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G_j

(40,367 posts)
Tue May 20, 2014, 01:28 PM May 2014

Did Scientists Just Solve The Bee Collapse Mystery?

http://m.motherjones.com/tom-philpott/2014/05/smoking-gun-bee-collapse

—Tom Philpott on Tue. May 20, 2014 6:00 AM PDT

It's a hard-knock life, scouring the landscape for pollen to sustain a beehive. Alight upon the wrong field, and you might encounter fungicides, increasingly used on corn and soybean crops, and shown to harm honeybees at tiny levels. Get hauled in to pollinate California's vast almond groves, as 60 percent of US honeybees do, and you'll likely make contact with a group of chemicals called adjuvants—allegedly "inert" pesticide additives that have emerged as a prime suspect for a large bee die-off during this year's almond bloom.

The hardest-to-avoid menace of all might be the neonicotinoid class of pesticides, widely used not only on big Midwestern crops like corn and soybeans but also on cotton, sorghum, sugar beets, apples, cherries, peaches, oranges, berries, leafy greens, tomatoes, and potatoes. They're even common in yard and landscaping products. I've written before about the growing weight of science linking these lucrative pesticides, marketed by European agrichemical giants Bayer and Syngenta, to declining bee health, including the annual die-offs known as colony collapse disorder, which began in the winter of 2005-'06.

And now, a new Harvard study fingers neonics as the key driver of colony collapse disorder. The experiment couldn't have been simpler. Working with nearby beekeepers, Harvard researcher Chensheng Lu and his team treated 12 colonies with tiny levels of neonics and kept six control hives free of the popular chemicals. All 18 hives made it through summer without any apparent trouble. Come winter, though, the bees in six of the treated hives vanished, leaving behind empty colonies—the classic behavior of colony collapse disorder. None of the six control hives experienced a CCD-style disappearing act, although one did succumb to a common-to-bees gut pathogen called nosema.

Other studies have shown negative "sublethal" impacts of neonics on bees—that is, that the chemicals harm bees in subtle ways at doses too low to kill the outright. For example, this 2012 Science paper found that that tiny amounts of the chemicals significantly affects bees' ability to find their way back to their hives—"at levels that could put a colony at risk of collapse." Another 2012 study, also published in Science, found that bumblebees exposed to "field-realistic levels" of a neonicotinoid called imidacloprid exhibited a severely diminished capacity to produce new queens. What makes the new Harvard study remarkable is that it actually simulated colony collapse disorder—neonnic-treated bees suddenly abandoned hives that had been healthy all summer, while non-treated bees hung around and repopulated their hives.

In the paper, the authors call the spectacle of abandoned hives "striking and perplexing" because "honeybees normally do not abandon their hives during the winter." More research is needed to identify the mechanism by which neonic pesticides trigger the evacuations, they write, but the results point to "impairment of honeybee neurological functions, specifically memory, cognition, or behavior, as the results from the chronic sublethal neonicotinoid exposure."


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Did Scientists Just Solve The Bee Collapse Mystery? (Original Post) G_j May 2014 OP
Small Scale, De-Centralized, Natural Bee Keeping may be the answer. bvar22 May 2014 #1
Beautiful pic!! Thanks for keeping Bees happy & healthy!! hue May 2014 #20
Always an inspiration Bvar. Those are undoubtedly some of the happiest bee's in America. nt raouldukelives May 2014 #22
good advice, beautiful photo G_j May 2014 #24
Thank you for your kindness to the bees, bvar22. Enthusiast May 2014 #26
Beautiful! haikugal May 2014 #27
You already sound like a BeeKeeper. bvar22 May 2014 #32
I'm in heaven! haikugal May 2014 #42
Thank you for posting this. Meanwhile, our beloved EPA has approved yet another truedelphi May 2014 #2
and a few DU members have voiced their disbelief regarding pesticides being the cause. Javaman May 2014 #3
not surprising anymore...nt G_j May 2014 #4
Yes Phlem May 2014 #6
I know we are not supposed to type it out loud, but truedelphi May 2014 #12
Genetically Modified Corporate Trolls are best, cuz they work for free. Zorra May 2014 #31
I am luv-ving yr graphic. truedelphi May 2014 #33
I think that the new pesticides were just the last straw. MohRokTah May 2014 #35
Thank you for the post. oldandhappy May 2014 #5
Perhaps yesphan May 2014 #8
Our friends had neighbors with two hives geardaddy May 2014 #10
I hear some people are doing that on rooftops. merrily May 2014 #15
I have one hive back home in the Los Angeles area denbot May 2014 #17
So the cure is to stop using neonics like the cure the global warming is to stop valerief May 2014 #7
One actually is a lot easier than the other. JackRiddler May 2014 #41
And as I write this my neighbor's lawn service workers thucythucy May 2014 #9
lol thanks for the post. ctsnowman May 2014 #18
Yup this is happening near me also! I hear Ya'! hue May 2014 #19
same here. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #25
Anyone want to guess that this has been known by the industry for some time now... toddwv May 2014 #11
They've known about this for a while now. Sadly, there are oligarchic powers who feel that Squinch May 2014 #13
I love almonds as much as the next guy, but KamaAina May 2014 #14
So all those GMO products engineered to withstand those pesticides have cost the lives pnwmom May 2014 #16
This study was about INSECTICIDES not HERBICIDES Botany May 2014 #28
This study was done on plants that use pesticides like Round-up. pnwmom May 2014 #38
please show me any part of the study that had glyphosate attacking the honey bee's biology Botany May 2014 #39
The only GMO food with relationship to pesticides uses BT DNA. MohRokTah May 2014 #37
Thank you Harvard for confirming what should be obvious. mountain grammy May 2014 #21
The insecticides are over-used. I never spray my veggies that I grow, but some seedlings need.... dmosh42 May 2014 #23
No shortage of Bees here in Delaware LynneSin May 2014 #29
Can anyone help? I have a single bee buzzing around my spooky3 May 2014 #30
Can anyone help? Botany May 2014 #34
Thanks, Botany! spooky3 May 2014 #36
Don't worry about the european honey bee (unless you are making honey or you in the ag or bee biz) Botany May 2014 #40
Sadly, I found my little buddy deceased on the patio today. spooky3 May 2014 #44
the average life span of a worker bee is very short Botany May 2014 #45
We make homes haikugal May 2014 #43

