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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Sat May 24, 2014, 10:08 AM May 2014

When it comes to common-sense gun laws, moms will never give up

When I launched Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, I understood I would encounter opposition from those who took issue with my view – the same held by most gun owners – that firearm safety and responsibility go hand-in-hand with our Second Amendment rights.

I knew that sometimes these debates would get heated. In fact, I’ve always welcomed and embraced debate. That said, I’ve also always vowed to remain civil and to avoid cruel, ad hominem attacks in my work as a gun violence prevention advocate.

Unfortunately, as several recent incidents chronicled in Mother Jones make clear, a number of people on the extreme other side of this debate have shown they have no interest in adhering to a similar pledge.

In recent months, the vitriol coming from the other side has reached new levels of concern.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/shannon-watts-gun-extremists-intimidation-threats
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When it comes to common-sense gun laws, moms will never give up (Original Post) SecularMotion May 2014 OP
If I had a billionaire throwing money at me I'd probably say the same thing. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #1
I maintain that the largest threat to the 2nd amendment right now is its alleged supporters Recursion May 2014 #2
The vitriol is a consequence of RKBA extremism which has one more gun rights battle than lost aikoaiko May 2014 #3
When is sensibility going to enter the subject of safe gun ownership? Thinkingabout May 2014 #4
"Some people is not capable of owning or using guns" Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #5
What action needs to be taken to stop a nut from walking into Penney's with an AR-15 strapped Thinkingabout May 2014 #6
Someone carrying like that is either on a rampage or is just an ass. Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #7
With some of the laws being passed and supported by ALEC, this will happen more, Thinkingabout May 2014 #9
Such as? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #13
House Bill 60 in Georgia Thinkingabout May 2014 #15
Is that the bill allowing guns in bars so long as the carrier is not drinking? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #18
Kinda what I thought, doesn't matter what information I furnish of bills Thinkingabout May 2014 #21
and when those establishments do what you are advocating dsc May 2014 #10
The NRA does that, does it? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #12
Yes many many such businesses have received such threats with the NRA dsc May 2014 #14
So anything anyone does some other group is responsible for? Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #16
when you go around dsc May 2014 #17
So, by your standard Nuclear Unicorn May 2014 #19
if they occured in a society in which we routinely read about such goings on dsc May 2014 #20
Oh yeah? Them there's fightin' werds! 951-Riverside May 2014 #8
This nut is someone who does not need to own or ever have one in his possession. Thinkingabout May 2014 #11
According to some on this board a straight up fist fight is fine. As long as no guns are used oneshooter May 2014 #22

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
2. I maintain that the largest threat to the 2nd amendment right now is its alleged supporters
Sat May 24, 2014, 10:11 AM
May 2014

Which bothers me since I do think the individual right to bear arms is a legitimate right worth worrying about (somewhat). I just also believe it's one right among many that needs to be balanced, which sends a certain faction of alleged 2nd amendment supporters into crazy land. As a man, I don't get remotely the worst of the vitriol.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
3. The vitriol is a consequence of RKBA extremism which has one more gun rights battle than lost
Sat May 24, 2014, 10:19 AM
May 2014

I agree with you that anyone who uses threats and violence in their political pursuits runs the risk of creating backlash.

On the other hand as an NRA member I speak to a couple of directors about having LaPierre step down and they ask why since he successfully defended the RKBA from the post Sandy Hook onslaught of legislation. I argue its time for change, but I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. When is sensibility going to enter the subject of safe gun ownership?
Sat May 24, 2014, 10:24 AM
May 2014

NRA should be about gun safety but it is all about selling more guns. I own guns myself but the severe radical portion of NRA has overruled common sense, it needs to return. Some people is not capable of owning or using guns, just like some people are should never own a vehicle or drive.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. "Some people is not capable of owning or using guns"
Sat May 24, 2014, 10:39 AM
May 2014

As a staunch pro-RKBA'er, I agree. But the policies offered don't center on safety or reducing actual causes. The policies offered are meant to harass people who are no threat.

How many of the rampage shootings in recent memory were conducted by people KNOWN to law enforcement and medical professionals as being imbalanced? Loughner, Holmes, the VA Tech shooter, the naval yard shooter. What's the point of having more laws if the cops won't even enforce the ones they are expected to enforce?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
6. What action needs to be taken to stop a nut from walking into Penney's with an AR-15 strapped
Sat May 24, 2014, 12:15 PM
May 2014

on their backs? Is the NRA going to back laws to stop the stupidity?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. Someone carrying like that is either on a rampage or is just an ass.
Sat May 24, 2014, 02:58 PM
May 2014

A law won't stop the rampage and private establishments are free to stop such nonsense without having to wait for idiotic politicians to stop counting their kickbacks to attend to the issue.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. With some of the laws being passed and supported by ALEC, this will happen more,
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:07 PM
May 2014

Enforcement agencies are having their hands tied.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
18. Is that the bill allowing guns in bars so long as the carrier is not drinking?
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:44 PM
May 2014

If so it's hardly a ground breaking law. And again, the private establishments can impose their own restrictions.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. Kinda what I thought, doesn't matter what information I furnish of bills
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:19 PM
May 2014

"allowing guns everywhere", its okay with lots of folks. Again there are some who should not possess, own or use guns, safety is not a part of being sensible. If there are groups who do not give up attempting to place safe sensible rules around guns this will never stop. Radical gun owners refusing to compromise on any sensible gun laws will continue to be a problem. Those wanting the sensible laws will continue.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
10. and when those establishments do what you are advocating
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:07 PM
May 2014

the NRA literally threatens them with death.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
14. Yes many many such businesses have received such threats with the NRA
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:32 PM
May 2014

not expelling members caught doing such things, no speaking out against such activity at any time. We routinely and correctly blame the tea party when people at their rallies act out and no one says a word about it the same goes with the NRA.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
16. So anything anyone does some other group is responsible for?
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:41 PM
May 2014

That sounds like the sort of rhetoric that could snare Progressives. You might want to reconsider the tactic.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
17. when you go around
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:43 PM
May 2014

riling up people, make sure they are armed to the teeth, further make sure that we have no idea if there are criminals among them then yea you might, just might be a little bit responsible when they got batshit insane and threaten people.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
19. So, by your standard
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:48 PM
May 2014

When the guillotine thread posted here a day or so ago drew dozens of poster advocating revolution, confiscation and general mass-murder based solely on tax bracket the Democratic party itself was making these seditious and criminal statements.

Or maybe it was just a bunch of bloviating cranks on the internet.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
20. if they occured in a society in which we routinely read about such goings on
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:53 PM
May 2014

and were accompanied by the active lobbying of a group to make sure that guillotines were being wheeled down our streets than maybe it would be comparable.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
8. Oh yeah? Them there's fightin' werds!
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:05 PM
May 2014

Here they are challenging the Dad of a murder victim to a fight



These people are DISGUSTING!

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
22. According to some on this board a straight up fist fight is fine. As long as no guns are used
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:32 PM
May 2014

then nobody can get hurt.

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