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HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:03 PM May 2014

Don’t Believe the Hype – 10 Persistent Cancer Myths Debunked

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/don%E2%80%99t-believe-hype-%E2%80%93-10-persistent-cancer-myths-debunked#XmLmwWrp6vsCrCxe.99

"Google ‘cancer’ and you’ll be faced with millions of web pages. And the number of YouTube videos you find if you look up ‘cancer cure’ is similarly vast.

The problem is that much of the information out there is at best inaccurate, or at worst dangerously misleading. There are plenty of evidence-based, easy to understand pages about cancer, but there are just as many, if not more, pages spreading myths.

In this post, we want to set the record straight on 10 cancer myths we regularly encounter. Driven by the evidence, not by rhetoric or anecdote, we describe what the reality of research actually shows to be true.

Myth 1: Cancer is a man-made, modern disease
Myth 2: Superfoods prevent cancer
Myth 3: ‘Acidic’ diets cause cancer
Myth 4: Cancer has a sweet tooth
Myth 5: Cancer is a fungus – and sodium bicarbonate is the cure
Myth 6: There’s a miracle cancer cure…
Myth 7: …And Big Pharma are suppressing it
Myth 8: Cancer treatment kills more than it cures
Myth 9: We’ve made no progress in fighting cancer
Myth 10: Sharks don’t get cancer

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Good stuff.

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Don’t Believe the Hype – 10 Persistent Cancer Myths Debunked (Original Post) HuckleB May 2014 OP
Many corporate-produced, man-made synthetic chemicals do cause cancer AceAcme May 2014 #1
Which number was that? kcr May 2014 #2
#1 - I added synthetic chemicals to pinpoint a major part of the "man-made" cancer problem AceAcme May 2014 #4
Then there is the flipside kcr May 2014 #5
So you created your own strawman. Shocking! HuckleB May 2014 #6
Do you know how to comprehend what you read? Dr Hobbitstein May 2014 #17
That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think? paleotn May 2014 #18
Ah, yes, the political report. HuckleB May 2014 #3
Many naturally occurring sources cause cancer Major Nikon May 2014 #13
What molecular configuration is referred to when you say "man made"? TampaAnimusVortex May 2014 #19
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present another sad case of Orrex May 2014 #30
Never heard of any of these "myths" Brainstormy May 2014 #7
Unfortunately, they also get bandied around here at DU, from time to time. HuckleB May 2014 #8
My wife has cancer, and believes some of those Courtesy Flush May 2014 #31
I've seen all of them here Warpy May 2014 #9
Cancer is not a modern disease. SheilaT May 2014 #10
Absolutely. Indeed. And, yes! HuckleB May 2014 #29
k&r LeftishBrit May 2014 #11
Thank you! HuckleB May 2014 #33
Please just tell me MissDeeds May 2014 #12
Alas... HuckleB May 2014 #15
It isn't a study, but his opinion Major Nikon May 2014 #21
Are you trying to make me drink more alcohol? HuckleB May 2014 #22
Cheers! Major Nikon May 2014 #23
And likewise to the role sugars in the diet can play BlueStreak May 2014 #28
Everything in moderation, my friend.... paleotn May 2014 #20
Science rec... SidDithers May 2014 #14
Sorry Roy Rolling May 2014 #16
That's a rather vague response. HuckleB May 2014 #27
lost a niece to shark cartilage. and a macrobiotic diet. mopinko May 2014 #24
Oh, man. HuckleB May 2014 #26
i think when you die, you become a data point, mopinko May 2014 #32
How heartbreaking. Best thoughts to everyone involved, and to all your family. LeftishBrit May 2014 #34
Love it - maced666 May 2014 #25
Myth 1 should read Leme May 2014 #35
just what is a superfood? Myth 2 Leme May 2014 #36
du rec. xchrom May 2014 #37
Gracias! HuckleB May 2014 #38
 

AceAcme

(93 posts)
1. Many corporate-produced, man-made synthetic chemicals do cause cancer
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:42 PM
May 2014

Despite any cutsey-poo made up "myth list" claims, or the woo any corporate apologists may spew.

"In May of 2010, the President’s Cancer Panel reported to President Obama that “the true burden of environmentally induced cancers has been grossly underestimated...”

