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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:05 PM Mar 2012

Here's why the health care law's MLR rule is significant

Medigap Medical Loss Ratio Improvement Act

Posted by Don McCanne MD on Wednesday, Jul 27, 2011

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Meanwhile, the industry is on the verge of gutting the medical-loss ratio (MLR) rule. The MLR requires insurance companies to spend at least 80 percent of premiums on medical care – and if they don’t, the money must be rebated to policyholders.

Insurers hate the MLR rule for obvious reasons – they want to spend less on providing actual health care so they can increase returns for profits and salaries for executives. So lobbyists have been hard at work twisting arms at the state and federal level.

They may have gotten their way. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC) – an organization representing the chief insurance regulators in all 50 states – voted to send a resolution to Congress in support of suspending or changing the calculation of the MLR.

If Congress agrees, $1 billion in expected rebates would be cancelled and the MLR rule voided. Lynn Quincy of the watchdog group Consumers Union said of the decision: “This is a serious setback in the struggle to protect consumers. … It is also a step back for working families.”

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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2011/december/less-care-for-fewer-and-fewer

The fact is this is a huge change, and the insurance companies didn't get their way.

HHS ensures consumers get better value for their health insurance dollar
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/02/20120216b.html

Here is PNHP commenting on a similar proposal to change Medigap.

Medigap Medical Loss Ratio Improvement Act
Posted by Don McCanne MD

Rep. Stark, Sen. Kerry Introduce Bill to Provide Medicare Beneficiaries Better Value for Their Medigap Premium Dollars

Congressman Pete Stark
Press Release, July 26, 2011

Today, Rep. Pete Stark (D-CA) and Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) introduced the Medigap Medical Loss Ratio Improvement Act. The legislation improves consumer protections in the Medigap marketplace by raising the minimum percentage of premium dollars that must go toward medical care, not executive compensation or administrative costs. This percentage is called the medical loss ratio (MLR).

Under current law, Medigap insurers are required to meet an MLR of only 65 percent in the individual marketplace and 75 percent in the group market. The Medigap Medical Loss Ratio Improvement Act would require Medigap insurance plans to spend at least 85 percent of every premium dollar on medical care in the group market and 80 percent in the individual market.

http://www.stark.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2260:press-release-stark-kerry-introduce-bill-to-provide-medicare-beneficiaries-better-value-for-their-medigap-premium-dollars&catid=82:press-releases-2011&Itemid=62

And…

The Hill
July 26, 2011

The insurance industry opposes Kerry and Stark’s bill.

The healthcare law’s MLR requirements didn’t extend to Medigap because it’s a form of supplemental coverage, said Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America’s Health Insurance Plans.

As supplements, Medigap plans collect lower premiums than comprehensive policies, but the administrative costs aren’t necessarily lower. Extending the 80 to 85 percent MLR standards to Medigap would disrupt coverage with which seniors are satisfied, Zirkelbach said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-insurance/173623-aarp-backs-bill-to-extend-new-rules-on-insurers-spending

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The insurers are really in a bind. They can’t reduce their administrative services, yet, because the plans are only supplements, they can’t pay out much more in benefits. Requiring the same medical loss ratios as apply to comprehensive plans would likely destroy the Medigap model, and insurers would have to withdraw these plans.

That would be good since these plans are such a terrible value no matter how you cut it. But we have to keep in mind why these plans exist. Medicare benefits are inadequate, leaving beneficiaries exposed to excessive costs. To eliminate this wasteful private industry of Medigap plans, the appropriate solution would be to reduce or preferably eliminate the out-of-pocket cost sharing of Medicare.

Although that reintroduces the “moral hazard” issue of “free” health care, other nations have shown that comprehensive “free” health care can be provided at much lower costs than ours. If we’re going to talk about morality, then we should ask, what is moral about injecting an expensive, superfluous, worthless industry into our health care?

This legislation is important because it identifies the problem of excessive administrative waste, which adds even more to our very high health care costs. But rather than this bill, we really do need an improved Medicare for all.

http://pnhp.org/blog/2011/07/27/medigap-medical-loss-ratio-improvement-act/

No matter how anyone tries to downplay the MLR change, it's significant.

