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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:52 AM Jun 2014

Federal Judge To Wisconsin: You Know 'Traditional' Marriage Was Polygamy, Right?

Federal Judge To Wisconsin: You Know 'Traditional' Marriage Was Polygamy, Right?

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In defending their same-sex marriage ban, state officials claimed that "virtually all cultures through time" have recognized marriage "as the union of an opposite-sex couple."

But as U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb wrote in her 88-page ruling on Friday, that's simply not true.

"As an initial matter, defendants and amici have overstated their argument. Throughout history, the most 'traditional' form of marriage has not been between one man and one woman, but between one man and multiple women, which presumably is not a tradition that defendants and amici would like to continue," Crabb wrote in her opinion.


History alone wasn't enough to justify a ban on same-sex marriage, Crabb said.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/06/gay-marriage-wisconsin-history_n_5462356.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
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Federal Judge To Wisconsin: You Know 'Traditional' Marriage Was Polygamy, Right? (Original Post) kpete Jun 2014 OP
Judge C is one of the best ever. spooky3 Jun 2014 #1
Excellence In Judging Award Goes To Her Honor, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Jun 2014 #2
And of course the very first couple named in the Bible, SheilaT Jun 2014 #3
Not only that, but Human #5 dickthegrouch Jun 2014 #7
#6, you mean? Human #5 was Seth (nt) Recursion Jun 2014 #8
And depending on which holy fiction book you read, adieu Jun 2014 #10
And their children married each other itsrobert Jun 2014 #21
Uh-oh, a judge who's actually read that book Warpy Jun 2014 #4
It was common for the wealthy. Igel Jun 2014 #6
It was serial polygamy for men Warpy Jun 2014 #9
Great comment. vlakitti Jun 2014 #18
traditional societies also have women with multiple husbands RainDog Jun 2014 #23
Just the right touch... ewagner Jun 2014 #5
betty bowers explains traditional marriage: niyad Jun 2014 #11
Betty nailed it! smallcat88 Jun 2014 #16
Outstanding...INSTANT favorite for eventual seat on the SCOTUS!! (n/t) Moostache Jun 2014 #12
Unfortunately, rather old for appointment to SCOTUS dragonlady Jun 2014 #24
Heeheeheehee. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #13
Cannot contain my emotions. Laughing out loud ffr Jun 2014 #14
K&R! DeSwiss Jun 2014 #15
Where can I get this bumper sticker? AllyCat Jun 2014 #19
A Carter appointment. longship Jun 2014 #17
. libodem Jun 2014 #20
I am so using this Android3.14 Jun 2014 #22

spooky3

(34,444 posts)
1. Judge C is one of the best ever.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jun 2014

Check out her other rulings, eg separation of church and state. She suffers no fools.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
3. And of course the very first couple named in the Bible,
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:03 AM
Jun 2014

Adam and Eve, were never even legally married. They lived in sin all those years. Shame on them.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
10. And depending on which holy fiction book you read,
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:52 AM
Jun 2014

Adam was first married to some woman named Lilith. But she wasn't totally human.

So we got a divorced man, who married a half-human, half-something else, and (I think) he killed her in order to "marry" Eve.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
21. And their children married each other
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jun 2014

Brothers and Sisters. Maybe Adam also took several of his daughters and grand daughters as wives once he got tired of Eve?

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
4. Uh-oh, a judge who's actually read that book
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:22 AM
Jun 2014

that morons love to thump, claiming it's divine approval for all their vicious bigotries.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
6. It was common for the wealthy.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jun 2014

Granted, in any group 80% think they're above average, and most of those think they're in the top 20%.

Then again, all the "channelers" pretty much invariably came out to be kings and queens, not hoi polloi. It's what they know from history. They only read the histories of prominent men.

Given mortality rates, for polygamy to have been the norm you'd have to have 2-3 women for every man.

Then again, if 70% of people think they're in the top 20%, I guess it doesn't surprise me to find that there's somebody who thinks that a nearly 50% to 50% ratio means 30% men and 70% women.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
9. It was serial polygamy for men
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:43 AM
Jun 2014

until the health advances of the last century.

It's very sobering to tour old graveyards in New England. There is usually a big headstone for the man, smaller headstones for the women he married once the last one had died from childbirth, malnutrition, and overwork, and a dozen or more tiny headstones for the children who died, usually before the age of 5. Boys were more fragile than girls, so that 70-30 ratio you cited wasn't unusual.

It's the same for rich men now, only the wives are discarded instead of buried and serial trophy wives don't crank babies out every year, it makes their hips widen and their boobs sag and that means the meal ticket will be on to the next one. Working class men who try serial polygamy need to keep moving to stay one state ahead of being chased down for child support.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
23. traditional societies also have women with multiple husbands
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

usually the multiple husbands or wives are brothers or sisters. this is the most common form of polygamy, because the spouses would all be related to the offspring, even if not the actual parent. The marriages are most often arranged by parents for the children - there was no choice for the spouses on any side.

The reason for these sorts of marriages is to maintain property within a few families.

Marrying for love is a recent phenomena.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
16. Betty nailed it!
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:56 PM
Jun 2014

All of that is in the bible! And among the many, many reasons I stopped calling myself a Christian back in my late teens/early twenties.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
24. Unfortunately, rather old for appointment to SCOTUS
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jun 2014

Judge Crabb was born in 1939 (Wikipedia) so she is at least 74. She went on senior status (partially retired) in 2010. (By the way, this decision is already on her Wikipedia page. They are quick!)

ffr

(22,669 posts)
14. Cannot contain my emotions. Laughing out loud
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jun 2014

It must suck when history doesn't support a narrow minded view.

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