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Dianne Feinstein: WH "totally not following the law" in Bergdahl affair. (Original Post) DanM Jun 2014 OP
she's become little more than a washed-up apologist for the security state bigtree Jun 2014 #1
Unless the security state surveills her or her computers . . . then she's "oh noes!" n/t DanM Jun 2014 #8
Actually she's more than that tularetom Jun 2014 #53
Ugh. abelenkpe Jun 2014 #2
She's up in 2018 Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #4
she isn't going anywhere.. frylock Jun 2014 #18
Well, if it's another Dem *worse* than her on criticizing a Dem WH, we might want to keep her. n/t DanM Jun 2014 #10
On the bench: Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #13
Like that list :) abelenkpe Jun 2014 #16
Gavin Newsome would be fine. Laelth Jun 2014 #34
Time to retire Feinstein. Obama was correct to do what he did. Autumn Jun 2014 #3
Don't want her to retire until she gets another AWB in, then she can go. n/t DanM Jun 2014 #11
DiFi wants the everlasting war to go on and on and on and on. deminks Jun 2014 #5
Difi, did you follow the law when you voted for things that got your husband millions? hobbit709 Jun 2014 #6
+30,000,000. closeupready Jun 2014 #14
No Kidding Aerows Jun 2014 #54
Take your precious consultations and stuff them, DiFi BeyondGeography Jun 2014 #7
Swear to god, would LOVE for Pres O to publicly smack her down verbally. Just once, PLEASE! DanM Jun 2014 #12
Somehow this didn't seem to bug her so much back in 2003 n/t n2doc Jun 2014 #9
Easily explained, actually. DanM Jun 2014 #15
Informative post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Jun 2014 #35
Her oversight role has been very profitable for her household. bobduca Jun 2014 #17
And if I recall correctly, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #19
16.5 million. ForgoTheConsequence Jun 2014 #26
Looks like she sold it in 2009 bobduca Jun 2014 #44
Perhaps she should have had congress allow prosecution of the 5 men in question Johonny Jun 2014 #20
KamaAina: DiFi "totally worthless" in Senate. KamaAina Jun 2014 #21
Duly noted is your concern MattBaggins Jun 2014 #22
Isn't this the same law offered as why we can move on Gitmo? Not that I object to the release but TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #23
What's her endgame with this? Jenoch Jun 2014 #24
You can always depend on HER to be on the wrong side of things. Why she calls herself a Dem sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #25
She keeps getting elected Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #45
Will she be totally pissed or pleased ... GeorgeGist Jun 2014 #62
I hope she is. People like her who consistently support the Security State and all the sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #63
DiFi is a waste of space.... mike_c Jun 2014 #27
Obama AMENDED that law with his signing statement AngryAmish Jun 2014 #28
Signing Statement don't mean anything. They're unconstitutional toilet paper. n/t NOVA_Dem Jun 2014 #29
This incident represents something of a catch-22 for the President. Maedhros Jun 2014 #30
The BOGrs always say "He can't close Gitmo without approval from Congress." NOVA_Dem Jun 2014 #39
He can't close Gitmo without doing something with the prisoners, hughee99 Jun 2014 #49
If they don't mean anything, why would President Obama create them? AngryAmish Jun 2014 #31
You don't know much about the Constitution let President Obama tell you about "signing statements:" NOVA_Dem Jun 2014 #38
You should start a new SamKnause Jun 2014 #57
He did not amend the law, that is a power reserved to Congress. tritsofme Jun 2014 #32
I am no fan of DiFi. Laelth Jun 2014 #33
She's defending the congressional oversight role here bobduca Jun 2014 #46
She didn't want this deal to go through, she knows the signing statement TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #52
even if what you said is true DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #58
President Obama should put her in her place! Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #36
You know, best to edit out the "put her in her place" reference, alp227 Jun 2014 #43
I believe you are being too sensitive. The "place" in this case is "NOT EXECUTIVE." WinkyDink Jun 2014 #60
who gives a shit, the republicans haven't been following the law ANYWHERE FOR onecent Jun 2014 #37
Feinstein is a waste. bigwillq Jun 2014 #40
Next that that can happen is 2018. She's probably retiring anyway. alp227 Jun 2014 #41
Ugh bigwillq Jun 2014 #42
To paraphrase The Doctor MurrayDelph Jun 2014 #47
Whine Whine Whine. nm Cha Jun 2014 #48
Okay, wake me up when they decide to sincerely care about the decade of maleficence under W. Rex Jun 2014 #50
"and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States" phleshdef Jun 2014 #51
There is a reasonable argument that the 30-day notification provision is unconstitutional. PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #55
I hope so and I hope it gets smacked down hard. phleshdef Jun 2014 #56
I give you an "A+" in Reading Comprehension! WinkyDink Jun 2014 #61
1% is as 1% does. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #59

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
53. Actually she's more than that
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:48 AM
Jun 2014

She's a filthy rich washed up apologist for the security state.

