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And then, Summers calls them naive and says they didnt understand the reality of what policymakers faced in 2008 and 2009. Specifically, he says that We all believed in 2009 what Mian and Sufi have now conclusively demonstrated that reducing mortgage debt would spur consumer spending, saying they did not have a narrow banking view of crisis response. Yet almost every one of Summers objections - to supporting bankruptcy judges rewriting terms of primary mortgages, to forcing principal write-downs, to buying underwater mortgages through a Home Owners Loan Corporation-type structure - comes with the warning that the preferred policy of mortgage debt relief would hurt the banks.
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How does this not reflect a banking view of the world? The objections are that relieving homeowner debt would put losses on banks, chill future lending and hurt banks capital positions. This is precisely what Mian and Sufi attack in the book! First off, they argue that it makes no sense to want to spur lending into a deeply indebted economy. They also add that The idea that financial firms should never take losses is indefensible. Their entire point is that the losses from the housing bubble collapse were poorly distributed through the system, heaped on those who lost the most in net worth and had the highest marginal propensity to spend. Meanwhile, those most equipped to absorb the losses, those who finance the banking system, were relatively untouched. This is the PRECISE CAUSE, in Mian and Sufis view, why the recovery has been so sluggish: the families who couldnt withstand heavy losses took the brunt of them, and they had to cut back, and demand suffered.
Its extremely weird that Summers says House of Debt should inform policy responses, and then gives all the reasons why it cant inform the last policy response. Summers is effectively saying, We didnt have a banking view! Its just that mortgage debt relief would hurt the banks. In a way, that is nicely revealing. People long suspected that the White House economic teams policy response foregrounded the idea of protecting the banks at all costs, with homeowners a secondary concern at best. Summers just said it out loud.
http://daviddayen.tumblr.com/post/88000474571/summers-helping-homeowners-would-have-hurt-banks
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)if a bank is wasted, god gets quite irate...
phantom power
(25,966 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)like so many people I knew were (including my step-father, the cynical Navy veteran who never gets enthused about any candidate).
When I heard how these two clowns were part of Obama's inner circle as he was emerging as the front runner, I just couldn't. I wanted to believe it was a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer, but I knew that wasn't the case.
I voted for Obama ('08 and '12), but I did so as I have always voted for president since '84: holding my nose.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)nm
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)phantom power
(25,966 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)progressoid
(49,988 posts)4Q2u2
(1,406 posts)Larry "let woman bake cakes" Summers. He should not even be allowed to lead dogs to water bowls.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Mr. Summers is clearly a class-sociopath.
ananda
(28,858 posts).. you know, as long as the banks are OK.
Sigh.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Just because big banks caused the crisis, doesn't mean they should shoulder the responsibility for it.
Why can't you all just look forward?
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I am spelling it out clearly for all those who cannot handle any negative statement about the administration (that includes more than one person as well as the supposed best and brightest). I do not support the POLICY that made the middle and lower classes take a haircut and leave investors--whose risk when investing is entirely clear--to remain whole. I do not agree with the neoliberal economic POLICY of this administration and as we hear cheers for the stockmarket, main street is still underwater.
In my simple mind, I believe that most of the wealth created in the last fifty years has been largely imaginary, and in fact, the crash was a bursting bubble, the greatest fear being that all these "billionaires" would suddenly just become millionaires and that just couldn't happen.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)They let some of the banks go under and jailed bankers for their crimes.
In this country we let the people go under and not only let the criminal bankers go unpunished but give them billions of taxpayer dollars and let them borrow at next to nothing while saddling students with billions in dollars in loans at significantly higher rates.
The system is rigged alright. It is rigged in favor of Wall Street, not Main Street and not Industrial Avenue (where real things are made).
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)There must be a big priority shift soon. It does seem as if something might happen because people quite literally are backed up against the wall.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
MisterP
(23,730 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)unemployment, housing and other programs that help them. These people are no better than the asses Naomi Klein wrote about in "The Shock Doctrine". They are just the American Chicago boys.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Geithner said basically the same thing on Jon Stewart (last week?). It was infuriating.
I think it would have been great for recovery if consumer spending went up because of mortgage relief, and the banks had to take a hit for their irresponsible behavior. I believe a stronger economy due to consumer spending would have ended up being good for the banks too.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,813 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)Can't have that. We'll just put the criminals in charge.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Please answer ... I will wait ...
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)The bank gets your house. You have no remaining debt.
You don't have to file bankruptcy just because you can't pay your first mortgage.
So by not refinancing homes that had only one mortgage when the house was underwater, banks could only hurt themselves.
I would like to see a study that would compare the conduct of the banks in our state with their conduct in states in which a foreclosure on the first mortgage left a deficiency to pay and forced poorer homeowners into bankruptcy.
I would like to know what effect it had on the recovery in the housing sector in our state compared to the recovery in other states.
Because I think that our state and its Depression legislation is on the right track.
In a foreclosure, the bank should get the house and be allowed to keep the income it earned while the homeowner was paying the mortgage, and the homeowner should walk away without debt. That's fair.
The banks would have been even-steven had that been the law.
That law would discourage banks from taking unrealistic risks when loaning money on real estate. That law would provide an incentive to banks to require realistic appraisals.
Would have saved us a lot of trouble.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Until we march, protest, fight, and raise money to elect candidates committed to passing complete campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections this shit will ALWAYS happen to us, not for us!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'd get banned.
I'll leave it at elitist assclown.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Read here... Typical CORRUPT MF that we have to deal with blocking any kind of accountability for the banks. Warren was told the game was rigged, and she fortunately is honest enough to also tell us. We need more like her and someone at the top that's not afraid to take these bums on instead of putting them on their staff!
http://daily.represent.us/elizabeth-warren-exposes-larry-summers-game-rigged/
After dinner, Larry leaned back in his chair and offered me some advice, Ms. Warren writes. I had a choice. I could be an insider or I could be an outsider. Outsiders can say whatever they want. But people on the inside dont listen to them. Insiders, however, get lots of access and a chance to push their ideas. People powerful people listen to what they have to say. But insiders also understand one unbreakable rule: They dont criticize other insiders.
I had been warned, Ms. Warren concluded.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)would defend capitalism over the people? This what the system IS folks. Get used to it or get rid of it. That's the choice.