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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEMS docs suggest Zimmerman didn't sustain serious injuries, call for a 2nd ambulance was cancelled
So much for "he moved his head from the concrete to the grass so that if his head were hit one more time he wouldn;t have to wear diapers and be spoon fed by his brother."
Zimmermans condition is mentioned briefly in the 30-minute recording.
Do we have a second patient? a man asks.
Thats affirmative. We have a second patient, a woman replies. The second patient is not a gunshot.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ems-tapes-show-george-zimmerman-sustain-fatal-injuries-encounter-trayvon-martin-article-1.1053821
K Gardner
(14,933 posts)SteveABG
(134 posts)obviously because the paramedics whipped out some crazy Mr. Miyagi stuff and fixed the broken nose and battered skull by just laying hands on him!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Amazing how that fixes a broken nose and a concussion!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Imagine the savings for the medical system!
SteveABG
(134 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I wonder how that paramedic deals with the crap we used to deal with using all that fancy equipment though.
Thanks.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Was he injured but not enough for and ambulance? Or not injured at all?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And some early reporting matters and jives.
On arrival senior medic had a code and a walking wounded. This is basic triage.
Somebody in the crew requested a second ambulance. Since in the us you have a fire crew and an ambulance at scene, four worked the code, that be Trayvon, and the other two checked zimmy. Probably Basic EMTs.
At one point he refused the ambulance, that was already responding from further out, and the crew cancelled them. Why emergency communications asked if there was a second patient. Which they indeed did have.
Which also translates to an against medical advise somewhere and the first aid the Orlando Sentinel referred to.
So the he was given first aid in the back of a police squad jives. What you can also infer is the injuries were very minor.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Ill assume the first cop on the scene was correct in that Zimmy had some blood on his nose and head. Given the short time frame between giving treatment and Zimmy being driven to the station, its safe to assume little treatment was given. At the station, there is no visible injuries, blood, or bandages. So, if the treatment was merely wiping off blood, and there was no further bleeding, I think a good hypothesis is that the blood wiped off Zimmy coild have been Trayvons, and not Zimmys.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The only problem is that evidence was destroyed and that shirt and jacket was squeaky clean.
This leads to some speculation of my own, where ballistics will matter, Trayvon was shot at range.
9mm are infamous for going through at short range. This means an entry and exit, and the size of both tells you the direction of travel for that bullet.
No, not a gun nut, learned about these things when we started having too much gun play.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)If there was any blood on George, the officers would wear gloves.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)treating it as they should have.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Witness accounts had Zimmy placing hands on Trayvons back immediatly after shooting him. Then after arising, he was holding his head. It seems very likely he transfered Trayvons blood to his head, either accidently or deliberately.
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)and later, he showed up at the station without any discernible injuries, does potentially explain the "first aid treatment" in the back of the police cruiser. Oh boy, the more that comes out, the more problems that these zimmies have, coupled with their ever evolving, confused recounting of "facts" that seem to be appearing out of the clear blue as the days go by.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)After reading all the posts I am seeing why they have rules of evidence in a criminal trial. Same information ten conclusions.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)If it wasn't ...
And yes, that is why they have them.
When this comes to trial will only be relevant if the ballistics reveal close range.
Otherwise it lets us poke holes.
It also reveals that dad was not a criminal judge. Or he'd know better.
This almost reads like a boiler plate crime novel...in fact, I bet a few writers are keeping notes.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)I am tracking all the leaks. Have time to do it. Adding them up and will make my guess at what happened. Then compare it to what the trial shows. Poke away! I am doing the same.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Gee I wonder why?
Another side of the story crumbles.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Even just First Aid Certification, it makes no sense at all!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,986 posts)There goes another bagger talking point.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)All these self-serving statements from the Zimmerman camp are blowing up in their face. I am reminded of a scene from Tommy Boy.
Nicole Taylor, Action 8 News: "Sir, what exactly happened here?"
Bank Guard: "He came out of the shadows behind me. And after he hit me many many times in the head, with a hammer, I had to give him my gun. You know, I've got kids."
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)In Florida, it's just as likely that he's old guard Dem, as he is right-winger. Wouldn't surprise me either way.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yes Lawrence went there the other day.
Baitball Blogger
(46,711 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You figure it out.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Probably not a good old boy Fl Dem.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)All we hear about is the Dad.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If a conservative catholic like the father, she probably had similar political views.
SteveABG
(134 posts)It said "Zimmerman did not sustain fatal injuries".
Of course not, since he isn't dead.
What they meant was no serious injuries.
Editors, anyone?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)We already knew EMS was there, did not transport Zimmerman.
By inference he signed AMA paperwork and was not all that badly injured.
Then we have two versions of the police video, one a bit higher quality than the other and there *might* be something on the back of his head according to some. (they have better eyes than I do).
The state attorney is still sitting on everything probative
Zimmerman is still walking around free...
pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Duh.
spicegal
(758 posts)provided. With just a little investigative work, it wouldn't be difficult to determine the extent of GZ's injuries. However, the fact remains that GZ was the aggressor. He was the one in pursuit, who got out of his car and confronted Trayvon. I'd be willing to bet that Trayvon was the one feeling threatened. GZ's story just does't add up.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Most of us on this board are definitely not shocked. Arrest this piece of shit NOW. WTF is taking so long?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)...my guess is they are going to drag this out for as long as possible.
ALSO...if no one takes action within 160 days, Zimmerman is off scott-free. Rev. Al and others were talking about this yesterday. Trayvon was murdered on February 26th. Add 160 days to that date, and if there hasn't been an arrest, Zimmerman WALKS, period.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and while I hope he's arrested SOON, I suspect he will never again really be free. Once they failed in their cover up, his life ended. In prison or out, he will be looking over his shoulder til the day he dies.
Amerigo Vespucci
(30,885 posts)I don't think they can stall. That doesn't mean they didn't consider it. I just don't think they can get away with it.
My gut is telling me he's going to walk, one way or another. Plea deal, community service, something...I don't know what.
If he were to set foot behind bars, he'd become a trophy on day one. He'd be the guy who killed a 17 year old black kid and called him a "fucking coon" right before he did it.
And if he gets off, he's still that guy. A trophy behind bars or a trophy on the streets is still a trophy.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)but I don't think he'll walk. Once the feds got involved, I think that changed everything, with potential for hate crime.
The more that comes out, the more this looks like murder one. Not that he'll necessarily get charged with murder, but the more that comes out the more it looks like he hunted Trayvon down and killed him in cold blood.
And you are right. In prison or out, he is a trophy, regardless.