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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:04 PM Mar 2012

EMS docs suggest Zimmerman didn't sustain serious injuries, call for a 2nd ambulance was cancelled

So much for "he moved his head from the concrete to the grass so that if his head were hit one more time he wouldn;t have to wear diapers and be spoon fed by his brother."



On Friday, the Daily News obtained EMS documents suggesting Zimmerman, who an ex-colleague said was fired from a security job for being too aggressive, did not sustain serious injuries in the fatal encounter. Paperwork detailing the EMS response to the shooting scene shows that a call for a second ambulance was canceled. An audiotape containing the EMS communications, also obtained by The News on Friday, records unidentified workers discussing the scene.

Zimmerman’s condition is mentioned briefly in the 30-minute recording.

“Do we have a second patient?” a man asks.

“That’s affirmative. We have a second patient,” a woman replies. “The second patient is not a gunshot.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ems-tapes-show-george-zimmerman-sustain-fatal-injuries-encounter-trayvon-martin-article-1.1053821
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EMS docs suggest Zimmerman didn't sustain serious injuries, call for a 2nd ambulance was cancelled (Original Post) Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 OP
bingo. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #1
Yeah, but we already knew it's SteveABG Mar 2012 #2
Wax on wax off!! Rex Mar 2012 #3
I want to attend THAT Medic school! nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #5
this might explain it SteveABG Mar 2012 #6
Oops, as a Jew I ain't qualifying. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #10
I thought everyone was saying he had no injuries at all. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #9
I'll translate since been on those scenes nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #12
Some speculation here. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #19
Or a very minor injury. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #22
NO GLOVES on officers grasswire Mar 2012 #26
makes sense. and it should have been tested to see whose blood it was. but they were already not robinlynne Mar 2012 #30
As a further speculation HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #24
Bingo, that explains why he had blood on his face..... and if they WIPED the blood off his face Ecumenist Mar 2012 #37
He had minor injuries then. Or it was Trevons Blood. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #28
If it was they destroyed evidence nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #29
Sure does. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31
Didn't this old medic call this? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #4
With ANY kind of medical training HockeyMom Mar 2012 #15
Oops Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2012 #7
Story is falling apart pokerfan Mar 2012 #8
I would love to learn more about Robert Zimmerman's political affiliations. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #11
Dad is registered republican nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #13
Thanks! Glad to hear it. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #16
Zimmerman Sr. is a Pug. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #14
He was retired from Virginia. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #20
Has any one looked into the Mom's affiliations? Arctic Dave Mar 2012 #23
She is from Peru. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #25
They messed up the headline on NY Daily News, though SteveABG Mar 2012 #17
This is not really new information, though the audio is good to have ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #18
The headline actually said that Zimmerman didn't sustain FATAL injuries. pnwmom Mar 2012 #21
EMS would have completed a written report detailing the injuries and treatment spicegal Mar 2012 #27
Well well well... Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #32
Dotting a few I's and crossing a few T's I hope. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #33
Incompetence and/or corruption of local law enforcement exposed for the world to see... Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #34
160 days is still a long way from February 26 magical thyme Mar 2012 #35
My guess is 160 days is too long...Sanford would be in flames by that point. Amerigo Vespucci Mar 2012 #36
it may be wishful thinking magical thyme Mar 2012 #38

SteveABG

(134 posts)
2. Yeah, but we already knew it's
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:12 PM
Mar 2012

obviously because the paramedics whipped out some crazy Mr. Miyagi stuff and fixed the broken nose and battered skull by just laying hands on him!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. Oops, as a Jew I ain't qualifying.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:43 PM
Mar 2012

I wonder how that paramedic deals with the crap we used to deal with using all that fancy equipment though.

Thanks.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
9. I thought everyone was saying he had no injuries at all.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:43 PM
Mar 2012

Was he injured but not enough for and ambulance? Or not injured at all?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. I'll translate since been on those scenes
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:50 PM
Mar 2012

And some early reporting matters and jives.

On arrival senior medic had a code and a walking wounded. This is basic triage.

Somebody in the crew requested a second ambulance. Since in the us you have a fire crew and an ambulance at scene, four worked the code, that be Trayvon, and the other two checked zimmy. Probably Basic EMTs.

At one point he refused the ambulance, that was already responding from further out, and the crew cancelled them. Why emergency communications asked if there was a second patient. Which they indeed did have.

Which also translates to an against medical advise somewhere and the first aid the Orlando Sentinel referred to.

So the he was given first aid in the back of a police squad jives. What you can also infer is the injuries were very minor.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. Some speculation here.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:49 PM
Mar 2012

Ill assume the first cop on the scene was correct in that Zimmy had some blood on his nose and head. Given the short time frame between giving treatment and Zimmy being driven to the station, its safe to assume little treatment was given. At the station, there is no visible injuries, blood, or bandages. So, if the treatment was merely wiping off blood, and there was no further bleeding, I think a good hypothesis is that the blood wiped off Zimmy coild have been Trayvons, and not Zimmys.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
22. Or a very minor injury.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:56 PM
Mar 2012

The only problem is that evidence was destroyed and that shirt and jacket was squeaky clean.

This leads to some speculation of my own, where ballistics will matter, Trayvon was shot at range.

