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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen it comes to common-sense gun laws, moms will never give up
I knew that sometimes these debates would get heated. In fact, Ive always welcomed and embraced debate. That said, Ive also always vowed to remain civil and to avoid cruel, ad hominem attacks in my work as a gun violence prevention advocate.
Unfortunately, as several recent incidents chronicled in Mother Jones make clear, a number of people on the extreme other side of this debate have shown they have no interest in adhering to a similar pledge.
In recent months, the vitriol coming from the other side has reached new levels of concern.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/shannon-watts-gun-extremists-intimidation-threats
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Which bothers me since I do think the individual right to bear arms is a legitimate right worth worrying about (somewhat). I just also believe it's one right among many that needs to be balanced, which sends a certain faction of alleged 2nd amendment supporters into crazy land. As a man, I don't get remotely the worst of the vitriol.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)I agree with you that anyone who uses threats and violence in their political pursuits runs the risk of creating backlash.
On the other hand as an NRA member I speak to a couple of directors about having LaPierre step down and they ask why since he successfully defended the RKBA from the post Sandy Hook onslaught of legislation. I argue its time for change, but I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)NRA should be about gun safety but it is all about selling more guns. I own guns myself but the severe radical portion of NRA has overruled common sense, it needs to return. Some people is not capable of owning or using guns, just like some people are should never own a vehicle or drive.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)As a staunch pro-RKBA'er, I agree. But the policies offered don't center on safety or reducing actual causes. The policies offered are meant to harass people who are no threat.
How many of the rampage shootings in recent memory were conducted by people KNOWN to law enforcement and medical professionals as being imbalanced? Loughner, Holmes, the VA Tech shooter, the naval yard shooter. What's the point of having more laws if the cops won't even enforce the ones they are expected to enforce?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)on their backs? Is the NRA going to back laws to stop the stupidity?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)A law won't stop the rampage and private establishments are free to stop such nonsense without having to wait for idiotic politicians to stop counting their kickbacks to attend to the issue.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Enforcement agencies are having their hands tied.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Honest question.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If so it's hardly a ground breaking law. And again, the private establishments can impose their own restrictions.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)"allowing guns everywhere", its okay with lots of folks. Again there are some who should not possess, own or use guns, safety is not a part of being sensible. If there are groups who do not give up attempting to place safe sensible rules around guns this will never stop. Radical gun owners refusing to compromise on any sensible gun laws will continue to be a problem. Those wanting the sensible laws will continue.
dsc
(52,166 posts)the NRA literally threatens them with death.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Literally, even.
dsc
(52,166 posts)not expelling members caught doing such things, no speaking out against such activity at any time. We routinely and correctly blame the tea party when people at their rallies act out and no one says a word about it the same goes with the NRA.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)That sounds like the sort of rhetoric that could snare Progressives. You might want to reconsider the tactic.
dsc
(52,166 posts)riling up people, make sure they are armed to the teeth, further make sure that we have no idea if there are criminals among them then yea you might, just might be a little bit responsible when they got batshit insane and threaten people.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)When the guillotine thread posted here a day or so ago drew dozens of poster advocating revolution, confiscation and general mass-murder based solely on tax bracket the Democratic party itself was making these seditious and criminal statements.
Or maybe it was just a bunch of bloviating cranks on the internet.
dsc
(52,166 posts)and were accompanied by the active lobbying of a group to make sure that guillotines were being wheeled down our streets than maybe it would be comparable.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Here they are challenging the Dad of a murder victim to a fight
These people are DISGUSTING!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)then nobody can get hurt.