the poor dumb cows. Hate the ranchers who exploit the cows and the environment instead. The poor cows lead short lives and much of it brutal because of the ranchers.

The Commissioner said that I hate cows...and I do eat them from time to time, but I don't hate anyone, including the cows. I hate the failure to maintain the sustainability of our forests, especially in arid areas like ours (south-central New Mexico...100 miles north of Mexico.) Our biodiversity is incredible, but won't be if we're overgrazed.

every year to Santa Fe and Taos in the fall, the best time of year as far as I'm concerned, but it's obvious just how frail your ecosystem is and I really don't believe cows belong anywhere. They should be rare and steak very expensive, like a treat. We don't need cow's milk. There are substitutes that can be used even for children. I'm with you.

I couldn't agree with you more. If you ever make a pilgrimage to the Land of Enchantment again, consider the White Sands Monument and Cloudcroft as places to visit. And we'll have a DU cuppa.

However, best of luck.

Cleita

The problems with substitutes when it come to milk, is that it doesn't taste as the real deal - nothing can replace a Glass of milk in my view - and the farmers can always treat their animal better - so they might have a better life - and possible also make the products taste better also...

But then again - if you want an industry standard when it come to agriculture - then animals wil allways suffer sadly enough....

Diclotican

evolved beyond this. I use plant milks for everything milk based in my cooking and they work fine. I was a kid who actually had to grow up not drinking fresh milk when I lived in South America. Where I lived there were no dairy cows and I hated the taste of the powdered milk offered me so I didn't drink it. Most of the cooking was done with powdered or canned milk. I grew up fine, strong teeth and bones and all. So we really can curtail our milk habits. Also, cheeses can be made from goat and other milks. It doesn't have to be cow's milk and don't we import a lot of those cheeses from Europe? I believe cows are indigenous to Europe and belong there, not here.

However, I'm not saying we shouldn't have some cows. I just think they should be small herds on land that can sustain them and that we have to stop thinking of them as a mainstream food, but more a luxury item or treat. Ever had buffalo or elk? They make good hamburgers.

Cleita

I have had elk a few times it is tastefully meat - never as hamburgers - but instead as a rather luxury dinner - with all the trimmings in the fall - and with a sausage who was to kill for I'm afraid I have never eaten Buffalo - as I doubt it is native to Norway - and even if it was possible - it is still expensive - and I would say I prefer other meat anytime anyway if I have a meat dinner.... I'm not sure about how expensive elk is in the US, but at least here it is expensive - and rather well regulated - and therefore the meat cost a lot as the hunters really want to have most of it to them self - and i can not exactly say I do not understand them... Even been on a hunting expedition once back in the days - saw no elk - but got really wet at is was a rather rain fully day that time - I even had to walk home - 2 hours in the wet wood - as I got tired after waiting for the dam animal for 8 straight hours without a fireplace of sorts - and I was not asked to came hunting again either But I was invited to a very nice dinner when the hunting season was over then, so something good got out of it (I was 14 at the time)

I have not eaten your food - so I have no clue about how it taste - but I would guess you make excellent food, with or without milk - but I have tried other forms of substitutes for milk - it all taste rather unpleasant - dry milk even taste like metal to me - I prefer the real deal - and milk directly from a cow is maybe some of the best drink I can get my hands on - if I am that lucky - of course if you are not used to the idea of drinking milk from young age - you tend to like the subsidizes you are used to - but I would say - the real deal is the best - regardless of how the subsidies can imitate milk... Of course you will live up okay - if you are used to just use dry milk in different form or shape - mostly because most of the substitutes have all the same minerals that real milk have - and I do hope you will have a healthy and long life many years to come..

I'm not sure about the import of cheese to US - as I am not living in the US - and really can not care to much about your import of cheese from Europe, but I do eat to some degree cheese and drink some milk - mostly because after a lengthy hospital stay last fall I deiced to do something with my habits specially when it came to food - you tend to do that, when you have the time at your hand - lying in a hospital bed with pneumonia, kidney failure and arthritis who made me bedridden for 3 weeks - 3 painfully weeks I would say, the flip side of it - is that my diet as a whole have been better - and I have discovered the pleasure of plain - natural food in a way I had not doing for some years - specially the cold glass of milk now and then - it does good for the kidneys too by the way at least, it is what the doctors say...

Cows is known from all over the Eurasian continent - so I guess it is not exactly native to just Europe - but some type of cows have over the last 1000 or so years been made more indigenous to Europe than to other parts of the Eurasian continent - europeans are one of the ones who drink a lot of milk, and use milk in our native diet - in fact some say over the couple of 1000 years since the first farmers came to Europe - even some genes have mutated so europeans, and people who is of european decent is more able to metabolize Milk than many other parts of the world, I'm not sure about the fact of that, but at least europeans have been used milk in many ways over the last 7000 years - maybe more if you count the wild animals who also was used back in the days before some deiced it was a smart move to settle down - and farm the land instead of hunting animals - and travel from space to space....

Diclotican

as expensive as the bullet you put into the poor beast so you mostly find it on the table of those who hunt. Some entrepreneurs are raising buffalo and putting it on the market. Buffalo is native to the Americas and part of the ecosystem. I've had buffalo burgers and they are quite tasty, but I've also had burgers made from venison and although they don't taste like beef, they are quite satisfactory. I didn't realize you were European so sorry for being snarky.

Enjoy your beef and milk products. We don't need them and it's becoming necessary for us to realize that cows are not good for our open wild lands.