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Here's why the health care law's MLR rule is significant (Original Post) ProSense Mar 2012 OP
Exactly and I really don't get how anyone thinks this is a reason to bash cbayer Mar 2012 #1
Because ProSense Mar 2012 #2
20,000 pages of expensive regulations. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #3
Well, ProSense Mar 2012 #4
Why? CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #6
You don't ProSense Mar 2012 #8
Medicare is he payer. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #18
A bill that could get through Congress vs. a bill that had not a prayer. cbayer Mar 2012 #5
Change Congress! CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #7
What a ProSense Mar 2012 #9
Might happen once the people get a load of Romney. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #10
Here's ProSense Mar 2012 #12
Just a question. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #19
Well, yeah, no kidding. I'm trying to do that. How about you? cbayer Mar 2012 #11
Isn't it odd ProSense Mar 2012 #13
I think this is too technical and not inflammatory enough. cbayer Mar 2012 #14
Not yet. It has just come to me recently. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #20
Regulation by MLR has been tried already in 15 states eridani Mar 2012 #15
Seems like ProSense Mar 2012 #16
HCR leaves actual enforcement of regulation to the states eridani Mar 2012 #17
No ProSense Mar 2012 #21
Which is meaningless. It is nothing but a list of very naughty boys and girls. eridani Apr 2012 #22
That's ProSense Apr 2012 #23
Enforcement is strictly up to the states eridani Apr 2012 #24

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
1. Exactly and I really don't get how anyone thinks this is a reason to bash
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:11 PM
Mar 2012

the ACA.

So short sighted.....

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Because
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 06:31 PM
Mar 2012

"Exactly and I really don't get how anyone thinks this is a reason to bash"

...the law has to be portrayed as having nothing good in it. It represents the biggest expansion of Medicaid since its inception, covering all low-income individuals for the first time ever and increasing the income limits, but I'm sure there is a way to misrepresent that too.


 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
3. 20,000 pages of expensive regulations.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:12 PM
Mar 2012

Vs. A 50 page Bill expanding medicare to all and eliminating insurance companies.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Well,
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:19 PM
Mar 2012
20,000 pages of expensive regulations.

Vs. A 50 page Bill expanding medicare to all and eliminating insurance companies.

Medigap is a supplemental to Medicare. Medicare would have to be completely retooled to serve the non-senior population.

It would be easier to move to single payer.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. You don't
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:35 PM
Mar 2012

"It pays 80% of part B and 100% of part A. Thats good enough for me. I'll take it."

...seem to understand the point. There are issues.

A Medigap policy is health insurance sold by private insurance companies to fill the "gaps" in Original Medicare Plan coverage. Medigap policies help pay some of the health care costs that the Original Medicare Plan doesn't cover. If you are in the Original Medicare Plan and have a Medigap policy, then Medicare and your Medigap policy will each pay its share of covered health care costs.

https://www.cms.gov/Medigap/

Frankly, "good enough" for you doesn't resolve the problem.

Single payer would.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
18. Medicare is he payer.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:22 PM
Mar 2012

Singular that is. It is a really good plan for health care. I will take it now!

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. A bill that could get through Congress vs. a bill that had not a prayer.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:24 PM
Mar 2012

This door needed to be kicked open and Medicare isn't ready to be the single payer/provider by a long shot. It will be a few years down the road, but it is nowhere near ready. To think otherwise is a pipe dream.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. What a
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:40 PM
Mar 2012

"Change Congress!"

...great and unique concept. I'm in: I'd like to change Congress to 65 progressive Democrats in the Senate and at least 220 in the House.

Problem solved!

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
10. Might happen once the people get a load of Romney.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:53 PM
Mar 2012

If unimpeded by the GOP what do you think the health bill would have been. Or do you think the Big Insurance would get to them too.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
12. Here's
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 07:57 PM
Mar 2012
Might happen once the people get a load of Romney.

If unimpeded by the GOP what do you think the health bill would have been. Or do you think the Big Insurance would get to them too.

...my response: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=499078

In other words, it's moot because there aren't 65 progressive Democrats in the Senate.



 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
20. Not yet. It has just come to me recently.
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:26 PM
Mar 2012

I am going to do the regular thing first and write to my Reps. But i have been talking it up to friends an they all like the idea.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. Seems like
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 09:26 PM
Mar 2012
Regulation by MLR has been tried already in 15 states

It has failed abjectly in every one of them.

...a good reason for the federal government to step in.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
17. HCR leaves actual enforcement of regulation to the states
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:15 PM
Mar 2012

In countries that have universal health care and also private insurance, the government explicitly dictates costs and coverage to insurance companies. HCR does not do this.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
22. Which is meaningless. It is nothing but a list of very naughty boys and girls.
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 02:21 AM
Apr 2012

And if they don't shape up, they'll make the list of very naughty boys and girls next year.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. That's
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 01:50 PM
Apr 2012
Which is meaningless. It is nothing but a list of very naughty boys and girls.

And if they don't shape up, they'll make the list of very naughty boys and girls next year.

...absolute nonsense.


Conclusion

The enactment and enforcement of medical loss ratio requirements, along with other important measures for holding insurers accountable, can help make premiums affordable for consumers in all 50 states.

http://www.familiesusa.org/summit-watch/medical-loss-ratios.pdf


eridani

(51,907 posts)
24. Enforcement is strictly up to the states
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 12:54 AM
Apr 2012

The original House bill had a federal regulatory body, but the Senate eliminated that. If regulation by MLR is so great, why have insurance premiums doubled despite the fact that 15 state have already tried this?

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