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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Gun Extremists have a new Target, and it's your local Target store
Moms Demand Action have discovered the following:Gun extremists armed with semiautomatic rifles have walked into Target locations around the country, weapons out and loaded, making sure customers saw their guns.
Its often legal to do this, because many states have weak laws that allow people to openly carry around loaded weapons without any permits, training, or background checks. That means its up to companies themselves to protect their customers when the law wont. Yet according to the Wall Street Journal, Target doesnt have any policies to stop people from carrying weapons in its stores:
Target, which boasts on its website that between 80% and 90% of its customers are women, has no restrictions on customers carrying guns in its stores.
Link to the petition.
Looks like if it's not available in my grocery store, I'll either be buying it online or doing without it because Target stores are no longer safe.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)and see if they have an official "no guns allowed" sticker on their entrance door (that is the law in my state). If they don't, I'll speak to the manager; if they don't comply, I'll write to the CEO.
It would be very easy for the rest of us--the vast majority--to counter these gun bullies. Everyone march into a Target store and demand they prohibit guns within their stores. (In a way, I don't know why we're targeting Target, because this applies to every store; Target at least doesn't sell guns.)
This never would be happening if the original owners, the Dayton family, still owned this chain.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Hehe.
You know, having a bunch of armed idiots prancing around in a target store might make me a little bit uneasy. I'm scared of guns to begin with, even though I live in an area with a whole crap load of hunters and "recreational gun enthusiasts".
Occasionally I see people walking down the road I live on with some kind of rifle strapped on. I tend to ignore it, with the assumption that they're just hunting, or showing off - trying to look big and bad. It's kind of like the little groups that, during junior high, would stand around in a circle, all wearing the same coats, the same hats, the same backpacks... all standing in roughly the same position, making the same sort of gestures with their hands. They're basically acting like sheep - and stupid sheep, at that.
kysrsoze
(6,019 posts)The images of these idiots just scream low IQ, low self-esteem, no future, etc. Why are they being allowed? This isn't concealed-carry. It's open-carry and I'm glad it's illegal in IL.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)slaughtered in defense of their 'hobby' and love affairs with their guns.
randys1
(16,286 posts)These children in Target plyaing with their penis extensions are not alone, there are millions of them... guns are the issue, if they couldnt have guns they could only be there whining like the children they are.
I fully suspect one of these children to shoot me one day because I cant see them and NOT say something...
I, for one, am no longer able to tolerate ANY racism, ANY gun nut, ANY religious moron (not all xtians, just righty)
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and giving responsible gun owners, who would never even think of this idiocy, a bad name.
So deal with it.
clarice
(5,504 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But suffice it to say, this is no longer what comes to mind when one thinks gun owner
It is the idiocy in the OP.
clarice
(5,504 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)To be a problem. For once they found an acorn and quickly dropped it.
But this idiocy is becoming the image of responsible gun owners,
clarice
(5,504 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)Make hugs, not gore!
randys1
(16,286 posts)someone like you or not you if you arent, to have the gun, it means these idiots have to have them too
That is why guns gotta go...I know they arent going, I am just saying that is the solution
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Must be a bruised ego thing.
Don't worry, I don't play the alert game. But I have very little tolerance for that idiocy. Plonk
Welcome to ignore
randys1
(16,286 posts)I went out of my way to say you were NOT one of the nuts
what the fuck is wrong with people
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clarice
(5,504 posts)for people who put ALL gun owners in this category.
frylock
(34,825 posts)so, unless you're admitting to being an abusive, ignorant yahoo, then you've nothing to concern yourself over.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)want by carrying a loaded weapon around like these brain surgeons.
It is still legal to tell a Gay man that you wont rent to him or hire him because he is Gay...
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)semi-automatic carbine.
Give those asshats something to ponder.
people behaving like that are GUN HUMPING COWARDS and SHAME ON THE NRA for coddling their sorry asses
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts).... but, I can assure you, if (when) I do I shall leave pausing only to tell management why I am leaving. Dependent on the circumstances I may be inclined to call the local police
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)until the enact policies against this crap
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)They can clearly track the comparatively large sums of $$$ I spend. I have been transitioning to Costco (because they pay living wages, etc) ... and will leave Target
phantom power
(25,966 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)longer be a customer after a lifetime as a customer.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)didn't scare everybody away from Target, nothing will. I've refused to shop there since the data breach, and if for some reason I had to, I'd be paying cash to send them a message that they can't be trusted ever again.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)Why do you need an assault weapon to go shopping? I would really like to ask one of these people that question? It seems they will tell me that it is so that people will become comfortable seeing people with guns. My next question would be why do I, or anyone else need to become comfortable seeing someone walking through a store with an assault rifle?
Aristus
(66,327 posts)The guns are supposed to make them look tough, and not like the cowards they are. But don't expect rationality from them...
clarice
(5,504 posts)Squeemish, lily livered, pacifist, non gun owners.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)BTW: Not owning a gun doesn't make a person any of your descriptors.
clarice
(5,504 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)clarice
(5,504 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)laugh it up, son. these idiot assholes are going to fuck it up for ALL gun owners.
clarice
(5,504 posts)Aristus
(66,327 posts)I was an M1A1 Abrams tank crewman in the Army, including service in the Gulf in 1991. I fired crew-served weapons like the tank gun, and on-board machine guns. I also qualified as an expert with the M-16 rifle and Beretta 9mm pistol.
