Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 12:08 PM Mar 2012

Matthew Yglesias: The Promise and Peril of A Single-Payer Comeback

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/03/30/the_promise_and_peril_of_a_single_payer_comeback.html

The Promise and Peril of A Single-Payer Comeback

By Matthew Yglesias

| Posted Friday, March 30, 2012, at 2:37 PM ET


With it looking like there's a decent chance the Supreme Court will strike down the Affordable Care Act, there's increasing buzz around the fact that this would in effect force progressives to choose between a push for a "single-payer" health care system (i.e., cover non-elderly people with something like Medicare) and giving up on universal health care altogether.

The great virtue of a single-payer system is that all the evidence suggests it would be cheaper. The problem with a single-payer system is that in my experience a lot of progressives are confused about why single-payer saves money. But think about what it means to have a single payer for health care services? It means that there's only one buyer of health care services. And guess how you would feel if there were only one buyer of the services you or your firm provides? You'd hate it! Because that one buyer would have all the bargaining power. Medicare pays doctors and hospitals and other providers less than what big insurance plans pay which is less than what individuals pay. A Universal Medicare system would have even more bargaining power than existing Medicare. The presence of multiple payers/buyers is one of the main reasons that American doctors are paid so much more than Canadian or British doctors. This is perhaps a good idea, but it highlights the fact that the politics of a serious single payer push are more complicated than a simple poll asking people how they feel about Universal Medicare. Doctors and other health care professionals have very high status in the United States and the public trusts them. A policy initiative that reaps budgetary savings by taking a bite out of their income will face a major challenge over and above the fact that health insurance companies and their thousands of employees would struggle mightily to avoid being put out of business.
5 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Matthew Yglesias: The Promise and Peril of A Single-Payer Comeback (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2012 OP
Uh. Hardly. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #1
Guess I'm just strange. enlightenment Mar 2012 #2
who says we trust doctors or the medical field? iemitsu Mar 2012 #3
Did you know that 100 + years ago a doctor made less than an engineer? It wasn't really considered a Hestia Mar 2012 #4
Health care isn't a product and if it was. Most of us just have to take TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #5
 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. Uh. Hardly.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 12:12 PM
Mar 2012

Lockheed, Northrup-Grumman and Raytheon do just fine selling to the single-buyer of defense systems.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
2. Guess I'm just strange.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 12:19 PM
Mar 2012

Single-payer - 'one buyer' health care wouldn't bother me a bit. I certainly wouldn't hate it.

This seems like more of the same types of argument we heard before - as any chance that single-payer would even be considered was tossed out with the trash. That people won't like it. That it would be too hard to get it passed. That it is, fundamentally, bad because it doesn't fit the free-market model.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
3. who says we trust doctors or the medical field?
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:10 PM
Mar 2012

i think americans think doctors are paid too much and are not reliable professionals.
at least that is what i hear from the community where i live.
people think doctors are arrogant folk with god complexes who spend more of their time on the golf course and on their yachts than caring about the nations health.
the AMA is thought of this way too.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
4. Did you know that 100 + years ago a doctor made less than an engineer? It wasn't really considered a
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:24 PM
Mar 2012

major paying occupation. You went into for the love of helping people.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
5. Health care isn't a product and if it was. Most of us just have to take
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:17 PM
Mar 2012

what our employers offer anyway.

This isn't a house, car, blue jeans, a TV, or even a trip to the grocery. No one knows what they need and what they want is for their needs to be met. A rational market isn't workable operating on this scale and in our predatory atmosphere.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Matthew Yglesias: The Pr...