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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:27 PM May 2014

Turn on CNN right fugging now - Chris died because of craven irresponsible politicians and the NRA

Last edited Sun May 25, 2014, 07:57 AM - Edit history (1)

When will this insanity stop? We don't have to live like this.

Chris Martinez's father in tears at the death of his son.

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Turn on CNN right fugging now - Chris died because of craven irresponsible politicians and the NRA (Original Post) malaise May 2014 OP
? Cooley Hurd May 2014 #1
Who's Chris oneofthe99 May 2014 #2
victim in last night's Santa Barbara shooting rollin74 May 2014 #3
Thank you! Cooley Hurd May 2014 #6
There are several threads here and CNN has been covering this all day malaise May 2014 #9
Thank you Malaise! Cooley Hurd May 2014 #11
Cool Cooley Hurd malaise May 2014 #12
Just saw the replay... Cooley Hurd May 2014 #15
Yep that was hard to watch malaise May 2014 #25
and some of us don't have tv dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #63
Just a reminder that not everyone Le Taz Hot May 2014 #19
Valid point malaise May 2014 #23
Someone posted the link to the press conference below. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #34
He's my new hero malaise May 2014 #36
Some of us don't have CNN Sedona May 2014 #4
Will this help? kelliekat44 May 2014 #7
there's no mention of it at cnn.com magical thyme May 2014 #8
I don't have cable smallcat88 May 2014 #43
There's no doubt about that. Though the ghoulish, grave-pissing defense of the NRA villager May 2014 #5
As facts emerge I'm guessing this shooter oneofthe99 May 2014 #10
Actually, I read somewhere Le Taz Hot May 2014 #22
Asperger's and "charming" don't exactly tend to go together. Although I suppose he could have nomorenomore08 May 2014 #67
I wasn't referring to his Asperger's. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #71
Agreed all around. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #73
Same trait that factored into Klebold at Columbine. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #76
Other way around. I know the family. nt Laffy Kat May 2014 #78
Whoops, you're correct. I got the names backwards. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #79
On that bodybuilding forum, they called him a "future psychopath" arcane1 May 2014 #32
The NRA works to make sure everyone can get a gun Doctor_J May 2014 #77
here is the video of the press announcement magical thyme May 2014 #13
Hard to watch malaise May 2014 #14
I am SO glad he mentioned Le Taz Hot May 2014 #29
don't read the comments at the CNN website... mark eagledove May 2014 #53
Makes me wish some of these fuckers would stick Precious in their own mouths... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #68
Don't read the comments on DU: Gunners on a rampage here as well...Anything for their dumb hobby alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #80
I'm glad he called out the NRA. /eom IcyPeas May 2014 #16
Saw it mcar May 2014 #17
California has some of the strictest guns aikoaiko May 2014 #18
At this stage I don't think the poor father cares about how the killer got his gun. I'm glad he AlinPA May 2014 #52
I guess my point is... aikoaiko May 2014 #56
And that's interesting? How does that help the father and other parents subjected to gun violence AlinPA May 2014 #61
Well if its not the NRA and less restrictive laws then we might consider other causes and prevention aikoaiko May 2014 #66
Background checks are bullshit 951-Riverside May 2014 #62
I think improving mental health red flags in background checks is a more likely prospect aikoaiko May 2014 #69
Some good common sense ideas. I thought all guns were confiscated from convicts already. ErikJ May 2014 #75
I shudder to think of the fucked-up world my kids deutsey May 2014 #20
I'm glad I don't have any. Brigid May 2014 #38
Me too. tom_kelly May 2014 #58
Yes I am very worried for the children malaise May 2014 #41
two more of the victims magical thyme May 2014 #21
Good grief malaise May 2014 #27
that was righteous anger eShirl May 2014 #24
Pain too malaise May 2014 #30
Heartbreaking Sweet Freedom May 2014 #26
Heard it on the radio a bit ago... SoapBox May 2014 #28
That poor man. He is spot on but what a tragedy he is going through. MoonRiver May 2014 #31
Lots of parents and families are in unnecessary pain today - something has to give malaise May 2014 #35
I know MoonRiver May 2014 #48
I want to read his manifesto malaise May 2014 #45
Damn right, they have as much blood on their hands as the asshole who killed those people. Actually lostincalifornia May 2014 #33
+1! Le Taz Hot May 2014 #39
Its bigger than that though. BootinUp May 2014 #37
Well, stricter gun laws - background checks, licensing/registration - certainly wouldn't *worsen* nomorenomore08 May 2014 #70
OK, gun nuts: Brigid May 2014 #40
they will say iandhr May 2014 #49
I expect the gun nuts to threaten him over this. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #42
They most certainly will iandhr May 2014 #47
Feel sorry for that poor man smallcat88 May 2014 #44
I want all the parents to join him malaise May 2014 #46
And they should join with all the many, many other parents and families who have lost loved ones MoonRiver May 2014 #50
Indeed malaise May 2014 #55
Never blkmusclmachine May 2014 #51
+1.000 malaise May 2014 #54
"Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics AlinPA May 2014 #57
Apparently malaise May 2014 #60
The NRA tom_kelly May 2014 #59
I hadn't thought about that. Brigid May 2014 #64
Press conference on now n/t malaise May 2014 #65
k&r... spanone May 2014 #72
"What about Chris' right to live?" flamingdem May 2014 #74
I even saw it on BBC this morning malaise May 2014 #81
I'm glad he could compose himself to make that statement flamingdem May 2014 #82
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
11. Thank you Malaise!
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:50 PM
May 2014