I'm not squeamish, just smart. I don't need any of those weapons as a civilian. I sure don't need to go into public places with these weapons in order to intimidate the people around me. I'm not squeamish, just courteous and well-bred.
clarice
(5,504 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If the greatest odds of being shot comes from a firearm in one's own household, then it may simply be prudence rather than squeamishness...
But sure, if it assists you in feeling more validated in own choices, by all means-- begin using that phrase to better rationalize the irrational.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)For the most part, nerdy Libertarians who never served in the military, but played a fuckton of hours worth of Call of Duty.
There are some real odd ducks in that bunch. Not just a hair off bubble, but actually live in a bubble full of fear of everyone else.
I wouldn't trust one of them to save anyone, more likely than not innocent people will die at their hands before some 'bad guy' ever does.
frylock
(34,825 posts)in the toiletries aisle.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)He is also a USMC Korean Conflict vet.
Dad usually asks me to take him to the local gun shows three or four times a year, or one of my sons if I'm out of town. When he sees one of those Black Rifle types walking around dressed in camo with a semi-automatic rifle slung on their backs, he asks them when did they serve.
Stammering ensues.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Like my Dad says, "When those goddamn Chinese bugles blew at 0300 stronger men than me pissed themselves because we knew some of us were going to die."
Locrian
(4,522 posts)I know several of these "he man warrior" types. Big on paint ball and computer games - who would shit themselves if anything actually happened.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Maybe to intimidate people?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)But if I walked into a store and saw someone brandishing an assault weapon, I would turn around and walk out. I don't need anything THAT much. Guns horrify me. I just have a visceral negative reaction to them. Probably because I rarely see them.
riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)Guns bless America!!
wandy
(3,539 posts)Sooner or later a 'good guy' with a gun will see what he mistakenly thinks is a 'bad guy' with a gun and blow that sucker away right there in the lady's langeray department. No matter what the local carry laws are the family of the 'not the bad guy' with a gun will civil sue the living daylights out of the stores owning corporation. No matter the local carry laws the grieved family will come into a whole bunch of money.
When this happens frequently enough. When this begins to hurt the corporate bottom line, then we will start seeing "No Guns Allowed" signs.
I think I liked it better when changing a company's way of thinking had something with little old lades driving with a cup of boiling hot coffee between their legs.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)If I was a young black male, I'd be getting very selective about where I did my shopping right now.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)I don't visit Target often, but if I see this, I'll confront the open carry folks with their stupidity, or call the cops and let them explain to the police why they feel the need to carry semi-auto rifles in the store.
There is no conceivable reason for it, other than to attempt to intimidate people. I'm not easily intimidated.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I wouldn't confront any of these guys. I suspect that the reason they are carrying IS so that someone will confront them ... giving them a reason to exercise their right to stand their ground and play out their murder/killing fantasy in real life.
But if you must confront, I offer this advice: Tell them about their stupidity; keep an eye on the gun-toting confrontee's crotch ... Stop when you notice the erection.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)who is calling them morons. Not a chance. I wouldn't hesitate for a second. I'd stand off about 6 feet and confront them. If any of them started to unsling their weapon, I'd be gone before it could be used.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I've heard too many shooting themselves on the foot and others due to negligence.
Going around with a gun, while shopping which means carrying other things is being negligent. It is like carrying a live blade while running. Problem is, at least with a blade, generally the only one hurt is themselves, guns have too much range, that chances of hitting others is magnified.
It is stupid.
moondust
(19,977 posts)they can't be satisfied with people of like mind knowing they own badass tac'd out carbines. no, they have to show-and-tell to everyone.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This nonsense needs to stop. I wonder if these people doing this has full time jobs or are they paid by groups such as NRA,etc
Michigander_Life
(549 posts)This is ridiculous.
samsingh
(17,595 posts)gun lovers by definition maybe cowards
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)MohRokTah
The more I read about it - the more I know I'm Lucky who live in a country - who you do not have any 2 amendment - and where common sense are prevailing when it come to gun ownership... A country who also have a strict weapons law - who could possible be more strict as time goes - and where not everyone have the right to have any form of gun ownership - you have to be in a shooting club for at least 6 monts to even be considered allowed to own a fire arm - and then you have to go true a background check - to see if you have anything on your record, who could possible stop you for owning a weapon at all.. Or if you have a mental disorder who in itself would be enough to ban you for having a weapon at all....
It is not perfect - but far better than the 2 amendment it looks like....
And even then - ten of thousands of civilians have, and use weapons regularly - doing hunting for elk and its like - but outside of the hunting season you would seldom se any weapon out there at all... Coming from rural areas I know that pretty well - that outside of the times when it was hunting season - weapons was for the most part banned anywhere...
