If he was pulseless, breathless, had a big hole in his chest and no pupillary reflex, then they just pronounced him at the scene. Performing CPR would only have increased the blood loss and would have had zero chance of success, no matter how magical it is on TV.

Some things are simply not survivable.

gotta be a sheriffs deputy or a dr iirc
also in florida every cop responds to every call because if the name is in the report the officer gets to go to court
overtime and all you know?
the lack of a list of every onduty cop within radio range is unbelievable as i feel confident they all responded at some point
here in florida a left turn ticket gets at least a 3 car turnout
for a dead kid i have to think cops would be coming by from home

or a deputy did. Same thing, some wounds are just not survivable.

of the crime.

Weird, how much info is turning into more unanswered questions!

they were sloppy. This is what happens when arrogant people who have been used to getting away with doing things like this get caught. This kind of situation exists where you have an established crony or "good old boy or girl" network. They never expected or dreamed that they would ever have to have this stand up to the scrutiny of the world and be flooded by the BRIGHTEST sunlight.

In the Sanford Police Dept because of the difference of opinion whether to charge Zimmerman.

The tape of Zimmerman at the police station 40 min after the shooting was leaked wasn't it?

Amazing the tape turned up just as the Zimmermans were lying about the seriousness of George's condition all over the MSM.

New SA ordered no more releases. So we wont have any answers until charges are filed. Soon, I hope.

I knew the mayor ordered the 911 tapes released.... thank you again.

My BIL was in law enforcement over the years. He is a racist and I can tell you from my own personal experience that if you want to express your racism and get away with it become a cop. No one will question your motives. No one will be the least bit concerned with brutality. HE said vs. he said. Who you going to believe, the one with the badge why of course.

NOT all cops are racist just to be clear. But it definitely provides a racist with "cover" for being one and using "their authority" to harass people of color.

In San Diego EMS will transport and do CPR unless the head is not attached to the body or other horrific injury.

When I worked in TJ we had the authority do declare from both medical director and coroner.

Why I did declare a few.

Other places in California have the same ability for medics to declare. Los Angeles comes to mind to be specific.

I responded to the poster who stated that the paramedic can't pronounce someone deceased. At least that's what I thought he was trying to say

Some of the Zimmerman defenders out there are claiming that Zimmerman may have had a big "gash" on the back of his head somewhat visible (they say) in the police station video. They say such a gash could have been treated with a type of "glue", and the lack of an obvious bandage or tape or anything like that on his head means nothing. Is there anything to that? I know the "glue" exists, my MIL was treated with it in an ER a couple years ago for a cut on her forehead, but would they use it in the field like that and send him on his merry way with no tape and no bandage?

In fact you probably have used it, Cyanoacrilic glue.

Problem is that is battlefield medicine or really small gashes at your emergency room. Paramedics in the US simply do not use it in the field. You first need to clean the wound very well, and all that.

Heck, I have a bottle of the non surgical grade on the modeling table.

If you get your fingers glued, acetone is the best way to dissolve it by the way.

Some of the defenders must have watched a program on military medicine.

That fits with what I know, then. My MIL's cut was pretty small, but it bled a lot. Also, IIRC, they taped it after they applied the glue.

So that particular story being told about Zimmerman is BS.

Edited to clarify.

.... that can stop bleeding and kinda act as a bandage until better treatment is available? Could that have been used?

that's what you use to stop blood when giving them a pedicure.

Again the human grade equivalent exists for both disaster and battlefield medicine. It is well outside the scope of practice for street medics.

I have a bottle of the stuff, whenever I am crazy enough to cut the parrot's nails...I let the vet do that.

The PD video clearly shows that he didn't have any injuries.

Sounds like 1 guy checked him out. SFD Rescue 38

Not needing a band aid (which he apparently didn't even need) and jumping in and out of the police car unassisted. Fine, the police report says this...but I can say that I don't trust much of what the police said--in the face of them allowing so much evidence to just walk out their door.

Thanks for the excerpt.

some people report this is altered after the fact to add material to make Zimmerman look better. I don't know the exact status of the police reports.

There should be more variety just in case racially charged cases such as this one occur.

And you are absolutely correct, there needs to be more diversity so that these situations can be fact checked before they get so out of control.

and says in florida a sheriffs deputy or an md can pronounce
but if the emt had no life signs he would report that and the time before transport
so his recorded time would be the defacto time of death
he would not so much pronounce him as be first to report no life signs and if no attempt at reviving the victim was made that would be used as the time officially

Therefore, there was no EMT who treated him.

the 2nd ambulance was cancelled. He didn't appear hurt.

I didn't see any detail published, but the summary (which is somewhere on this forum) of the emt report said Zimmerman had no serious injuries.

They wouldn't have glued a gash in the field, any more than they would stitch it there. They'd get him into ER to have it totally cleaned out before closing it.

As to how many, standard urban response in the US is a fire truck with at minimum a crew of three, the person in charge, driver, engineer, if they are really short, usually a firefighter and an ambulance with a crew of two.

So that be five to six personnel on the scene.