And she got that way through a lot of government contracts awarded to the firm her husband owns.

No worries though, I'm sure everything was on the up and up.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
2. Ugh.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:49 AM
Jun 2014

I cannot stand her! I will happily vote for any democrat to challenge her. Please tell me she is retiring.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
4. She's up in 2018
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 09:55 AM
Jun 2014

We've got 4 more years of her. She'll be in her 80's by then and I certainly HOPE she'll decide not to run. California's bench is deep with good Democrats just chomping at the bit to replace the old DINO.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
18. she isn't going anywhere..
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jun 2014

she'll hold that seat till she's planted in the ground. not voting for her the last time around was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
10. Well, if it's another Dem *worse* than her on criticizing a Dem WH, we might want to keep her. n/t
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:25 AM
Jun 2014

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
34. Gavin Newsome would be fine.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jun 2014

Personally, I'd prefer Kamala Harris.

Either way, DiFi needs to go soon, and I will not mourn her passing.

-Laelth

deminks

(11,014 posts)
5. DiFi wants the everlasting war to go on and on and on and on.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jun 2014

Bergdahl's release is part of the end of the war. She doesn't like that.

Congress was given notice in 2011 and in 2012. Enough said.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. No Kidding
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jun 2014

I can't say anything further about what I think of her as a person because I would get banned.

BeyondGeography

(39,371 posts)
7. Take your precious consultations and stuff them, DiFi
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:13 AM
Jun 2014

That's enough for you to squeal to the press that the President broke the law? Fuck off. Really.

 

DanM

(341 posts)
15. Easily explained, actually.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:04 AM
Jun 2014

An extension of the AWB, which she sponsored, past it's sunset in 2004 started being lobbied for in 2003. She didn't want to rock anyone's boat if it didn't concern that, at the time.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
19. And if I recall correctly,
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

that is actually IN San Francisco. Seeing as how a Studio apartment is going upwards of $2500 a month in not the best parts of town, I can't even imagine what that monstrosity is worth. The Senate has been bedy bedy good to her. Well, that and war profiteering.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
44. Looks like she sold it in 2009
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:41 PM
Jun 2014

Not sure what other mansion she traded this one for.... the post directly above ^^^ has the original sfgate article when she bought this one.

Johonny

(20,842 posts)
20. Perhaps she should have had congress allow prosecution of the 5 men in question
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:27 PM
Jun 2014

and then they wouldn't be POWs and Obama wouldn't have been able to do what he did... oh wait it is easier to complain than remember they told you 3 years ago and you did nothing for over a decade to elevate the detainees status if they really were "concerned." The war is going to be over Dianne, deal with it.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
23. Isn't this the same law offered as why we can move on Gitmo? Not that I object to the release but
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jun 2014

what is the difference legally?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. You can always depend on HER to be on the wrong side of things. Why she calls herself a Dem
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jun 2014

is beyond me, and why Dems keep electing her is even more of a mystery.

She WAS upset over the NSA spying though. Especially after we learned they were spying on Congress. I wonder why? She and her cohort Rep. Rogers, the one who claimed Snowden 'is a Russian spy', then disappeared when asked for something to prove it, appear constantly together defending the Security State.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
45. She keeps getting elected
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jun 2014

because the California Democratic Party warns away any Democratic challengers. They love her. Any challengers' campaign would get starved out by The Party. She's untouchable.

GeorgeGist

(25,320 posts)
62. Will she be totally pissed or pleased ...
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 08:16 AM
Jun 2014

If she's not on Greenwald's list of Americans that NationalSpyAgency spied upon?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
63. I hope she is. People like her who consistently support the Security State and all the
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:17 PM
Jun 2014

wars etc, think THEY won't be spied on because of how 'loyal' they are. But many of them have found that this is not the case and I imagine they feel totally betrayed considering all they have done for their puppet masters.

If she's not, she'll probably be even more supportive of of the security state.

However she was pretty upset over the revelations that they were spying on Congress. So we'll have to wait and see. All I can say is I hope she has been careful about expressing herself on the phone, in emails etc! Lol!

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
28. Obama AMENDED that law with his signing statement
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jun 2014

It is very clear in the signing statement that he reserved that power for himself.

It is not her place to bellyache when the President clearly has amended the law.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
30. This incident represents something of a catch-22 for the President.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jun 2014

For years, his primary rationale for keeping the prison at Gitmo open was that he was unable to release any prisoners without Congressional approval.