9mm are infamous for going through at short range. This means an entry and exit, and the size of both tells you the direction of travel for that bullet.

No, not a gun nut, learned about these things when we started having too much gun play.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
30. makes sense. and it should have been tested to see whose blood it was. but they were already not
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

treating it as they should have.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
24. As a further speculation
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:58 PM
Mar 2012

Witness accounts had Zimmy placing hands on Trayvons back immediatly after shooting him. Then after arising, he was holding his head. It seems very likely he transfered Trayvons blood to his head, either accidently or deliberately.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
37. Bingo, that explains why he had blood on his face..... and if they WIPED the blood off his face
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:51 PM
Mar 2012

and later, he showed up at the station without any discernible injuries, does potentially explain the "first aid treatment" in the back of the police cruiser. Oh boy, the more that comes out, the more problems that these zimmies have, coupled with their ever evolving, confused recounting of "facts" that seem to be appearing out of the clear blue as the days go by.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
28. He had minor injuries then. Or it was Trevons Blood.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:05 PM
Mar 2012

After reading all the posts I am seeing why they have rules of evidence in a criminal trial. Same information ten conclusions.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
29. If it was they destroyed evidence
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:08 PM
Mar 2012

If it wasn't ...

And yes, that is why they have them.

When this comes to trial will only be relevant if the ballistics reveal close range.

Otherwise it lets us poke holes.

It also reveals that dad was not a criminal judge. Or he'd know better.

This almost reads like a boiler plate crime novel...in fact, I bet a few writers are keeping notes.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
31. Sure does.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:23 PM
Mar 2012

I am tracking all the leaks. Have time to do it. Adding them up and will make my guess at what happened. Then compare it to what the trial shows. Poke away! I am doing the same.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
8. Story is falling apart
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:42 PM
Mar 2012

All these self-serving statements from the Zimmerman camp are blowing up in their face. I am reminded of a scene from Tommy Boy.

Nicole Taylor, Action 8 News: "Sir, what exactly happened here?"

Bank Guard: "He came out of the shadows behind me. And after he hit me many many times in the head, with a hammer, I had to give him my gun. You know, I've got kids."

Baitball Blogger

(46,711 posts)
11. I would love to learn more about Robert Zimmerman's political affiliations.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 02:44 PM
Mar 2012

In Florida, it's just as likely that he's old guard Dem, as he is right-winger. Wouldn't surprise me either way.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
25. She is from Peru.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 04:03 PM
Mar 2012

If a conservative catholic like the father, she probably had similar political views.

SteveABG

(134 posts)
17. They messed up the headline on NY Daily News, though
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:33 PM
Mar 2012

It said "Zimmerman did not sustain fatal injuries".

Of course not, since he isn't dead.

What they meant was no serious injuries.

Editors, anyone?

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
18. This is not really new information, though the audio is good to have
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

We already knew EMS was there, did not transport Zimmerman.

By inference he signed AMA paperwork and was not all that badly injured.

Then we have two versions of the police video, one a bit higher quality than the other and there *might* be something on the back of his head according to some. (they have better eyes than I do).

The state attorney is still sitting on everything probative

Zimmerman is still walking around free...

spicegal

(758 posts)
27. EMS would have completed a written report detailing the injuries and treatment
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

provided. With just a little investigative work, it wouldn't be difficult to determine the extent of GZ's injuries. However, the fact remains that GZ was the aggressor. He was the one in pursuit, who got out of his car and confronted Trayvon. I'd be willing to bet that Trayvon was the one feeling threatened. GZ's story just does't add up.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
32. Well well well...
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 05:57 PM
Mar 2012

Most of us on this board are definitely not shocked. Arrest this piece of shit NOW. WTF is taking so long?

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
34. Incompetence and/or corruption of local law enforcement exposed for the world to see...
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:23 PM
Mar 2012

...my guess is they are going to drag this out for as long as possible.

ALSO...if no one takes action within 160 days, Zimmerman is off scott-free. Rev. Al and others were talking about this yesterday. Trayvon was murdered on February 26th. Add 160 days to that date, and if there hasn't been an arrest, Zimmerman WALKS, period.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
35. 160 days is still a long way from February 26
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:32 PM
Mar 2012

and while I hope he's arrested SOON, I suspect he will never again really be free. Once they failed in their cover up, his life ended. In prison or out, he will be looking over his shoulder til the day he dies.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
36. My guess is 160 days is too long...Sanford would be in flames by that point.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:36 PM
Mar 2012

I don't think they can stall. That doesn't mean they didn't consider it. I just don't think they can get away with it.

My gut is telling me he's going to walk, one way or another. Plea deal, community service, something...I don't know what.

If he were to set foot behind bars, he'd become a trophy on day one. He'd be the guy who killed a 17 year old black kid and called him a "fucking coon" right before he did it.

And if he gets off, he's still that guy. A trophy behind bars or a trophy on the streets is still a trophy.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
38. it may be wishful thinking
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:58 PM
Mar 2012

but I don't think he'll walk. Once the feds got involved, I think that changed everything, with potential for hate crime.

The more that comes out, the more this looks like murder one. Not that he'll necessarily get charged with murder, but the more that comes out the more it looks like he hunted Trayvon down and killed him in cold blood.

And you are right. In prison or out, he is a trophy, regardless.

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