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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:11 AM Jun 2014

Too easy to forget Rumsfeld's words on the looting of Iraq. "Stuff happens".

He said so many outrageous things during the Iraq invasion. I don't think we should ever forget or let him forget his arrogance.

When we invaded Iraq in 2003 based on lies, there was terrible looting of that country's antiquities. There were so many irreplaceable historical treasures in museums there, and once we attacked with our shock and awe the looting began.

His words during that time were breathtaking. They were evil.

What Rumsfeld said about the looting of Iraq

From CNN 2003:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Declaring that freedom is "untidy," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Friday the looting in Iraq was a result of "pent-up feelings" of oppression and that it would subside as Iraqis adjusted to life without Saddam Hussein.

He also asserted the looting was not as bad as some television and newspaper reports have indicated and said there was no major crisis in Baghdad, the capital city, which lacks a central governing authority. The looting, he suggested, was "part of the price" for what the United States and Britain have called the liberation of Iraq.

"Freedom's untidy, and free people are free to make mistakes and commit crimes and do bad things," Rumsfeld said. "They're also free to live their lives and do wonderful things. And that's what's going to happen here."

Looting, he added, was not uncommon for countries that experience significant social upheaval. "Stuff happens," Rumsfeld said. Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, agreed. "This is a transition period between war and what we hope will be a much more peaceful time," Myers said.


Please note that General Myers agreed.

There is an article by Tom DeFrank at the National Journal today about how Rumsfeld undermined General Shinseki after his appointment by Bill Clinton to Army chief of staff.

How Donald Rumsfeld Complicated Eric Shinseki's Last Administration Exit

But let's not forget that Ric Shinseki is not just a highly decorated commander and wounded warrior, losing part of his foot in Vietnam and clawing his way back onto active duty against the wishes of Army brass. He's a truth-teller of the first rank—and that display of character so enraged the George W. Bush defense team that he encountered some of the shabbiest treatment an officer and a gentleman has ever encountered during my 46 years serving in and hanging around the Pentagon.

It didn't help his case with the Bushies that Bill Clinton had appointed him Army chief of staff. Moreover, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who didn't enjoy being challenged, quickly took a dislike to Shinseki after several policy and strategy disagreements.

Rummy was so intent on punishing Shinseki, in fact, that he directed one of his flack-shop acolytes to leak word of his replacement to the New York Times—15 months before Shinseki's four-year term was up.

This had the instant effect of rendering Shinseki a lame duck within the E-ring, the Pentagon's power corridor. It was cheesy, petty, shameful and totally unwarranted behavior. The Rumsfeld crowd loved themselves for it.


I like the way DeFrank referred to Shinseki's departure from the Veterans' Administration.

In the political game there's often a difference between needing to go and deserving to go. Not for the first time in a storied career, Ric Shinseki deserved better.


I realize that President Obama truly had no choice but to accept his resignation since so many Democrats were publicly calling for him to go.

But something in me wishes that our Democrats as a party had stood up together and made it clear how the Republicans had been saying no to needed resources and funding.
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Too easy to forget Rumsfeld's words on the looting of Iraq. "Stuff happens". (Original Post) madfloridian Jun 2014 OP
DR, a voice from the REAL axis of evil. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #1
Evil is a good choice of words. madfloridian Jun 2014 #2
Yep libodem Jun 2014 #3
Even Bigger? billhicks76 Jun 2014 #4
You are right libodem Jun 2014 #5
And all those who lied have never paid any cost for it. None. Like Cheney... madfloridian Jun 2014 #12
He is the worst libodem Jun 2014 #15
Don't you wonder who has the loot?? malaise Jun 2014 #6
I found this about some of the artifacts returned this May. Hard to find much about it. madfloridian Jun 2014 #8
They were pleased that the 'stuff' was looted since PCIntern Jun 2014 #7
We bombed the hell out of Babylon, one of the 7 Wonders of the World. madfloridian Jun 2014 #11
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #9
Thanks for that. madfloridian Jun 2014 #10
How many trips have these creeps taken over ICC member country airspace? None. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #13
The Cradle of Civilization Octafish Jun 2014 #14
Obligatory kick libodem Jun 2014 #16
.... madfloridian Jun 2014 #17
My pleasure libodem Jun 2014 #18

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
12. And all those who lied have never paid any cost for it. None. Like Cheney...
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 02:34 PM
Jun 2014

who still has the nerve to go on TV and spout his evil nonsense.

malaise

(268,993 posts)
6. Don't you wonder who has the loot??
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:34 AM
Jun 2014

The Bushco war criminals all know that Shinseki was correct and they were wrong. That fact cannot be challenged.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
8. I found this about some of the artifacts returned this May. Hard to find much about it.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 08:02 AM
Jun 2014

From Zawya, which I looked up as a source before I posted (cause I catch hell if I post anything remotely right wing or whatever)....

