their many churches.

Listen, at a board meeting last week, some of the Christians - hell they're all Christians - were going to "lecture me" because it is their goal to 'save" me. They cannot accept that I do not follow their faith.

Thankfully the work I'd been doing became the focus, and they could not deny the value of that and dropped the religious manipulation crap.

I never tell them what I think of their faith. You would not believe the number of people who want me to come to Jesus. I smile and I'm polite, but how would they feel if I were to tell them they should become pagans?

I am in a safe place on DU venting my feelings. There is no intolerance here except anyone who wants me to shut up because I make them uncomfortable. And tough shit if anyone feels uncomfortable with my opinion.

You don't have to share it. But you don't have to tell me my opinion makes me intolerant either. You do not know the definition of the word.

and I will leave it at that. Have a good day.

Peace

It's all about control and power.

I can see why a man would love those faiths.

If I were a guy, I'd love to hear that a male deity created everything ( here on earth you gotta have both genders durnit ) that women had to submit to me, that it's all Eve's fault everything in the world went to hell.

And all the other claptrap dingaling notions those ignorant goat herders penned in their lonely hours hatin' on the wymminz.

But why would any woman accept such misogynist dogma?

I never will get it. I suppose "tradition" and "habit" trump good old common sense and self-preservation.

I hope this man is able to save his wife from the Sudanese woman-haters. No religion is worth that crap.

That was enough to make my blood boil. I couldn't handle listening to that bullshit week after week, let alone doing things like being covered from head to toe so as not to tempt the poor, weak men.

a frothing-at-the-mouth sermon on the evils of the "Women's liberation movement" and how women were destroying the very foundation of all that men hold dear.

My mom and I just grabbed each others hands and stifled our horrified laughter.

I am amazed at American women who buy into the Southern Baptist, Roman Catholic, Mormon etc mindset.

Many will say they don't really agree with all the misogyny, but then why support it at all?




BTW: rocktivity posted a link below to a petition and for an e-mail letter ( which you can adapt ) to the Sudanese embassy in support of the woman.

To think, she is a physician who could save many, many lives!

Instead, the ignorant men of her ignorant country would kill her in cold blood.

How can Sudan ever hope to rise above their bloody past, when they keep making it flow?

Sometimes you just gotta wish there really was some just deity up there, but if there is one, I've yet to see it.

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Bottom line: the ignorant "religious" want some blood and she's their latest victim.

Because their god likes them killing women I guess. Great Allah they got going there. He's a misogynist beast who wants human sacrifice. Or at least, they get to SAY he wants human sacrifice.

What the Muslims here are saying: "human life has no value to us or to Allah." .

Yippee.. Gotta Love that old tyme religion!

Atrocities like this do happen in non-Muslim societies, but much, much more rarely.

introduced by religious republicans and teabagger nutjobs demanding women undergo forced vaginal penetration and other hideous invasions of their privacy merely because they possess a uterus?

The rightwing nutjob Christians would stone us to death for having orgasms and clitori if they could, of that I have no doubt. They say asinine, misogynist things like "A woman's body just shuts down that whole pregnancy thing when she's raped." The law prevents them from stoning us just yet, but the religious fundies have practically eliminated access to an abortion in many states, because CHRISTIAN. How many women, forced to carry a child to term, might die from this forced pregnancy? Who knows? Who cares? Because JESUS.

In TN, they just passed a draconian law regarding pregnant women and drugs. No, pregnant women should not do drugs, but severely punishing them is going to lead to fewer poor women getting care for their unborn or themselves out of fear.

Your fundy Christian and Jewish misogynists - with their rules on separating the genders and dress codes and purity balls and women must submit to men crap - show us exactly where they stand on the issue of women and their freedom to choose ANYTHING.

The number one killer of pregnant women in the US is murder, and I don't doubt that many of the men who murder their wives are fundy nutjobs,

It's a difference of degree, not kind. Letting Christianity off the hook would be foolish.

There are good Christian, Jewish and Muslim people.

It's their religious texts I loathe, and the Christian bible is as misogynist as the rest

I haven't read the Bible cover to cover, but much of what I have read makes a good case (unintentionally) for non-belief.

In all fairness, though, having gone to relatively liberal Catholic schools growing up, I do think the more social justice oriented side of Catholicism has had a definite effect on my quasi-socialist beliefs. Feeding the hungry and housing the homeless should be the bare minimum for a civilized society, but we've failed miserably at that.

But when you see the vast wealth the Roman Catholic church has, you realize they could wipe out poverty in many nations with all their treasures alone.

"Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth." The Catholics, and most faiths, don't even follow this most basic rule!

I'm not saying I believe in "God's will" per se, but they contradict the very tenets of their own faith.

Look at the history of Christianity and Judaism. Both have had their eras of rampant anti--women activities. Just because those attitudes are slightly in abeyance at the moment does not mean they will not return at any point.

Religions like governments should never be trusted blindly.

Christian theocracy. And there are many who wish to move us closer to just that.

And growing up in the South with family members who lived and preached in the Bible belt, I know all too well what the fundamentalists want. And it is not a system I would want to lived under being far too much like "The Handmaid's Tale."

She exposed the way women are being treated in Muslim countries and is considered: "Islam Hater."

is now viewed as " intolerance."

I guess if your imaginary sky daddy tells you to enslave and murder women, you get a pass...

Whats that you say? Over 8 billion since 2005 and still they act like 9th century primitives...go figure.

We need to make her an American Citizen and insist that she is sent to the USA immediately. Make this a diplomatic emergency.

But it would depend on when and where they married. It doesn't sound as though she ever left Sudan:

I can only hope justice and common sense prevail. I will continue to follow this closely.

That would be the wise thing to do if at all possible.

Is the glee of killing a woman for not following the religion of her father, who abandoned her as an infant, leaving her to be raised in her mother's religion and then marrying a man of the same faith she has had all her life worth,the loss of billions in aid? I am sure the government would rethink thinks if the aid and dollars were completely cut off.