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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:18 AM May 2014

Swedes test a future of less work, more play

Gothenburg (Sweden) (AFP) - Robert Nilsson, a 25-year-old mechanic in Sweden's second city Gothenburg, may be the harbinger of a future where people work less and still enjoy a high standard of living.

He gets out of bed at the same time as everyone else, but instead of rushing to work, he takes it easy, goes for a jog, enjoys his breakfast, and doesn't arrive at his Toyota workshop until noon, only to punch out again at 6:00 pm.

"My friends hate me. Most of them think because I work six hours, I shouldn't be paid for eight," Nilsson said, talking while fitting part of a rear window onto a Toyota Prius with swift, expert moves.

Sweden often stuns first-time visitors with its laid-back prosperity, making foreigners wonder how it is possible to have both lots of money and lots of leisure.

http://news.yahoo.com/swedes-test-future-less-more-play-150640783.html

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pampango

(24,692 posts)
1. Sweden uses productivity to lessen hours worked. In the US it leads to unemployment.
Fri May 30, 2014, 11:32 AM
May 2014
But far from looking to increase time spent at work, some in Sweden are out to prove that less is more and that cutting hours can boost productivity.

In an international productivity ranking by the Conference Board, a non-profit business research organisation, Sweden was already placed close to the top, coming 11th out of 61 countries. The United States was third, the Netherlands number five, and Britain number 13, whereas Chile and Mexico were both in the bottom third.

Now, the Social Democrat-led city government in Gothenburg is planning to test the impact of shorter hours on productivity, in an experiment beginning on July 1. One group of government workers in the elderly care sector are to work six hours a day, while another will work the eight they are used to.

After a year, the municipal government will analyse the results and decide whether the six-hour day brings enough savings -- in the form of fewer sick days for instance -- that it warrants becoming permanent and extended to other sectors.

Nice find, SecularMotion. Thanks for posting.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
2. This is what happens when the wealth generated by an economy is distributed fairly...
Fri May 30, 2014, 12:51 PM
May 2014

... among ordinary people and not to just a few uber-wealthy sociopaths.

With a few tweaks to our tax system the U.S.A. could have this too.

Instead we live in an oligarchy, and worse, in a nation with rampant racism. Even working class racists, who are brutalized under the current economic system, do not want certain classes of people to have a fair share of the economy.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. We are actually more materially wealthy than Sweden
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:09 PM
May 2014

It's an illusion that Sweden is as wealthy.

They have a high cost of living society with a strong currency, so their nominal GDP is high. But they can't afford the same goods as us. We are more productive.

GDP USA 54152, Sweden 57297

However, a real comparison is what you can buy with that money. That's called purchasing power parity (PPP)

GDP (PPP) USA 54152 Sweden 40870

As you can see, while translating Swedish production into dollars might make it appear that they're wealthier, we are actually significantly materially wealthier.

And you can see this if you ever visit Europe. Their homes are smaller, older, have fewer features, and they have less stuff. Not working as much comes at a cost.

ps I typed this on a phone, so forgive the errors

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
4. sort of joking, sort of questioning consumerism
Fri May 30, 2014, 01:24 PM
May 2014

we need more phones, better phones. that's what makes life great. I saw it on tv..read it on the internet.
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sarcasm/ something else
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sort of seriously... if one does not work as much as asked, requested/offered..... one might not work at all

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
6. Yeah I wasn't making a Team America post
Fri May 30, 2014, 02:49 PM
May 2014

Just trying to dispel the Team Sweden stuff. Their nice things come at a cost, just like every other country.

The question is, what are we willing to trade? Most Americans are pretty attached to their big houses and gadgets.

 

Leme

(1,092 posts)
8. nnot starting a fight, really
Fri May 30, 2014, 03:30 PM
May 2014

many Americans were attached to the houses they couldn't afford...and lost them
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they were sold a dream they couldn't afford.
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consumerism

The River

(2,615 posts)
5. When it Comes to Being Happy & Contented
Fri May 30, 2014, 02:48 PM
May 2014

the good citizens of America, despite living in McMansions, surrounded by luxury goods,
don't even get into the top 10. ( We're 17th) Look at the countries who do top the list.
The whole of Scandinavia ranks at the top year after year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report

and more recently:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/20/travel/happiest-countries-to-visit/



 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
7. That's a bit unfair
Fri May 30, 2014, 02:56 PM
May 2014

Sweden's only comparable trait to the US is that it's a sovereign state.

But really, when compared to the US, it's more like Massachusetts. The US is a federation of states, so it's more comparable to the EU or eurozone. Sweden is a small country in a wealthy region of the EU. The EU (like the US) also has poor regions, like southern Italy, Greece and southern Spain.

Actually I didn't come up with this thought originally, it was an Austrian who put Scandinavia in perspective for me. It's like someone from the Bay Area criticizing Alabama for not living like Silicon Valley. They have it all figured out, after all.

It would be more accurate to compare happiness levels in Sweden to our happiest states, since it's really just a small, happy state itself in a European community.

The River

(2,615 posts)
10. We are Talking About People
Fri May 30, 2014, 04:01 PM
May 2014

not political subdivisions or what constitutes a country or just a state.

It's the people in these "regions" who say they are happy.
Things like health care, education, GMO free foods and environmental protections
are far more important to them than fancy cars and big houses.
These countries don't spend half their resources on weapons of war, they spend it on the citizens.

The US is a house deliberately divided.
The new owners want it that way.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
12. You've got to be kidding.
Fri May 30, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

Who do you think is happier, a lower income service worker in Sweden or a lower income service worker in Silicon Valley?

For most people Silicon Valley and the Bay Area are not happy places to live. For an income that would seem generous in much of the U.S.A. the housing is either substandard or downright dangerous. If you are not making an excellent income then you'll probably be working two jobs.

And the work environment there for most people, poor to wealthy, is extremely high pressure.

U.S. citizens are supposed to be "competitive" and thrive in a high pressure work environment or they are considered to be weaklings of some sort. That's bullshit. Fuck that kind of "wealth" and "productivity."

It ought to be against the law to work more than thirty six hours a week, or work without health benefits. (A good reason for single payer, right?) For people who simply must work longer, say for limited sorts of catastrophes, there ought to be steeply progressive overtime pay for longer hours. Most salaried and 1099 worker scams ought to be eliminated.

That's how you make people happy. Our high pressure consumer society blows chunks. What we call "productivity" is in fact the destruction of earth's natural environment and the crushing of the human spirit.

The Scandinavian countries are happier because of their higher taxes, stricter labor regulations, and greater social welfare benefits, not in spite of them. The same filthy crowd that is sucking the life out of the U.S.A. is quite busy there now trying to convince workers that the have to do more work for less income and social benefits, all for the greater profit of a few.

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