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
1. Small Scale, De-Centralized, Natural Bee Keeping may be the answer.
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:26 PM
May 2014

We started two colonies in early 2007.
We don't move the hives.
We don't overcrowd the hives.
We interfere with them as little as possible.
We take Honey in the Spring, but leave plenty for the Bees to OverWinter.
If their stores run short, we will feed them back their honey,
or use a Cane Sugar solution...NEVER Corn Syrup , which is a cheap substitute used by the Commercial Bee Farmers.

We make sure that the natural available forage can support the population of Bees we keep.
We are far from Agri-Business, Industry, Suburbs, or neighbors who use poisons.
All non naturally occurring Pesticides, Herbicides. Fertilizers, and GMO Crops are banned from our little place in the Woods of West Central Arkansas.
We haven't had an occurrence of CCD.



Our Bees are gentle, happy, and expanding, as healthy colonies will.
We know others who keep Honey Bees the same way.
They haven't had CCD either.

We've looked at the Commercial Bee Yards whose populations far exceed the natural forage available.
They feed their Bees Corn Syrup.
The Honey you buy from them is nothing but Corn Syrup processed through a Bee
with the label "100% Pure Natural Honey" slapped on the jar.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1182412





haikugal

(6,476 posts)
27. Beautiful!
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:58 PM
May 2014

Thanks for this look into your life. I saw starter hives for sale locally…one flat with bees and I've wanted bees for some time. My place looks similar to yours with the exception that we have farmer neighbors who do spray their fields and use GMO crops…but our place is large and full of bee friendly plants, and organic.

How did you get started and is there a forum or place to go on the web that I might learn more? I understand that for the first year you don't need to do anything but take care they are safe and not hungry…and I'd imagine supply a super for their honey storage…but I'm ignorant. How much money does it take to get into bee keeping on a small scale?

I love bees. I used to "commune" with them when I was a kid and have only been stung once when I stepped on one by accident. I'd really like to do this.

Thanks again for sharing.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
32. You already sound like a BeeKeeper.
Wed May 21, 2014, 02:24 PM
May 2014

Here are some suggestions we gained from practical experience:


1) Check in with you County Extension.
They are very helpful. There are some regulations concerning transportation, registration, and inspection, and there may be some local ordinances. They are a great resource for latest research and new methods, pest & disease control. They can facilitate state hive inspections.
We generally avoid government agencies where ever possible, and have never voluntarily registered anything, but we make an exception for our bees. The benefits FAR outweigh any downside.

2)Join you local Beekeepers Association.
These are some of the most laid back people you will ever meet. Starkraven and myself are not joiners, but we look forward to our monthly meetings with the "bee people". This is another valuable resource for local information concerning pests, honey flows, equipment and disreputable operators. You can also pick up some hands-on experience working around hives.
Make no mistake...it is scary opening a hive the first time.
You will also be able to pick up some free localized bees from you local bee keepers. (Healthy colonies EXPAND, and many local bee keepers have all they want and are more than happy to give them away).

3)Always use new equipment
There are some very persistent pests and diseases that can be transmitted through the equipment. Used equipment abounds at some very attractive prices.
It is not worth the risk in my opinion. If you join the local association, some will offer you old equipment for FREE, but we always politely turn it down.
New Equipment is very reasonable, and there are many wholesalers and retailers online.

