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from truthdig:
Whats the Point of a Source Protection Law That Wouldnt Protect Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden?
Posted on May 19, 2014
By Carey Shenkman
Laws are bad when they dont do what they are meant to and even worse when they cause harm instead. The journalist-source protection law being debated by Congressthe Free Flow of Information Act (FFIA or federal shield law) fails in both respects. Despite being pushed by media organizations after Associated Press reporters and other journalists were served court orders last summer, it is doubtful that the proposed law will meaningfully protect anyone. Instead, it sets the stage to punish whomever the government decides are illegitimate journalists.
Indeed, any outlet committed to giving voice to whistle-blowerssuch as The Intercept or WikiLeaksis not considered a covered journalist under the measure. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., who drafted the bill, conceded that The Intercepts Glenn Greenwald, whose coverage of whistle-blower Snowdens releases won a Pulitzer for The Guardian, would probably not be covered. The FFIA would fail to protect Snowden, or Manning, who provided evidence of war crimes and military cover-ups to WikiLeaks. Both sparked unprecedented public debates on government accountability and suffered the full wrath of the federal government. In other words, they are precisely the sources we need a shield law to protect.
The FFIA does not include those whose principal function, as demonstrated by the totality of such person or entitys work, is to publish primary source documents that have been disclosed to such person or entity without authorization. This is colloquially called the WikiLeaks clause. But The Intercept is also in trouble owing to what its new editor-in-chief, John Cook, described in mid-April as a commitment to continue the work of reporting on, publishing, and explicating Snowdens releases.
Certainly, Snowden came forward with his identity voluntarily and Manning was betrayed by a confidant, but this is no justification for crafting a law to exclude them. There will be more like them. The market for fearless government accountability publishing is small, and these sources are prime targets for subpoenas. Right now the traditional media still strongly support this bill, under the rationale that expecting perfection out of Washington is unrealistic. Schumer argued at a conference in March that the perfect shouldnt be the enemy of the good. But in this case, the bad is the enemy of the good. Protecting Greenwald, Julian Assange and their sources is not perfection. It is a baseline. ...................(more)
The complete piece is at: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/point_of_source_protection_law_wouldnt_protect_manning_snowden_20140519
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)The majority of what all of these entities do is not to protect the citizens, it's to protect the status quo and preserve government power. Which is exactly what our Constitution was supposed to do - protect the citizens - but our government and legal system have perverted it to the point where the only protection is for those politically and financially well connected.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)PV1 Manning isnt a whistle blower and never could be considered one as the vast overwhelming majority of what he released want illegal. Had he gone though the proper channels and maybe only did a targeted release he might have a defense.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is a direct assault on the Constitution and our First Amendment defenses against government abuse. This is government defining who is and who is not a journalist, which violates the very purpose and protective power of the First Amendment.
randome
(34,845 posts)That's a ridiculous position to take. Of course we need a definition of 'journalist'. Otherwise, the likes of James O'Keefe and the late and un-lamented Breitbart will do whatever the hell they want.
I don't see the problem here. You don't give national security documents to foreign personnel.
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Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)It makes more sense than allowing the corrupt politicians being exposed by journalists to decide who does o does not get thrown in jail.
Not to mention the 1st Amendment doesn't protect journalists, it protects speech and the press, i.e. the ability to publish.
struggle4progress
(118,294 posts)documents into the hands of some anonymous person online
Snowden took about twice that, and one of his first moves was to tell the Chinese what ISP addresses in China were of interest to the NSA
It's demented behavior
Vattel
(9,289 posts)Why do you think it was demented?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I am delighted that we finally have people like Warren and Sanders and Reich talking about inequality, but we also need prominent voices to start screaming bloody murder about these deliberate attacks on our free press and the foundations of our democratic system.
They are criminalizing journalism and dissent. They are trying to anoint their own propagandists as the only legitimate voices. These are the actions of a nascent fascist state, not the United States of America.
dawg
(10,624 posts)are the ones who make the powerful and well-connected look AWESOME!
All others are traitors.
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(32,139 posts)snot
(10,530 posts)traditional media were still publishing anything T.P.T.B. didn't want them to publish. But the NYT and LA Times supposedly "liberal" media organizations have both SAT on explosive disclosures from genuine whistleblowers at the gov't's request. And bad as they are, most of the rest are even worse.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The Founders understood the importance of an adversarial press and journalistic freedom, which is why it is ensconced in the very first amendment to the Constitution. This is a serious assault on the Constitution and our ability to defend ourselves against government manipulation and control of information.
randome
(34,845 posts)You may want to live in a world of strict Constitutionalism but most of us don't. So you say James O'Keefe is a journalist, right?
