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closeupready

(29,503 posts)
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:35 AM Jun 2014

"The war on Amazon is Big Publishing's 1% moment. What about other writers?"

>>As an author of ten novels – legacy-published, self-published, and Amazon-published – I'm bewildered by the anti-Amazon animus among various establishment writers. James Patterson pays for full-page ads in the New York Times and Publishers Weekly, demanding that the US government intervene and do something (it's never clear what) about Amazon. Richard Russo tries to frighten authors over Amazon's "scorched-earth capitalism". Scott Turow conjures images of the "nightmarish" future that Amazon, "the Darth Vader of the literary world", has in store for us all. And "Authors Guild" president Roxana Robinson says Amazon is like "Tony Soprano" and "thuggish".

These are strange things to say about a company that sells more books than anyone. That singlehandedly created a market for digital books, now the greatest source of the legacy publishing industry's profitability (though of course legacy publishers are sharing little of that newfound wealth with their authors). That built the world's first viable mass-market self-publishing platform, a platform that has enabled thousands of new authors to make a living from their writing for the first time in their lives. And that pays self-published authors something like five times as much in digital royalties as legacy publishers do.

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Then there's the human instinct to grapple with impersonal forces (here, digital book distribution) by putting a human face on them (that of Jeff Bezos). I came across this reflex most recently in an article in the current issue of the Economist, which parroted the zombie meme that "Amazon put many bookstores out of business". This isn't so much a simplification as it is an outright distortion. Because what's happening to bookstores – and to the publishing business overall – isn't Amazon; it's technology. Arguing otherwise, to extend my previous metaphor, is like accusing Henry Ford of disrupting the horse-and-buggy industry while ignoring the advent of the internal combustion engine.<<

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/04/war-on-amazon-publishing-writers

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"The war on Amazon is Big Publishing's 1% moment. What about other writers?" (Original Post) closeupready Jun 2014 OP
One slight distortion Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #1
Right, except I think he's saying closeupready Jun 2014 #3
That may be what he **means** but it's not Tansy_Gold Jun 2014 #4
Amusing to see James Patterson condemn Amazon so strongly Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #2
I'm conflicted about Amazon. I stopped shopping at Walmart for political reasons, but I can't seem Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #5
"majority of the self-published 'books' are crap" - closeupready Jun 2014 #6
Amazon allows Kindle books to be returned for a refund within 7 days (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2014 #7
! I did not know that - thank you, Nye. :-) closeupready Jun 2014 #8
Good to know. Thanks for the info. Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #11
"Kindle Matchbook" is the policy, closeupready Jun 2014 #9
I can only think of a few times I've purchased a "legacy published" book that I felt I'd wasted my Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #10
I'm on Amazon's side in this dispute DavidDvorkin Jun 2014 #12

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
1. One slight distortion
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:41 AM
Jun 2014

I doubt that "thousands of new authors" are "making a living" off their self-published books at Amazon.

They are getting the opportunity to publish their work and maybe sell a few copies, but only a few are actually making a living.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
3. Right, except I think he's saying
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

that whatever success they are enjoying from e-publishing their books, it's a greater success than they would have had had they gone the traditional legacy publishing.

Tansy_Gold

(17,857 posts)
4. That may be what he **means** but it's not
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jun 2014

what he's **saying.**

And it's a very important distinction.

There have been some notable successes through digital self-publishing, no doubt about that. But to suggest that "thousands" are making a living is still a distortion. And it tends to foster unrealistic expectations in those who think they're going to make it rich selling their stories.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
5. I'm conflicted about Amazon. I stopped shopping at Walmart for political reasons, but I can't seem
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jun 2014

to break the Amazon habit. And now that there are so few brick and mortar bookstores it becomes even more likely that I'll buy my books from Amazon, further perpetuating that decline of local bookstores.

As for making self-publishing possible, same thing. Conflicted. I'd guess that the majority of the self-published "books" are crap. And you have to wade through them to find the good stuff. And reviews, if there are any, are not reliable.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. "majority of the self-published 'books' are crap" -
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jun 2014

I don't know if a majority are, since I've read so few, but I did purchase one recently that was not a book but a short story, and it was 99 cents, and it wasn't really all that good, but it was only 99 cents, and it WAS short, so I didn't waste much money or time.

It was highly rated, so I agree that on some items, ratings are unreliable.

At the same time, I have SO many books purchased at full price from 'legacy' publishers which were SUCH a waste of both money and time. So on balance, I guess it's all just a crap shoot?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. ! I did not know that - thank you, Nye. :-)
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 02:32 PM
Jun 2014

Here's one you may not have known about (and I didn't until just recently):

They apparently have a new policy that if you bought the 'legacy' edition of a book directly from Amazon, then they will sell you the Kindle version for a steep discount - like 75% off? I'll see if I can find the press release.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
9. "Kindle Matchbook" is the policy,
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

and it's not on every purchase, but on 'thousands' - you have to check their inventory.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
10. I can only think of a few times I've purchased a "legacy published" book that I felt I'd wasted my
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

money or my time. But that's because I'm very careful about the books I buy. Usually they're non-fiction books on subject of great interest to me. I get most of my fiction from the library. If I really love a book, I'll buy it. I belong to Audible.com, and so regularly purchase audiobooks. Occasionally I'll make a poor choice. They recently initiated a "return" policy (I guess it's actually an exchange policy), but all of the books I would have returned were purchased before the cutoff. I'm half tempted to exchange one of the more recent ones I liked, but though my conscience probably wouldn't prevent me doing that in regards the company (Amazon owns audible), I can't call a good book bad just to get another one for free.

My guess that the majority of self-published writings are crap is based on my suspicion that a lot more people think they are good writers than actually are. There is so much poor writing online anyway that I sure don't want to pay for more of it!

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
12. I'm on Amazon's side in this dispute
Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:35 PM
Jun 2014

I have no illusions about Amazon being kindly and warm hearted, but I'm also under no illusions about the big publishing houses. The latter are thugs.

They weren't when they were small, or at least they didn't have as much opportunity to exercise their thuggishness. But now that they're giants, they want control, and they're outraged that another giant is undermining their control. Their pose as champions of literature and literary freedom is laughable.

(Full disclosure: I was published by some major NYC houses in the past, and now I self-publish through Amazon and Smashwords.)

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