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pokerfan

(27,677 posts) Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:26 PM Mar 2012

Google Maps: It's 14 minutes to the Sanford Police Station on 13th Street

Of the three routes suggested by Google Maps, this one is the shortest:

http://g.co/maps/xdd4s

If the time-stamp of the station's surveillance video is correct, then Zimmerman was at the station 34 minutes after the shooting. That doesn't seem to leave much time for the EMTs to arrive, diagnose and treat Zimmerman. Had his head been repeatedly slammed into concrete, one would think that the paramedics would have spent a little more time on him, perhaps even recommending that he be scanned at a hospital for head injuries.

It just doesn't add up.

I also plotted a route to the nearest convenience store. I don't know if this is the store Trayvon visited or not as it's not a 7-11 (nearest 7-11 is further) but it is consistent with Trayvon returning home via the north entrance to the complex.

http://g.co/maps/anbc2

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Google Maps: It's 14 minutes to the Sanford Police Station on 13th Street (Original Post) pokerfan Mar 2012 OP

Much less give him time to change his clothes to get out of ones with blood on them. uppityperson Mar 2012 #1

How about - a vending machine - rather than a convenience store? hexola Mar 2012 #2

There's only one supposition that fits all the known facts in the case. baldguy Mar 2012 #3

By now the cops eustus Mar 2012 #4

Yeah, because the focus of the police investigation pokerfan Mar 2012 #7

The time line makes it sound like they treated Zimm while in, or around, the police cuiser... hexola Mar 2012 #5

Couldn't have been much injury pokerfan Mar 2012 #6

Or Ice. Control-Z Mar 2012 #8

That would agree with what was stated in the released police report ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #10

But with the report of a gunshot (did anyone report that someone was gateley Mar 2012 #13

Thats what Im wondering - Did Zimmerman call 911 after shooting Trayvon? hexola Mar 2012 #15

From the police report - sounds like he was treated in the crusier hexola Mar 2012 #14

The complex itself also has surveillance cameras. madaboutharry Mar 2012 #9

Yup. eustus Mar 2012 #11

Can someone post a link to the earlier thead with the maps/paths of travel of Zimm and Tray hexola Mar 2012 #12

Cops don't observe posted (or Google maps), speed limits. -..__... Mar 2012 #16

This is true pokerfan Mar 2012 #17

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)

1. Much less give him time to change his clothes to get out of ones with blood on them.

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:30 PM

Mar 2012

A quick shower, clothing change, etc. Aside from that speculation, I agree, I don't see time for EMTs to show, treat him, then police take him to the station.

hexola

(4,835 posts)

2. How about - a vending machine - rather than a convenience store?

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:33 PM

Mar 2012

Both Skittles and AZ Tea are items likely to be dispensed via a vending machine somewhere in the complex - isnt there a pool in one picture?

I think the convenience store is something that may have been misreported somehow...

baldguy

(36,649 posts)

3. There's only one supposition that fits all the known facts in the case.

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:33 PM

Mar 2012

Zimmerman is lying.

eustus

(8 posts)

4. By now the cops

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:36 PM

Mar 2012

have video from the security cams at the store where Treyvon got the candy. They may also have video of him from security cams at other bussinesses along his route. They probably have him on camera entering the complex. You're right -- it doesn't add up.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)

7. Yeah, because the focus of the police investigation

Reply to eustus (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:51 PM

Mar 2012

seems to have been directed at the victim rather than the shooter.

hexola

(4,835 posts)

5. The time line makes it sound like they treated Zimm while in, or around, the police cuiser...

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:36 PM

Mar 2012

And NOT in or around an ambulance....

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)

6. Couldn't have been much injury

Reply to hexola (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:50 PM

Mar 2012

Seems likely that any injury was so superficial that it only required a cursory examination at the scene. Not even a freaking band-aid.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)

8. Or Ice.

Reply to pokerfan (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:04 PM

Mar 2012

They always put one of those cold packs on an injury whether it is needed or not.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)

10. That would agree with what was stated in the released police report

Reply to hexola (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:07 PM

Mar 2012

gateley

(62,683 posts)

13. But with the report of a gunshot (did anyone report that someone was

Reply to hexola (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:38 PM

Mar 2012

down?) they may have dispatched an EMT vehicle at the same time they dispatched the police.

But the timeline doesn't support (although they've never claimed, I don't think) a change of clothes to explain a lack of blood.

hexola

(4,835 posts)

15. Thats what Im wondering - Did Zimmerman call 911 after shooting Trayvon?

Reply to gateley (Reply #13)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:44 PM

Mar 2012

It sounds like the police were on their way already per Zimms request.

Why didnt Zimmerman call 911 HIMSELF???

hexola

(4,835 posts)

14. From the police report - sounds like he was treated in the crusier

Reply to hexola (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:39 PM

Mar 2012

(stole this from a freeper! - HA!)

madaboutharry

(40,211 posts)

9. The complex itself also has surveillance cameras.

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:06 PM

Mar 2012

I have seen them on msnbc several times when they showed footage of the complex and murder scene.

eustus

(8 posts)

11. Yup.

Reply to madaboutharry (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:26 PM

Mar 2012

I've seen them, too. I'm betting that somewhere the cops have video of Zimmerman following Trayvon in his car or on foot. I'm left wondering if they have video of Zimmerman running through the complex with his gun drawn.

hexola

(4,835 posts)

12. Can someone post a link to the earlier thead with the maps/paths of travel of Zimm and Tray

Reply to eustus (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:29 PM

Mar 2012

I saw it this morning here - but cant find it now - it was very compelling.

thanks!

-..__...

(7,776 posts)

16. Cops don't observe posted (or Google maps), speed limits.

Reply to pokerfan (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:52 PM

Mar 2012

More than likely, they were returning to the station with lights and siren, or just lights.

That alone would give them at least 5 more minutes.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)

17. This is true

Reply to -..__... (Reply #16)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:29 PM

Mar 2012

A better timeline:

7:17 PM, police dispatched
7:30 PM Trayvon Martin pronounced dead
~7:55 PM - Zimmerman arrival at police station recorded on video
~10:00PM - Zimmerman released. (duration described as "about two hours&quot

Still, not much time for treatment of these wounds described as bleeding from the front and back of the head.

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