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snot
(10,530 posts)I'm wondering whether we need a Constitutional amendment implicitly recognizing the crucial, quasi-governmental role of the "press," the 4th estate, to the effect that no outlet purporting to offer "news" can be owned or controlled (directly or indirectly, esp. financially) by anyone with any ownership or controlling interest in any enterprise not solely dedicated to news journalism.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We have a multi-billion-dollar media in this country, and they are saying nothing. They enjoy their jobs as toadies.
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(32,139 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)since any amateur who tweets, or has a video camera or prints a one-page newsletter out of their bedroom would start calling themselves "journalists"...And there are too many high-profile unqualified, unprofessional people already dragging the industry further down...This is before I even get into the possibility of spies exploiting the hell out of this loophole...
I also don't know of any law known to man that would have protected Snowden...When you start taking a million top secret slides to foreign powers and start shopping your "expertise" to other nations in exchange for a permanent asylum deal, you sort of forfeit any legal protections that might have existed...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)These posts, which assume that no Americans have read history or civics or understand the meaning and intent and importance of our First Amendment, are insulting and frankly shameful here on DU.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Don't ever change, DU...
Just a simple yes or no question, "woo me with science": Have you ever worked for a major daily newspaper? Or anywhere in the journalism field?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Don't entertain this garbage.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022981567
Your attempts to argue that 'Something needs to be done!" and we have to find some "middle ground" are nonsense in this context. We have functioned very well until now. The only reason this unconscionable power grab is being pushed now, is because the government's crimes are being revealed, and they want desperately to stop it.
The letter, the intent, and the spirit of the First Amendment in guaranteeing the important protection of a free and adversarial press are very clear, and this appalling move violates all of them. You will not justify a "debate" about giving the government power to decide who and who is not a journalist.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)who is or isn't able to drive, vote, fight for their country, practice law, run a business, or any number of things...
What other profession(s) can eveyone possibly claim regardless of age/training/education? A cook maybe? Well, everyone can claim to be a writer so I halfway see your point, but I had such dreamy, romantic notions of journalism being on a much higher plane than mere 'writing' since we were dealing with the public trust, the people's right to know, giving a voice to those forgotten or nelected by society, etc...But that seems like a couple of lifetimes ago now....
If you're saying the journalism profession should have made its own hardline definition of who officially is or isn't a journalist instead of letting government decide, I'd agree...But for reasons of practicality that wouldn't have ever happened...If you're saying anyone with an iPad should be able to call themselves journalists just to take advantage of insider access and legal protections, then that's where I have a problem...I'd rather have everyone be called professional writers/printers/bloggers/whatever and let the old "journalist" title be buried forever with that last bit of integrity intact...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Pretending your intent is to defend whistleblowers, while passing a law that is *intentionally* designed to strip protections from whistleblowers who threaten you, is grotesque and cynical.
This is how low this corrupt, criminal government and its messaging have sunk.
(Thank you for the adjectives, Union Scribe.)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I took a long break from DU, cleared my head (and my ignore list), came back to start fresh and hopefully participate in these discussions in a more positive, even-handed, and intelligent manner... I have buried all my grudges and vendettas (and believe me, I'm the type of person who rarely does that) because I didn't want to leave this site on such a negative note...I would much rather remember DU for what it has taught me over the years rather than how many times I butted heads with this or that poster...
If you are unwilling or unable to meet me halfway on this, then I'm done in this thread...Good day, sir...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)to descriptions of persons.
I don't know you, but I know this tactic very, very well.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Very well...All I can say is that I tried, and I won't be dragged into this any further...
Cheers m8
bemildred
(90,061 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Advertising stripping of protection from whistleblowers as protection of whistleblowers.
Just like Pelosi's favored "reforms" to the NSA would actually entrench and attempt to legalize the unconstitutional spying.
War is Peace.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)The arguments are beyond absurd and insulting. It's just like arguing that a loophole that directly and deliberately shifts costs from health care corporations to patients is *really* a first step toward lowering costs for patients.
Or that imposing austerity on the 99 percent and fellating the banks is a necessary step toward solving income inequality.
I'm getting very tired of being lectured that true justice for all requires the implementation of a corporate authoritarian state as a necessary incremental step.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)that reinforces the corporate MSM as gatekeepers and lets lawmakers continue to pretend they are all for transparency. Grotesque and cynical, and probably effective at least in getting uncritical thinkers and hacks in line.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I could not have found better words for it.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)There's an obvious distinction, that many DUers don't like, between finding and releasing specific evidence of wrongdoing, and releasing vast numbers of classified documents that *don't* contain evidence of wrongdoing.