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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:07 AM Jun 2014

Corporations Are Not People. Period.

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/06/02-3



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Senate Joint Resolution 19 is a Constitutional Amendment proposal being put forward by Democratic leadership in a federal election year when Democrats desperately want to find a way to woo an American public increasingly disgusted with everyone in Washington D.C. What the amendment would do is give Congress and the States authority to regulate campaign spending. It would overturn the money in politics part of Citizens United, but it doesn’t address corporate constitutional rights at all.

This proposal is a clear indication that our message is reverberating in the halls of power. Thanks to the work of Move to Amend and our allies, members of Congress are starting to take our movement seriously.

Tens of thousands of volunteers across the nation have been building a grassroots movement over the past four years from the bottom up. This movement didn’t come from Washington D.C. or political opportunists paying lip service to get your vote in an election year.

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hack89

(39,171 posts)
1. There is grounds for limited corporate personhood as orginally intended in 1818
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jun 2014

but Citizens United takes it way too far. It is wrecking our democracy. I support any law that will take corporate money out of politics.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
2. Honestly, I don't know how you do it without...
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:22 AM
Jun 2014

...also taking all union money out of it. Unions are not people either. I could be wrong, but I don't see them getting rid of one without getting rid of the other.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
4. Unions ARE people, what are you talking about? And make full disclosure from the millions
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jun 2014

of small donors, not a couple of billionaires....see the difference, sir?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
5. And the same argument is made about companies
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jun 2014

Most companies are owned by millions of small investors (through 401(k)'s, pensions, mutual funds, etc).

Just watch, I don't see one getting cut out without the other.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
7. Not my argument, per se.
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jun 2014

I believe the argument will be made. Nothing is stopping those millions of individuals from donating to a politician or campaign. Why does a union need to make the contributions on their behalf? Likewise, nothing is stopping the millions that own a given company's stock from donating to a politician or campaign. Why does the company need to make the contribution on their behalf?

In regards to the union, I remember a case a few years back about a teacher in a Great Lake state. State law required she be a member of union (which I don't oppose) and pay dues (which I also don't oppose). However, her husband was a right winger running for office and the very union she was required by law to donate to was using her money to oppose her husband. I have a problem with that.

For that reason, I can see people saying NO organization has the right to take money from a large group of people and then use that money for political purposes unless the contribution is strictly voluntary and the sole purpose of the entity of for political purposes.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. Political power comes a lot from money. Corporations representing rich people have a great
Mon Jun 2, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jun 2014

advantage over the middle class, part of being allowed to be corporations is that they are restricted in their money to politics, while the middle class can collectivize and play near equally.

It is all part of a bigger social contract. When unions were stronger the rules were being obeyed, now they are not, and look at the inequality result. Because the contract was broken by the rich.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
10. I support corporate personhood but not unlimited spending.
Tue Jun 3, 2014, 04:15 AM
Jun 2014

If you say corporations should have no rights, tell me what you'll do when President Cruz issues an Executive Order confiscating the assets of a corporation he doesn't like -- such as, for example, Democratic Underground LLC.

If it happened today, the DU admins' lawyer would hustle into court and point to the Fifth Amendment, under which no person may be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. In fact, the case would be clear enough that DU would probably be awarded its attorneys' fees.

If, however, before Cruz acts, the Constitution has been amended to provide that a corporation isn't a person, then that argument isn't available. Attorney General Taitz will point out that DU, a limited liability corporation, isn't a "person" within the meaning of the Due Process Clause.

I know, Cruz will never really be President. But there really are right-wing state governments in places like North Carolina. They're constrained by the Due Process Clause in the Fourteenth Amendment, which is also limited to protecting persons.

A final point is that abolishing corporate personhood wouldn't do anything about the McCutcheon decision, which allowed unlimited spending by individuals.

I approve of the approach that's condemned in the linked article: Amend to allow regulation of campaign spending, by corporations or by humans, while continuing to require the government at all levels to observe basic due process, whether it's dealing with corporations or with humans.

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