This is not about "the right to bear arms" it is all about treathing others - and to show off who brave they are, bearing weapons inside a departments store - I doubt this would have been posible just 30 year ago - even in US to let pepole going around bearing semi-automatic weapons in stores - becouse they mean they have "the right to bear arms" - I would not be suprised if sometime down the road - it would end up in a horrible massacre where totaly innocent pepole would be murdered by this persons - becouse they are feeling treathen by them - but I doubt it wil be enough - as not even killing sprees on childrens school is enough to make the law stricter - and to safeguard anyone else, who might not have any interest in having armed hooligans roaming around where they want to buy their food
Diclotican
dem in texas
(2,674 posts)Or to any other store that let's the nuts carry guns in around their stores.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)They're doing it as a form of protest. A stupid, counter-productive protest...
thucythucy
(8,048 posts)The fact that there is evidently no law against open carry in their state? The fact that Target doesn't (as yet) have a policy against open carry?
These people are among the best arguments for more limits on gun ownership ever. Morans with a capital Mo. That people so oblivious to basic common sense can acquire this kind of weaponry demonstrates perfectly why virtual unlimited access to firearms is a dumb idea.
Sooner or later somebody is going to get hurt.
Maybe some group of "responsible" gun owners might take it on themselves to intervene before it's too late?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Well...if God existed, anyway...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)thankfully.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I'd run to the stationery section and buy some supplies...make a quick sign, and then join them.
The sign would either say "I'm with stupid" with appropriate arrow, or it would say "If this is the result of 2A, then it's time to abolish 2A. Write your congressman"
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I have no idea if its just some asshole or if it's someone there to rob or shoot up the place. I like life too much to take that chance.
Eventually someone with a CCW is going to shoot one of these guys thinking he is the bad guy.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)Then when you're in a safe place call 911 and report an armed person acting in a menacing manner -- because they effin' are!
Initech
(100,068 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TeamPooka
(24,223 posts)and I plan on excersi9zing my Freedom of Speech rights on their ass.
Letting others know these gun owners are more likely to kill their spouse, stuff like that.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Out of sight, out of mind has made America complacent to gun violence. In California open carry was banned and thanks to the recent 9th circuit court ruling, concealed carry permit applications are off the charts.
In many cases you won't know Billy Bob is a gun nut until he's going around shooting people, Open Carry brings them out of the shadows.
America needs to see this up close and in their faces.
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WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)samsingh
(17,595 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Adults w/ guns pretty much freak me out, but kids with guns is just absolute madness to me.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,834 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)always the same demograph.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Their security breech did cause concern and inconvenience, yet I remained a loyal customer (spending between three and five hundred dollars per month in their stores. This will make me shop elsewhere.
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Use Cartwheel, Target Coupons, Manufacturer Coupons, and bundle them with Target Gift Cards...
If you have a Target Credit Card, you'll get an extra 5% off on top of that. But I don't want their credit card.
CVS is the best though... I just did a $184 order and paid $18. It blew my kid's minds.
http://www.cuckooforcoupondeals.com/
http://mojosavings.com/
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)MattBaggins
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I would go to the break room and refuse to leave until management did something.
Unsafe work environment with reasonable good faith concern of imminent danger
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Notice the smooth flatness of the front of their pants. There really is some truth to those old sayings about gun lovers and their TINY DICKS.
Initech
(100,068 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)However, the people at my local Target which is within easy walking distance are WONDERFUL. Despite whatever corporate Target does. They provide excellent service and they remember my face and name. Much, much better than the Safeway that is a far shorter walking distance and which I avoid due to Safeway's very poor customer service.
On a Friday afternoon just after five there shouldn't be only two lanes open at a grocery store. FFS, people are on their way home for the weekend, buying food and perhaps you should staff accordingly. Not so much at my local Safeway. Lines that extend several carts back into isles are quite common there since there are never enough registers open.
Not so with my local target. If more than a couple of people line up for a register there is ALWAYS a customer service manager calling for backup cashiers. The very quickly open up registers to supply demand. You know, as the "market" dictates.
I won't boycott these individuals at Target who absolutely are great people. I will continue to spend dollars there in order to support their paychecks.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Who wants the distraction of carrying a long arm while shopping.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I consider CC too dangerous to allow.
I am entitled to that opinion and cannot be swayed from it, so don't even bother trying.
ileus
(15,396 posts)that'd suck.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)spanone
(135,829 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)No one wants to see this when they go shopping. Even many folks who are in favor of a fairly expansive second amendment do not want this.
americannightmare
(322 posts)not to go to Target...it's name carries a whole new meaning now.
ananda
(28,858 posts)Gun nuts in this country can be such a scourge.
I expect all retailers will take a stance against open carry
when they lose enough business.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Shouldn't be shopping there anyway. No Democrat should ever walk into either a Wal-Mart or a Target. Easier said than done, I know, but still.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)This is just too beyond my level of comfort.
Fla Dem
(23,656 posts)I'm calling 911. How do I know what their intentions are? Jerks like that are slightly unhinged. I'm ducking down and calling for reinforcements.