4)Do NOT to use flower scented deodorant or fabric softeners.
You would think this is Common Sense, but we found out the hard way.

5)Do NOT feed your bees Corn Syrup
There is no verifiable science to support this suggestion.
It is our personal preference. Corn is NOT a natural Bee Food.
Many BeeKeepers DO use Corn Syrup. It is cheap, the bees seem to like it, and the chemistry seems OK.
We refuse to use it, and will continue to do so until there is 100% proof that GM contamination absolutely can NOT be transmitted to our Bees through Corn Syrup, or pollen contamination during processing or handling.
We are careful to leave our Bees plenty of stores when taking off honey,
and feed them back their own honey in Winter if necessary.


We like this website, though don't agree with him on everything.
http://www.bushfarms.com/bees.htm
He pushes Top Bar hives as more natural,
and he is right, but the problem with Top Bar hives is that the honeycomb gets destroyed in the harvest.

We built a small home made honey spinner
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11592698
and can return the spun out honey comb frames to the hives for refills the same day.

Good Luck with your new adventure!

BEES!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002712803


[font color=white]...................................[/font][font size=1]photo by bvar22[/font]

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
42. I'm in heaven!
Wed May 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
May 2014

Thank you for the encouragement and excellent information. Your picture of our little friend is perfect.

Very good suggestions and this new endeavor may be just the thing for my son and I. He has taken over 'the place' and is interested in doing this. Now we can share another interest. I can't think of anything more awesome.

Is there a sub forum here for bees and such?

You have my gratitude for you warm and informative response.

Now I'm off to check out the links.....

Oh I forgot to mention that I'm glad you mentioned the down side of the topbar hive as I was looking at them with interest.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
2. Thank you for posting this. Meanwhile, our beloved EPA has approved yet another
Tue May 20, 2014, 02:48 PM
May 2014

Pesticide whose effects will be field tested by farmers on millions of acres across the nation. (Forget the name - multi syllabic name to it.)

One of our big problems is that the way pesticides are tested is based on LDL situation. As long as bees or other subjects survive the initial feeding, then all is A-okay, says industry and its Big Agency Buddy, the EPA.

Of course, with what we are seeing with the neonics, the bees feed on the pesticide-sprayed crop, and they continue to live. In fact, they seem to thrive. But some time LATER, they die. Pre-maturely. Without leaving any new generations of bees. And it doesn't seem to matter how little of the neonics they consume. Any at all does them in.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
3. and a few DU members have voiced their disbelief regarding pesticides being the cause.
Tue May 20, 2014, 03:26 PM
May 2014

just last week there was a thread and a few members poo poo'd the idea that CCD was caused by pesticides.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. I know we are not supposed to type it out loud, but
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:36 PM
May 2014

[h2][font color=red]Trolls, [/h2][/font color=red]any one?

And one of those trolls constantly uses outrage against us for being trolls?!?! As though the bees pay us off, or something. (Well, I did get that chunk of honey the other day.)

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
31. Genetically Modified Corporate Trolls are best, cuz they work for free.
Wed May 21, 2014, 01:44 PM
May 2014

Human/Bunny Gene Splice, GMO RU-1Hb40$
??????


Science, science, dammit!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
35. I think that the new pesticides were just the last straw.
Wed May 21, 2014, 06:31 PM
May 2014

Since commercial beekeepers have been using pesticides in their hives to control one arthropod (varroa destructor) that is a parasite on another arthropod (apis mellifera aka "honeybee&quot , your going to have problems in the hives to begin with.

Throw systemic neonicitinoids on top of that and you have a recipe for disaster!

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
5. Thank you for the post.
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:06 PM
May 2014

And to the comments. Lots to think about. Wish I could start two colonies. Hard to do in the city. Hmmmm

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
10. Our friends had neighbors with two hives
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:27 PM
May 2014

in the middle of Minneapolis. The city government here allows bees with a permit.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. I hear some people are doing that on rooftops.
Wed May 21, 2014, 07:42 AM
May 2014

Someone who was relatively elitist about food--for example, she claimed that she found that which hectare olives grew on made a difference in their taste (which Americans say hectare?)--clued me in to the fact that I probably could buy locally produced, organic honey, even in a city. I googled my city and she was right.

denbot

(9,900 posts)
17. I have one hive back home in the Los Angeles area
Wed May 21, 2014, 07:51 AM
May 2014

As soon as I get a little home time I will capture a swarm to place in a waiting empty 2nd hive.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
7. So the cure is to stop using neonics like the cure the global warming is to stop
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:12 PM
May 2014

using fossil fuels.

How do we get either of these things to happen?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
41. One actually is a lot easier than the other.
Wed May 21, 2014, 09:46 PM
May 2014

The entire global, species-wide mode of production and way of life is based on hydrocarbon fuels, but not on these pesticides -- not even on the profits of the Bayer AG, Monsanto, etc.