Now, he has proven that rationale to be false - he was able to release 5 of the more troublesome inmates without such approval.

He should now release those 70 prisoners who have been cleared of wrongdoing and bring the rest to a speedy trial. He has just demonstrated by his own action that there is no impediment to doing so, other than his own political will (or lack thereof).

NOVA_Dem

(620 posts)
39. The BOGrs always say "He can't close Gitmo without approval from Congress."
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:05 PM
Jun 2014

He just proved that to be a lie.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
49. He can't close Gitmo without doing something with the prisoners,
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jun 2014

and congress won't let him transfer the prisoners to domestic prisons. A majority of them have been approved for transfer to other countries, provided they can find a country willing to accept them, which has been problematic.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
31. If they don't mean anything, why would President Obama create them?
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jun 2014

He is a constitutional scholar. He more than anyone would know if they were unconstitutional.

Also, if they mean nothing, how was he able to release the prisoners? The military has an oblugation not to follow an illegal order.

SamKnause

(13,102 posts)
57. You should start a new
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:06 AM
Jun 2014

thread with this video.

The hypocrisy is nauseating.

The first U.S. president to issue a signing statement was James Monroe.

Between Monroe's time and the 1980s, only about a dozen signing statements were issued.

Then in 1981 Ronald Reagan ushered in a prolific proclaiming.

It depends on whether you count the number of statements made and the number of legislative statutes challenged,
but it's safe to say that Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush have all challenged
about 100 statutes of laws they have signed.

President Obama has continued this modern tradition by issuing about 20 signing statements.

(Source; Constitution Daily)

If President Obama thinks issuing signing statements is Unconstitutional, why does he continue to use them ???

tritsofme

(17,377 posts)
32. He did not amend the law, that is a power reserved to Congress.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jun 2014

He stated his interpretation of the law as it relates to his constitutional duties.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
33. I am no fan of DiFi.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jun 2014

Anybody have a reasonable explanation for this gratuitous shot at the President?



-Laelth

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
52. She didn't want this deal to go through, she knows the signing statement
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jun 2014

and lack of notice was because Obama and Co. knew she'd leak it AGAIN to stop it. And that gives her butthurt.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
58. even if what you said is true
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 05:01 AM
Jun 2014

Butt hurt is a term that will aloow people to stick theuir head in the sand. I totally agree she would leak.

alp227

(32,020 posts)
43. You know, best to edit out the "put her in her place" reference,
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jun 2014

since that's a misogynistic term. For examples of why it is, see this Media Matters article, or the Heartiste or Mychal Massie websites for primary sources of right wingers using "put a woman in her place" expressions.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
37. who gives a shit, the republicans haven't been following the law ANYWHERE FOR
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jun 2014

OVER 8 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

alp227

(32,020 posts)
41. Next that that can happen is 2018. She's probably retiring anyway.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:14 PM
Jun 2014

Feinstein is 80 now. If she ran again & won in 2018, she'd be serving until age 90 if she survives to then. I wonder who can succeed Feinstein as senator? Gavin Newsom? John Perez? Darrell Steinberg?

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
47. To paraphrase The Doctor
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jun 2014

Don't you think Feinstein looks tired?



Seriously, I think Feinstein is one of the few Democrats to benefit from California's non-partisan primary system. If she had to run against a real Democrat, she would have been ousted two years ago.

I actually told her that several years ago, but I have sinced moved to Oregon (where I get to vote for the wonderful Jeff Merkley this year).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
50. Okay, wake me up when they decide to sincerely care about the decade of maleficence under W.
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jun 2014

Until then, I really won't believe a word that comes out of their mouths when talking about law. Clapper lied, the CIA pried, Congress should have cried...but like a true sellout they just rolled over.

We need less sellouts and more honest people that care about something besides their own best interests. Look what it did to the SCOTUS...turned it into WAL-MARTUS.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
51. "and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States"
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jun 2014
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.


Correct me if I'm wrong but it say anywhere in this Constitutional article that there are exceptions for anything other than Cases of Impeachment? Like does it say "except if Congress attaches some bullshit, unconstitutional drivel to a defense bill that attempts to rob the President of unambiguous executive power granted by the Constitution"? Or does it say "unless it pisses off Barbara Boxer"? Am I reading this correctly?

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
55. There is a reasonable argument that the 30-day notification provision is unconstitutional.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 01:53 AM
Jun 2014

It will probably come before the Supreme Court at some point.


 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
56. I hope so and I hope it gets smacked down hard.
Thu Jun 5, 2014, 02:02 AM
Jun 2014

That would give the President all the cover he needs to shut down Gitmo without having to deal with impeachment threats and other baloney ass bullshit.

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