From the About Us:

Zawya is the preeminent source of Middle East and North Africa business intelligence and is now part of Thomson Reuters, the world's leading source of intelligent information for business and professionals.


FM Ministry delivers 166 Artifacts to Iraq's National Museum

Baghdad (AIN) -Handover ceremony took place on May 21, 2014, many of the stolen and looted artifacts from the National Museum and the country to the administration of the National Museum.

The ceremony took place in the presence of Foreign Minister, Hoshyar Zebari, Minister of Tourism and Antiquities Liwa' Smaisim and Officials in the administration of the museum.

A statement by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs received by All Iraq News Agency cited "Foreign Minister said during his speech that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs began after the fall of the former regime in 2003, to work and move through the Iraqi Diplomatic Missions to regain the Iraqi cultural property and the stolen and looted Iraqi artifacts, which became one of the national tasks of Iraqi diplomacy, where our missions moved and investigated in most States when receives information that there traces of Iraqi artifacts in these countries , gave the power of attorney to lawyers for the implementation of legal prosecution and placing the hand on the detect Iraqi artifacts on auctions , as well as take the legal actions and addressing the international institutions to retrieve smuggled artifacts, demanding the international Police (Interpol) to prosecute those who involved in facilitating and smuggled it out of Iraq and communities with the Iraqi abroad to cooperate in the retrieving of our monuments."

The Minister referred to that as a result of this effort and said "We are today handed over the National Museum and the new collection of artifacts amounted to (166) piece of the clay tablets figures and statues in addition to (110) colored stitch back to the Sumerian era".

"These pieces have been retrieving of the United States, Australia, Germany, Lebanon, Morocco and Kuwait," the statement added.


That is from May 22 2014

PCIntern

(25,544 posts)
7. They were pleased that the 'stuff' was looted since
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 06:49 AM
Jun 2014

it proved that civilization, and thus the Earth, has been around for more than 6000 years. Much of it was from the Dawn of Civilization.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
11. We bombed the hell out of Babylon, one of the 7 Wonders of the World.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jun 2014

How's that for respect of history.

Yes, to those who believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old it might not have seemed outrageous to be looting the cradle of civilization.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
13. How many trips have these creeps taken over ICC member country airspace? None.
Sun Jun 1, 2014, 04:21 PM
Jun 2014

They know they're guilty of war crimes.

Shinseki definitely deserved better.

Here is just a glimpse at the manner in which Republicans " care " about Vets.

Timeline on Veterans’ Health Care – 3 Years of Facts

2003

January 2003 Bush Administration cuts off veterans’ health care for 164,000. In January, the Administration cut off VA health care for 164,000 veterans without service-connected disabilities, who make as little as $25,000 a year. Through 2005 this has denied health care to more than 522,000 veterans.

March 2003 Republicans vote to slash veterans’ health care. House Republicans voted in their budget to cut $14 billion from veterans’ health care. The GOP budget also included the President’s proposal to impose a $250 fee for enrollment in VA health care for low and moderate income veterans, along with a doubling of the drug co-payment for those veterans.

July 2003 Republicans break promise on veterans’ health care. After agreeing to reduce some of their budget cuts, the House GOP reneged on their promise to increase funding for VA health care and passed an appropriations bill providing $1.8 billion less than their FY 2004 Budget.

October 2003 Democrats seek an additional $1.3 billion for veterans health care, but Republicans reject it. The Bush Administration opposed and House Republicans rejected a Democratic motion to include $1.3 billion for veterans’ health care in the Iraqi Supplemental.

2004

February 2, 2004 Veterans Secretary acknowledges inadequacy of FY 2005 Veteran Budget: "In a rare move by a Cabinet member, Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi told a House committee he had sought $1.2 billion more than President Bush was willing to put in his budget. 'I asked OMB for $1.2 billion more than I received,' Principi said...Last year, Principi said the administration did not provide as large of an increase as he requested for the 2004 fiscal year."- Associated Press, 2/4/04


http://www.vfvs.com/Veterans_WeWillNotBeTalkedDown.html

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