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
9. And as I write this my neighbor's lawn service workers
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:24 PM
May 2014

are spraying some chemical on her lawn, after which they'll post those little signs that warn children and pets to stay off. I have no idea what's in that crap, and I doubt she has any idea either, but, you know, lawns. Lawns are vitally important to 'Mericans. They're an integral part of our freedom, or something.

This culture is fucked in so many ways. We'd rather risk a complete collapse of the ecosystem that sustains us all, rather than make even the most superficial changes in our "lifestyle." "Deathstyle" is more like it.

Anyway, thanks for this OP.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
25. same here.
Wed May 21, 2014, 12:09 PM
May 2014

Fucking "trugreen" ...their reps were trolling around last year, tried to suck me in. When I said NO POISON on my lawn, the shortage said Ohhhh it's as safe as water! You can drink it!

I was so angry, wish I'd thought to say Great, then drink it right here right now and I'll sign up.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
11. Anyone want to guess that this has been known by the industry for some time now...
Tue May 20, 2014, 04:35 PM
May 2014

they just didn't feel like it was necessary to inform anyone else?

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
13. They've known about this for a while now. Sadly, there are oligarchic powers who feel that
Tue May 20, 2014, 06:47 PM
May 2014

their bottom lines are worth the starvation of millions, and they are fighting to prevent any curtailment of the use of these pesticides.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
14. I love almonds as much as the next guy, but
Tue May 20, 2014, 07:10 PM
May 2014

60% of all the bees in the country for one crop that isn't even a staple?!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. So all those GMO products engineered to withstand those pesticides have cost the lives
Wed May 21, 2014, 07:51 AM
May 2014

of countless bees, because farmers have felt free to use Round-up and its competitors.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
38. This study was done on plants that use pesticides like Round-up.
Wed May 21, 2014, 07:18 PM
May 2014

"The hardest-to-avoid menace of all might be the neonicotinoid class of pesticides, widely used not only on big Midwestern crops like corn and soybeans but also on cotton, sorghum, sugar beets, apples, cherries, peaches, oranges, berries, leafy greens, tomatoes, and potatoes. "


I agree. Reading is fundamental.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
39. please show me any part of the study that had glyphosate attacking the honey bee's biology
Wed May 21, 2014, 09:37 PM
May 2014

the article was about "neonics" and their disruption of the honey bees life/work cycle
even at levels that were previously thought not to be lethal or harmful to the bees.

Just because the honey bees were hurt by coming in contact with "neonics" in fields
were polyphosphate was used it does not mean that the damage to the honey bees
was from the glyphosate and not the "neonics."

I do think glyphosates are over used and that tends to hurt biodiversity along with
helping to develop future generations of plants that have some form of resistance
to "round up" ..... many of the common day lilies can become invasive and they
can show a strong resistance to glyphosates.


 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
37. The only GMO food with relationship to pesticides uses BT DNA.
Wed May 21, 2014, 06:38 PM
May 2014

Bacillus thuringiensis produces it's own bio-active insecticide.

So GMO food with this DNA doesn't have to use pesticides as it produces it's own.

dmosh42

(2,217 posts)
23. The insecticides are over-used. I never spray my veggies that I grow, but some seedlings need....
Wed May 21, 2014, 11:26 AM
May 2014

protection, at least until they flower. I use the row cover material which does a good job of protecting the plants until they flower, and by then they are not as attractive to insects, maybe because they're not as tender. But I see some farmers in my area who sell their veggies commercially, spray the weeds with weedkiller before tilling, then spray insecticide on those same fields when the plants mature. A double-dose for the consumers!

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
29. No shortage of Bees here in Delaware
Wed May 21, 2014, 01:09 PM
May 2014

Then again we had a tractor trailer overturn yesterday on I95 ramp releasing about 20 million bees into the skies.

spooky3

(34,458 posts)
30. Can anyone help? I have a single bee buzzing around my
Wed May 21, 2014, 01:11 PM
May 2014

Deck and backyard since spring began. Can it survive alone? Or should I find a way to bring in some bees?

Botany

(70,516 posts)
40. Don't worry about the european honey bee (unless you are making honey or you in the ag or bee biz)
Wed May 21, 2014, 09:41 PM
May 2014

and work on attracking our native pollinators.

Native Leaf Cutter Bee


p.m. if you want some simple steps that you can do

spooky3

(34,458 posts)
44. Sadly, I found my little buddy deceased on the patio today.
Thu May 22, 2014, 05:14 PM
May 2014

But maybe the flowers will attract others.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
43. We make homes
Wed May 21, 2014, 10:37 PM
May 2014

For our solitary native bees and they love them. Just one of the little things that help.

Solitary bees are interesting and great pollinators.

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