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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:29 PM Jun 2014

Larry Summers: Helping Homeowners Would Have Hurt Banks

I have a review of Mian and Sufi’s House of Debt out today, and so does Larry Summers. His review is very strange. It starts off with almost unvarnished praise for the book, saying “it could be the most important book to come out of the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent Great Recession.” He celebrates their data collection, largely agrees with their alternative rendering of the causes of the crisis, and pronounces it “a major contribution” that should give pause to what Mian and Sufi call “the banking view” of the crisis, essentially that the economy hinges on protecting and saving the financial system.

And then, Summers calls them naive and says they didn’t understand the reality of what policymakers faced in 2008 and 2009. Specifically, he says that “We all believed in 2009 what Mian and Sufi have now conclusively demonstrated – that reducing mortgage debt would spur consumer spending,” saying they did not have a narrow banking view of crisis response. Yet almost every one of Summers’ objections - to supporting bankruptcy judges rewriting terms of primary mortgages, to forcing principal write-downs, to buying underwater mortgages through a Home Owners Loan Corporation-type structure - comes with the warning that the preferred policy of mortgage debt relief would hurt the banks.

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How does this not reflect a “banking view” of the world? The objections are that relieving homeowner debt would put losses on banks, chill future lending and hurt banks’ capital positions. This is precisely what Mian and Sufi attack in the book! First off, they argue that it makes no sense to want to spur lending into a deeply indebted economy. They also add that “The idea that financial firms should never take losses is indefensible.” Their entire point is that the losses from the housing bubble collapse were poorly distributed through the system, heaped on those who lost the most in net worth and had the highest marginal propensity to spend. Meanwhile, those most equipped to absorb the losses, those who finance the banking system, were relatively untouched. This is the PRECISE CAUSE, in Mian and Sufi’s view, why the recovery has been so sluggish: the families who couldn’t withstand heavy losses took the brunt of them, and they had to cut back, and demand suffered.

It’s extremely weird that Summers says House of Debt should inform policy responses, and then gives all the reasons why it can’t inform the last policy response. Summers is effectively saying, “We didn’t have a banking view! It’s just that mortgage debt relief would hurt the banks.” In a way, that is nicely revealing. People long suspected that the White House economic team’s policy response foregrounded the idea of protecting the banks at all costs, with homeowners a secondary concern at best. Summers just said it out loud.

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Larry Summers: Helping Homeowners Would Have Hurt Banks (Original Post) phantom power Jun 2014 OP
Every bank was sacred, every bank was great.... PoliticAverse Jun 2014 #1
DUzy phantom power Jun 2014 #2
HAHA! Picture perfect TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #3
Excellent deutsey Jun 2014 #6
LOL !!! - Perfect !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #21
In retrospect, we really should have raised more hell about Geithner and Summers arcane1 Jun 2014 #4
I had wanted to jump aboard the Obama bandwagon in '08 deutsey Jun 2014 #10
Some tried.... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #34
The banks are doing great. Perhaps we could address some "secondary concerns" now?? n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #5
unlikely - it's not so much "close 2nd" as "very distant 2nd" phantom power Jun 2014 #8
More like "on a back burner that isn't even lit". n/t winter is coming Jun 2014 #9
Fuck Larry Summers! TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #7
Absofuckinglutely. progressoid Jun 2014 #12
Now There is a reliable source 4Q2u2 Jun 2014 #11
The banks deserved to be hurt. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #13
From Summers' pov, if they stopped the banks from their plundering, they'd be hurting them. rhett o rick Jun 2014 #14
Cry me a river.. ananda Jun 2014 #15
That man is evil sakabatou Jun 2014 #16
Oh, you Extreme Leftists! Maedhros Jun 2014 #17
I do not agree with the POLICY of the administration to bail out banks and leave people to drown BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #18
Look at Iceland..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #23
YES BrotherIvan Jun 2014 #32
Fuck Larry BlueJac Jun 2014 #19
What Else Would A Poster Child For The 1% Say cantbeserious Jun 2014 #20
circular firing squad! Cabinet of Rivals! racist! best he can! only had 2,200 days! MisterP Jun 2014 #22
And to this day many of those homeowners are still suffering while they cut the food stamps, jwirr Jun 2014 #24
They are doubling down on their defense of protecting the banks passiveporcupine Jun 2014 #25
That disgusting pig... Helen Borg Jun 2014 #26
Help homeowners, hurt banks. Win/Win situation nt Ex Lurker Jun 2014 #27
Helping the victims would have hurt the criminals. SomethingFishy Jun 2014 #28
and that would have been bad cos why, Mr Summers? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2014 #29
Larry Summers admits he was unqualified for the job. nt silvershadow Jun 2014 #30
In my state, upon foreclosure of your first mortgage, you can walk away. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #31
Of course the system is rigged. The big banks get the politicians elected, not us. Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #33
If I were to respond to that statement by Larry Summers Aerows Jun 2014 #35
Summers doesn't expect to get criticized by "insiders". He "advised" Elizabeth Warren not to! cascadiance Jun 2014 #37
Now, why would ANYONE be surprised that a capitalist...... socialist_n_TN Jun 2014 #36

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
10. I had wanted to jump aboard the Obama bandwagon in '08
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:50 PM
Jun 2014

like so many people I knew were (including my step-father, the cynical Navy veteran who never gets enthused about any candidate).

