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LuckyTheDog

(6,837 posts)
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:19 PM May 2014

‘In God We Trust’ on currency does not violate First Amendment, federal appeals court decides

On Wednesday, the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit concluded that the inclusion of “In God We Trust” on American currency does not violate the Establish Clause and Free Exercise of the First Amendment.

The challenge came from Rosalyn Newdow, a member of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) and coin-collector who “felt obligated to stop purchasing coin sets which exclude her and all nonbelievers.”

“It’s necessary,” said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-President of FFRF, “to remind not just the courts but the public that ‘In God We Trust’ is a Johnny-come-lately motto adopted at the height of the Cold War. It was only officially required on all currency in 1955.”

“It creates the dangerous misperception that our republic is based on a god, when in fact it is based on an entirely godless and secular Constitution,” Gaylor continued. “These symbolic violations from the 1950s have damaged respect for the constitutional principle of separation between religion and government.”

MORE HERE: http://wonkynewsnerd.com/god-trust-currency-violate-first-amendment-federal-appeals-court-decides/

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‘In God We Trust’ on currency does not violate First Amendment, federal appeals court decides (Original Post) LuckyTheDog May 2014 OP
then let's change it to allah leftyohiolib May 2014 #1
If we spoke Arabic we could or Dios if we spoke Spanish. dilby May 2014 #3
many think this is a trivial objection, but how trivial is the argument for keeping god on currency? unblock May 2014 #2
I'm agnostic. But this is not the hill I want to die on. phleshdef May 2014 #5
I wish they would just change the name from God to Mammon. dilby May 2014 #4
clarifying the historical record onenote May 2014 #6
It was not made the official motto until the 1990s. ieoeja May 2014 #11
Nope. It was in 1956 onenote May 2014 #12
I scribble it out when I think of it Politicalboi May 2014 #7
In Bozo We Trust or in God We Trust both have the same meaning and carry the same weight Exposethefrauds May 2014 #8
Replace God with Joe Pescie and that's something I can agree with n/t DotGone May 2014 #9
No. Make it Batman. (nt) LuckyTheDog May 2014 #10

dilby

(2,273 posts)
3. If we spoke Arabic we could or Dios if we spoke Spanish.
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:26 PM
May 2014

Allah is just the Arabic word for God, Arabic Christians use the word all the time.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
2. many think this is a trivial objection, but how trivial is the argument for keeping god on currency?
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:25 PM
May 2014

i mean really, what's the downside of taking it off?

i know, i know believers who want to use the government as an instrument of their private religious beliefs will make the claim that their "rights" are being violated. this is a false claim, of course, but the exercise of naked political clout prevents elected government from fixing this problem.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
5. I'm agnostic. But this is not the hill I want to die on.
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:33 PM
May 2014

Its all about picking our battles and I don't think this is a worthy battle.

However I do have to laugh at the irony of how Christian scripture teaches that money is the root of all evil and the whole story where Jesus took a whip to the money changers. If the Christian god is real, would he really want his name on money based on biblical attitudes towards it?

dilby

(2,273 posts)
4. I wish they would just change the name from God to Mammon.
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:30 PM
May 2014

Because people who think God needs to be on money are just worshiping money.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
6. clarifying the historical record
Thu May 29, 2014, 01:39 PM
May 2014

It is true that In God We Trust was not made the "official" motto of the US until the 1950s, it also is true that the phrase first appeared on US coins in the 1860s. While it was not consistently on all coins from the 1860s on, it appeared on most coinage for decades before Congress required it to be added to paper money.


Here's the 1909 Lincoln cent:


By the way, not many people realize it, but the phrrase "In God We Trust" apparently is derived from a line in the rarely heard last verse of the Star Spangled Banner: "And this be our motto: "In God is our trust.""

My point is merely to correct the suggestions in the statements by the plaintiffs that references to god on US money is not something that started in the 1950s. That doesn't mean it should continue, but it doesn't help get that result to suggest that it is a recent thing when its not.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
11. It was not made the official motto until the 1990s.
Thu May 29, 2014, 03:50 PM
May 2014

1950s is when it appeared on all currency for the first time. The US motto was changed from "E Pluribus Unum" to "In God We Trust" during the Gingrich administration.

Gingrich also eliminated use of the American flag lapel pin for designating military veterans.

For a so called Conservative, Gingrich was pretty good at trampling on traditions.


onenote

(42,714 posts)
12. Nope. It was in 1956
Thu May 29, 2014, 04:02 PM
May 2014

Public Law 84-851, approved on July 30, 1956 and signed by President Eisenhower.

The text of the law reads: Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the national motto of the United States is hereby declared to be ``In God we trust.´´

E Pluribus Unum was never the "official" motto -- that is, Congress never passed a law designating it as such. It was the informal, generally accepted "motto" until the law quoted above was enacted in 1956.

Congress has from time to time "reaffirmed" that In God We Trust is the national motto, but there is no expiration date on the original 1956 enactment.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
8. In Bozo We Trust or in God We Trust both have the same meaning and carry the same weight
Thu May 29, 2014, 02:10 PM
May 2014

It is a meaningless motto if one is atheist however I also keep on mind that atheists are not hung up on invisible deities either.

The God Nonsense has to be on things like money and buildings to placate the frightened believers into thinking if a country has enough things praising an invisible being the invisible being will be nice to them. Poor frightened deluded souls, it is sad to see so many living in fear and having their mind clouded with BS who are destroying this country all because they are scared and frightened to live free

Sadly now we are going to hear non stop nonsense from the frightened and weak minded at how we are now a christian nation


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