"Exposure to environmental carcinogens (chemicals or substances that can lead to the development of cancer) can occur in the workplace and in the home, as well as through consumer products, medical treatments, and lifestyle choices...."

http://www.psr.org/environment-and-health/confronting-toxics/cancer-and-toxic-chemicals.html

kcr

(15,318 posts)
2. Which number was that?
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:44 PM
May 2014

I didn't see a claim that cancer wasn't caused by man-made synthetic chemicals?

In fact right here, from the source given: Environmental factors including tobacco smoke, nutrition, physical activity, and exposure to environmental carcinogens are estimated to be responsible for 75-80% of cancer diagnosis and death in the US. Oops, wrong source. But the OP basically says the same thing.

 

AceAcme

(93 posts)
4. #1 - I added synthetic chemicals to pinpoint a major part of the "man-made" cancer problem
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:54 PM
May 2014

and to unmask the BS.

The debate goes on, as NBC reports: "David and Zimmerman therefore argue that cancer nowadays is largely caused by man-made environmental factors such as pollution and diet. They detailed their findings in the October issue of the journal Nature Reviews Cancer..."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39687039/ns/health-cancer/t/cancer-man-made-disease-controversial-study-claims/

Labeling one side of this debate as a "myth" has the rank stench of typical corporate apologistics, of which there is a tragic abundance in our era.

kcr

(15,318 posts)
5. Then there is the flipside
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:58 PM
May 2014

Blame the cancer on the victim. Which is where such extreme thinking goes. Live a natural lifestyle free of chemicals, you won't get cancer! That's dangerous advice.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
17. Do you know how to comprehend what you read?
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:56 PM
May 2014

Cancer is NOT mad-made, and it is NOT modern.

Man-made chemicals CAUSING cancer does not make cancer man-made.

You're really grasping at straws here.... I Fucking Love Science is anything but corporate apologists.

paleotn

(17,946 posts)
18. That's a bit of an overreaction, don't you think?
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:41 PM
May 2014

....yes, there are certain synthetic chemicals and bits of our radiological kit that are carcinogenic, sometimes extremely carcinogenic, but there's plenty of stuff in nature's natural kitchen that can cause similar genetic damage. Thus, humans are outfitted with a number of defenses against cancer causing mutations. The proteins p53 and p19ARF repair damaged strands of DNA and help kill off cells with genetic mutations, including those that lead to cancer. Secondly, the innate immune system, which we share with all plants and animals, includes a host of cells and mechanisms that attack cancerous tumors. Of course they don't always do the job, due in some degree to the fine line between proper function and auto-immune disorders.

My point being, genetic mutation, including that which causes cancer, is nothing new and life has evolved methods of dealing with dangerous mutations. Hell, genetic mutation is the driving force of evolution to start with, cancer being an unfortunate side effect. Human activities, however, can cause increased carcinogenic mutations, but to the original author's point, blaming cancer exclusively on human activity, corporate or not, is simply incorrect.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
3. Ah, yes, the political report.
Sat May 24, 2014, 03:44 PM
May 2014

From a group that has chosen to ignore science when it's convenient to them. The last bastion of the anti-science crowd. If you have an actual response to the piece in question, please offer it up.

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
19. What molecular configuration is referred to when you say "man made"?
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:51 PM
May 2014

How does someone looking at the molecular structure diagram tell the difference between a "man made" and a "natural" molecule? What specific attribute differentiates the two?

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
30. Ladies and Gentlemen, I present another sad case of
Sun May 25, 2014, 08:47 AM
May 2014


In any DU thread about medicine or pseudoscience, it is exceedingly likely that someone will invoke the specter of "big pharma" within the first three replies.

Courtesy Flush

(4,558 posts)
31. My wife has cancer, and believes some of those
Sun May 25, 2014, 09:18 AM
May 2014

She's super intelligent and educated, but when doctors tell you that you have terminal brain cancer you want to believe you can fix it, because the medical community cannot.

Our refrigerator is always packed with greens, seeds, grains, and foods I had never heard of before her diagnosis. She is determined to cure herself with diet. It is not working, of course, and she is back on chemo for the second time.

But I play along. She needs to feel like she is putting up the good fight. She works tirelessly at this, and feels like she is in control. I wouldn't rob her of that, any more than I'd discourage a religious cancer patient from praying.

The upside is that we eat a very healthy diet now (we always ate relatively healthy), and we're in good health (not counting the cancer) as a result.

