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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:03 PM May 2014

Memorial Days and Veterans Days always make me feel weird.


Especially when someone says "Thank you for your service." You see, I was an infantryman in Vietnam, but I did not serve willingly. I was drafted, forced into a deadly form of involuntary servitude, and whatever illusions I might originally have had about the rightness of the war were quickly torn from me when I saw what we were doing to the innocent people, the sacred soils, the beautiful waters and jungles and mountains of that tormented land.

"No, don't thank me," I want to say. "Forgive me. Forgive me for participating in that awful event in your name. If you must thank me for something, then thank me for joining the movement to stop the war when I got home. Maybe thank me for the things I have tried to do for the castoffs of society--the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled, the emotionally damaged products of chaotic and abusive homes who have gone on to fill our jails and prisons. But don't thank me for going off to participate in the destruction of a foreign land whose residents never intended any harm to you or me."

(I wrote this a few years ago & re-post it for Memorial & Veterans Days.)
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Memorial Days and Veterans Days always make me feel weird. (Original Post) Jackpine Radical May 2014 OP
Thanks. I just posted this in another thread: Aristus May 2014 #1
People could be reacting against the idea treestar May 2014 #2
The stories of the spat-upon veterans are myths RufusTFirefly May 2014 #14
Good OP. quinnox May 2014 #3
Agree! Quite true! n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #5
It's still true, and it's still important. And thank you for speaking out PDJane May 2014 #4
How about Thank You for the Truth? joanbarnes May 2014 #6
That's tough man. Ash_F May 2014 #7
Thanks for sharing how You feel! I know many who feel the same but can't express it! hue May 2014 #8
Thank you for your honesty. Boomerproud May 2014 #9
my father was a lifer in and died in the service... it makes me feel at home some how. Ellipsis May 2014 #10
I feel similar... Bigmack May 2014 #11
I do want to wish all Veterans a good AsahinaKimi May 2014 #12
Forgive us for sending you there. Glad spooky3 May 2014 #13
Thanks for saying this. beemer27 May 2014 #15
As Charlie RANGEL said, minorities & other disadvantaged join from economic necessity UTUSN May 2014 #16
I could have written this. jaysunb May 2014 #17
Thanks Jackpine. I feel much the same. Scuba May 2014 #18

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
14. The stories of the spat-upon veterans are myths
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

Perhaps you knew that. I couldn't tell for sure from your post.

There's at least one scholarly book that investigated those stories and found no basis to them.

Here's David Sirota talking about the tenacious mythology in his review ("The Legend of the Spat-Upon Veteran") of the book, The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam.

Metaphorically, if not explicitly, the mythology equates antiwar activism with dishonoring the troops; implies that such protest is kryptonite to the Pentagon's Superman; and therefore insinuates that America loses wars not when policies are wrong, but when dissent is tolerated.

As political memes go, this 30-year Vietnam storyline has been wildly successful, helping presidents silence opposition to the Iraq War, the continued Afghanistan occupation, our expanding drone wars, and, of course, our ever-increasing defense budgets.


Unfortunately, having one's treasured myth debunked is a bit like being awakened from sleepwalking. People often react erratically and even hostilely.
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. Good OP.
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
May 2014

Never been in the military myself, but I think these holidays are very in line with the continued glorification of the U.S. military and war culture in this country.

The more you can get the sheep, common citizens, to glorify the military and soldiers, the easier it is to manipulate them into supporting wars.

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
4. It's still true, and it's still important. And thank you for speaking out
Mon May 26, 2014, 01:08 PM
May 2014

And seeing those who are disadvantaged and poor.

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
11. I feel similar...
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:50 PM
May 2014

When people say... "Thanks for protecting our country." I want to tell them I did 4 years in the Marine Corps and never once..not even for a second.. protected this country.

I killed and brutalized lots of 3rd World people, but that sure wasn't protecting the US.

I don't say that, of course.

I can barely stand "Thank you for your service."

I have - from time to time - said that my most fervent wish as a veteran is that we stop making so damned many veterans.... time to dial back on the Empire.

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
12. I do want to wish all Veterans a good
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:52 PM
May 2014

Memorial Day. I hope many of you get to go out and barbeque... (envy!) I would love some BBQ Chicken!

beemer27

(462 posts)
15. Thanks for saying this.
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

I enlisted in the Army, and volunteered for Nam. I was also 18, and believed all the lies that we were fed. At the time some of the bullshit didn't make sense to me, but I assumed that men who were "smarter and older" than me knew what they were doing, and I believed them. For every one of us who lived that nightmare, and speak up about today's lies, there are 100 sheep who have bought the MIC line and believe it like the Bible. Are we so gullible that we must continue to repeat the same mistakes over and over? We just wasted over 6000 American lives in the Mideast, and spent Trillions of our children's dollars on a war that brought profit to only a select few, and did nothing for the population of any country. And we still hear the same shrill voices in government calling for military action in many different parts of the world. How many Billions in profits must these bloodsuckers make before we stop them? If you have any answers, share them with the rest of us.

UTUSN

(70,743 posts)
16. As Charlie RANGEL said, minorities & other disadvantaged join from economic necessity
Mon May 26, 2014, 04:05 PM
May 2014

And it was more honest a hundred yrs ago when the wealthy paid for substitutes to go in their place. So a form of indentured servitude, uncomfortably close to being in prison. Well, I did volunteer at the height of '67 unrest and from a campus where unrest was the norm, for my own reasons. And I've said the thank-you stuff irks me, to which somebody here said, "Why can't you just be gracious and say you're-welcome and let it go." Fine. Too often it's the chicken hawk wingnuts who do it, which smacks of the underlying message, "Thanks for going so I didn't have to."

That said, we're sometimes The Angry Veteran. Today I saw a scowling dude with a black t-shirt on that said, "EVERY DAY IS VETERANS DAY." He wasn't attuned to the "memorial" part of this particular day. But then, neither are the long-weekend partiers.

And the bloodthirsty NeoCons took as their main lesson from the anti-Draft portion of Vietnam protest that they would not allow for the Draft to distract from the wars they had waited so long to wreak.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
17. I could have written this.
Mon May 26, 2014, 04:08 PM
May 2014

Our story is identical... except I was a medic in a M.A.S.H unit.

When I was drafted in "65", Vietnam was beginning to heat up, but hadn't become the killing fields it became. I had no idea that this place and time would forever alter my life and the way I see the world and the people in it.

Today, I mourn those left behind and regret very much that they did not get to see this day.

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