When I see "Turn On CNN right Fugging Now", I'm brought back to the breaking news on 9/11/01. I love ya - you know I do - but when you post such a statement, please provide a little bit of context. It saves me (and anyone who hasn't been pegged on DU all day long) the trouble of the Googling.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
63. and some of us don't have tv
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:35 PM
May 2014

so thankfully we don't have to watch CNN..
but, my dear
that underscores that contect is everything.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
19. Just a reminder that not everyone
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:26 PM
May 2014

has access to CNN. I didn't know who "Chris" was either. I do know who Elliott Rodgers is via various postings on DU.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
23. Valid point
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:31 PM
May 2014

Everyone will know who he is in a few days because his father's comments are going viral as I type

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
34. Someone posted the link to the press conference below.
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
May 2014

Just breaks your heart. And good for him for calling out the "craven politicians" and the NRA!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. there's no mention of it at cnn.com
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:42 PM
May 2014

apparently there was a press announcement on teevee or something. but it's not on the website.

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
5. There's no doubt about that. Though the ghoulish, grave-pissing defense of the NRA
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:34 PM
May 2014

...will of course continue....

 

oneofthe99

(712 posts)
10. As facts emerge I'm guessing this shooter
Sat May 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
May 2014

will probably have a regiment of prescribed psych drugs , will have many people who knew him say
there was something off ,It would be nice for a change to hear what his treating physician
has to say. Blaming the NRA will prove not accurate

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
22. Actually, I read somewhere
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:30 PM
May 2014

where one of his relatives found one of his crazy YouTube videos and called the SB police. They interviewed him and determined that he was a nice, polite young man and they didn't think there was anything to worry about. I guess none of them has ever dealt with a sociopath. It's one of their traits. They can be charming as hell to your face, all the while plotting your torture and death.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
67. Asperger's and "charming" don't exactly tend to go together. Although I suppose he could have
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:42 PM
May 2014

learned to "fake" normalcy to a certain extent.

Again, having an autism spectrum disorder doesn't lead to mass murder, but Antisocial Personality Disorder ("psychopathy&quot certainly can and does.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
71. I wasn't referring to his Asperger's.
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:58 PM
May 2014

I honestly don't think the Asperger's was a factor here. The "charming" part has to do with the sociopath part. It's why they can lure victims in so easily. The trouble with this guy was that his severe neediness along with outrageous expectations about women betrayed him so his "charm," at least with women, was trumped by his "creep" factor. His "charm, however, was good enough to fool the police.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
76. Same trait that factored into Klebold at Columbine.
Sat May 24, 2014, 09:25 PM
May 2014

Harris was a manic-depressive, but klebold was a sociopath. He knew he was putting up a front, as detailed in FBI documents released after the investigation was closed.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
32. On that bodybuilding forum, they called him a "future psychopath"
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
May 2014

And I read on here somewhere that more than one person had mentioned him to some sort of law-enforcement.