When I heard how these two clowns were part of Obama's inner circle as he was emerging as the front runner, I just couldn't. I wanted to believe it was a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer, but I knew that wasn't the case.

I voted for Obama ('08 and '12), but I did so as I have always voted for president since '84: holding my nose.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
11. Now There is a reliable source
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jun 2014

Larry "let woman bake cakes" Summers. He should not even be allowed to lead dogs to water bowls.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. From Summers' pov, if they stopped the banks from their plundering, they'd be hurting them.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:39 PM
Jun 2014

Mr. Summers is clearly a class-sociopath.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
17. Oh, you Extreme Leftists!
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

Just because big banks caused the crisis, doesn't mean they should shoulder the responsibility for it.

Why can't you all just look forward?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
18. I do not agree with the POLICY of the administration to bail out banks and leave people to drown
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jun 2014

I am spelling it out clearly for all those who cannot handle any negative statement about the administration (that includes more than one person as well as the supposed best and brightest). I do not support the POLICY that made the middle and lower classes take a haircut and leave investors--whose risk when investing is entirely clear--to remain whole. I do not agree with the neoliberal economic POLICY of this administration and as we hear cheers for the stockmarket, main street is still underwater.

In my simple mind, I believe that most of the wealth created in the last fifty years has been largely imaginary, and in fact, the crash was a bursting bubble, the greatest fear being that all these "billionaires" would suddenly just become millionaires and that just couldn't happen.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
23. Look at Iceland.....
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:34 PM
Jun 2014

They let some of the banks go under and jailed bankers for their crimes.

In this country we let the people go under and not only let the criminal bankers go unpunished but give them billions of taxpayer dollars and let them borrow at next to nothing while saddling students with billions in dollars in loans at significantly higher rates.

The system is rigged alright. It is rigged in favor of Wall Street, not Main Street and not Industrial Avenue (where real things are made).

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
32. YES
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jun 2014

There must be a big priority shift soon. It does seem as if something might happen because people quite literally are backed up against the wall.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
24. And to this day many of those homeowners are still suffering while they cut the food stamps,
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jun 2014

unemployment, housing and other programs that help them. These people are no better than the asses Naomi Klein wrote about in "The Shock Doctrine". They are just the American Chicago boys.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
25. They are doubling down on their defense of protecting the banks
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 04:40 PM
Jun 2014

Geithner said basically the same thing on Jon Stewart (last week?). It was infuriating.

I think it would have been great for recovery if consumer spending went up because of mortgage relief, and the banks had to take a hit for their irresponsible behavior. I believe a stronger economy due to consumer spending would have ended up being good for the banks too.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. In my state, upon foreclosure of your first mortgage, you can walk away.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jun 2014

The bank gets your house. You have no remaining debt.

You don't have to file bankruptcy just because you can't pay your first mortgage.

So by not refinancing homes that had only one mortgage when the house was underwater, banks could only hurt themselves.

I would like to see a study that would compare the conduct of the banks in our state with their conduct in states in which a foreclosure on the first mortgage left a deficiency to pay and forced poorer homeowners into bankruptcy.

I would like to know what effect it had on the recovery in the housing sector in our state compared to the recovery in other states.

Because I think that our state and its Depression legislation is on the right track.

In a foreclosure, the bank should get the house and be allowed to keep the income it earned while the homeowner was paying the mortgage, and the homeowner should walk away without debt. That's fair.

The banks would have been even-steven had that been the law.

That law would discourage banks from taking unrealistic risks when loaning money on real estate. That law would provide an incentive to banks to require realistic appraisals.

Would have saved us a lot of trouble.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
33. Of course the system is rigged. The big banks get the politicians elected, not us.
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 05:38 PM
Jun 2014

Until we march, protest, fight, and raise money to elect candidates committed to passing complete campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections this shit will ALWAYS happen to us, not for us!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
35. If I were to respond to that statement by Larry Summers
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jun 2014

I'd get banned.

I'll leave it at elitist assclown.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
37. Summers doesn't expect to get criticized by "insiders". He "advised" Elizabeth Warren not to!
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 11:50 PM
Jun 2014

Read here... Typical CORRUPT MF that we have to deal with blocking any kind of accountability for the banks. Warren was told the game was rigged, and she fortunately is honest enough to also tell us. We need more like her and someone at the top that's not afraid to take these bums on instead of putting them on their staff!

http://daily.represent.us/elizabeth-warren-exposes-larry-summers-game-rigged/

A telling anecdote involves a dinner that Ms. Warren had with Lawrence H. Summers, then the director of the National Economic Council and a top economic adviser to President Obama. The dinner took place in the spring of 2009, after the oversight panel had produced its third report, concluding that American taxpayers were at far greater risk to losses in TARP than the Treasury had let on.

After dinner, “Larry leaned back in his chair and offered me some advice,” Ms. Warren writes. “I had a choice. I could be an insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say whatever they want. But people on the inside don’t listen to them. Insiders, however, get lots of access and a chance to push their ideas. People — powerful people — listen to what they have to say. But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule: They don’t criticize other insiders.

“I had been warned,” Ms. Warren concluded.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
36. Now, why would ANYONE be surprised that a capitalist......
Fri Jun 6, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jun 2014

would defend capitalism over the people? This what the system IS folks. Get used to it or get rid of it. That's the choice.

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