The downside is that this diet (and her meds) keep her very thin, which bothers me. But her doctors don't think that's a problem.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
9. I've seen all of them here
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:48 PM
May 2014

and I make my one sane post and back out of the thread forever. The last thing I want to do is get dragged into the deep end of the crazy pool.

Myths 3 and 5 are particularly hilarious because diet has nothing to do with it because your system's pH is regulated by your lungs and kidneys; and enough bicarb will kill you by throwing you into temporary alkalosis while your lungs and kidneys work to get rid of it and you can die before they do.

Woo heads aren't just ridiculous, they're menaces.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
10. Cancer is not a modern disease.
Sat May 24, 2014, 04:58 PM
May 2014

Even dinosaurs got cancer.

And research done in old graveyards indicates that cancer occurred in the past at pretty much the same rates it does now. Keep in mind, that most cancers do not leave marks on bones, which is all we have to look at, and even with that limited evidence, we can tell that cancer is more or less a constant.

The only connection to modernity is that generally speaking we live longer, and since most cancers occur somewhat later in life, living longer simply gives more time to develop a cancer.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
12. Please just tell me
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:04 PM
May 2014

that my love of wine won't rot my liver and give me liver cancer. Living in this red state, wine is all that keeps me on an even keel.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
15. Alas...
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:09 PM
May 2014

There is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol consumption
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/mar/07/safe-level-alcohol-consumption

I will give this study credit for helping to drink less, which I needed to do, but I'm not giving the stuff up. Enjoy!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
21. It isn't a study, but his opinion
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:11 PM
May 2014

He is discounting the health benefits of moderate use of alcohol due to lack of proof at the same time he is asserting that there's no safe level of alcohol without proof.

There have been countless studies which have linked moderate alcohol consumption to health benefits, far more than the one or two he is citing.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/AlcoholAndHealth.html

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
28. And likewise to the role sugars in the diet can play
Sun May 25, 2014, 12:23 AM
May 2014

I don't think I have ever seen any study assert that sugars cause cancer, but certainly there are many studies that indicate certain cancers depend heavily on sugars to maintain a high growth rate. And there is no question that other sugar-related diseases can weaken the body in general and the immune system in particular, which can be an important factor in cancer survival.

I have no idea what this "IFL Science" site is, but it seems like pop, schlock pseudo-science -- and a connection of science-like articles posted by people with no particular credentials.

paleotn

(17,946 posts)
20. Everything in moderation, my friend....
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:52 PM
May 2014

in this great game of probabilities, some wine now and then is one of the least of our worries. And I agree, it sometimes helps out here in red state America.

Roy Rolling

(6,928 posts)
16. Sorry
Sat May 24, 2014, 05:51 PM
May 2014

I must beg to disagree based on personal experience. Some of the things you mentioned are anecdotal and not proven by exhaustive, peer-reviewed double-blind studies.

They are nonetheless effective in some cases and do not merit the label "myth".

Some are hype, but such a complex discussion cannot be made here any more than dismissing them in a media-friendly sound-bite list can. There are many cancers, it is a very diverse and complicated disease.

No offense intended.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
27. That's a rather vague response.
Sun May 25, 2014, 12:04 AM
May 2014

If there are claims made in the OP that you think are not based on the consensus of peer reviewed evidence, please bring the evidence showing otherwise forward. That's what discussion boards are here for, after all.

mopinko

(70,198 posts)
24. lost a niece to shark cartilage. and a macrobiotic diet.
Sat May 24, 2014, 11:42 PM
May 2014

for lung cancer. because she was just too young to have cancer. it just couldnt be. but a guy on the interwebs told them it wasnt really cancer.
parents went broke, and lost their daughter. and got divorced.
woo kills.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
26. Oh, man.
Sun May 25, 2014, 12:02 AM
May 2014

I know they're anecdotes, but I've heard far too many similar stories. They break my heart.

Take care. Peace be with you and your family.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
36. just what is a superfood? Myth 2
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:32 PM
May 2014

If one doesn't eat food...they will not die from cancer.. they will probably die from something other than cancer.
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so food eating...any food, makes it more likely one will die from cancer
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not eating any food makes it impossible to die from cancer...usually
if by "prevent" they mean impossible to get...geez, that is goofy

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