This will, unfortunately, not be one of those "out of nowhere" surprises

mark eagledove

(76 posts)
53. don't read the comments at the CNN website...
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:19 PM
May 2014

You will lose any remaining faith in humanity. Right underneath a heartbroken father, the cretins who vote for these "craven politicians and the NRA" appear and mouth off. These people are depraved. We MUST stand up to them.

mcar

(42,372 posts)
17. Saw it
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:21 PM
May 2014

Broke my heart. That poor father will probably get death threats from NRA nuts but his words couldn't be more true.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
18. California has some of the strictest guns
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:25 PM
May 2014

It will be interesting to see if the killer's weapon was bought within those laws or if he circumvented them.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
52. At this stage I don't think the poor father cares about how the killer got his gun. I'm glad he
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:18 PM
May 2014

pointed to the gutless politicians and NRA.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
56. I guess my point is...
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:23 PM
May 2014

...that the gun may be been acquired legally in state with the most anti-NRA legislators.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
61. And that's interesting? How does that help the father and other parents subjected to gun violence
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:30 PM
May 2014

so often in America?

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
66. Well if its not the NRA and less restrictive laws then we might consider other causes and prevention
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:39 PM
May 2014
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
62. Background checks are bullshit
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:32 PM
May 2014

Background checks only prevents people who have sought treatment for various mental illnesses from owning guns.

The only way to prevent tragedies like this is by a total gun ban like in England and Australia or requiring all gun owners to submit to a $2,500 fee, a psyche eval and interview every 5 years in addition to holding gun owners responsible for any crime committed with a weapon that was not properly secured. Furthermore any gun owner arrested for any crime would automatically have to forfeit all weapons until the case is adjudicated.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
69. I think improving mental health red flags in background checks is a more likely prospect
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:47 PM
May 2014

We just need to work out due process and privacy issues so that we can include people who are dangerous because of mental instability.
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
75. Some good common sense ideas. I thought all guns were confiscated from convicts already.
Sat May 24, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

Police depts. have garages full of them usually.

tom_kelly

(962 posts)
58. Me too.
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:27 PM
May 2014

Never had children but I've received much joy from nieces and nephews. You're right, its worrying.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
30. Pain too
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:36 PM
May 2014

Did you see him double over in anguish at the end.
I cannot imagine what his family is experiencing now - the kid was not only a nice young man but he had a 4.0GPA.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
28. Heard it on the radio a bit ago...
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:35 PM
May 2014

Cue the NRA, Fuks News and Gun Krazies to come to the defense of guns and the killer.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
35. Lots of parents and families are in unnecessary pain today - something has to give
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:38 PM
May 2014

but since nothing has been done for the close to 30 slaughtered at Sandy Hook, I have my doubts that the NRA or the tools they have bought give a flying fuck.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
45. I want to read his manifesto
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:54 PM
May 2014

It's the story of his life starting with the fact that his birth was an accident.
What a victim.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
33. Damn right, they have as much blood on their hands as the asshole who killed those people. Actually
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:37 PM
May 2014

more, because of all the deaths that occur due to their inaction

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
70. Well, stricter gun laws - background checks, licensing/registration - certainly wouldn't *worsen*
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:51 PM
May 2014

our gun violence problem. But I agree there are other factors at play, lack of proper mental health care being a big one.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
44. Feel sorry for that poor man
Sat May 24, 2014, 07:54 PM
May 2014

but I'm really happy he called out the NRA and gutless politicians who refuse to stand up to them. Can't wait to hear the spin the gun nuts try to throw his way. Hopefully this will wake more people up. It's not about the right to bear arms anymore; it's about the right of gun manufacturers to sell them.
Martinez has every right to call them out; ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! We have the right to live free of random shootings.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
50. And they should join with all the many, many other parents and families who have lost loved ones
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:07 PM
May 2014

to gun toting maniacs, and march on Washington!

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
57. "Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:25 PM
May 2014

are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"-- President Obama, December 2012

malaise

(269,157 posts)
60. Apparently
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:30 PM
May 2014

Gabby Gifford was a member of Congress and she was almost killed. Look how many children and young adults have been slaughtered since her shooting and still nothing has changed.

tom_kelly

(962 posts)
59. The NRA
Sat May 24, 2014, 08:30 PM
May 2014

Based on their history, they are probably planning a future convention in Santa Barbara. Those assholes seem to think the best defense their sickening offense.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
82. I'm glad he could compose himself to make that statement
Sun May 25, 2014, 01:11 PM
May 2014

a direct call out of the NRA with that level of emotion is something I don't remember from other parents. That must have connected over in Britain. They can't imagine putting up with the NRA mafia.

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