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Veilex

(1,555 posts)
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 11:49 AM Jun 2014

"Soldier Attacking Bowe Bergdahl Left Army with ‘Other Than Honorable’ Discharge"

Joshua Korder, who once served in the same unit as Bowe Bergdahl — and who made the false claim in an interview on CNN that at least six good men had died searching for Bergdahl – is not the squeaky clean all-American soldier that he presented himself to be. It turns out that Korder has some skeletons in his own closet as well.

The army has said that no patrol was sent out for the specific purpose of finding Bergdahl, but that the regular patrols that would have gone out (whether there was a missing man or not) were told to keep an eye out for him as they went about their duties. In other words, those soldiers died on routine patrols in an area that is known to be a hotbed of Taliban activity.


[link:http://atlasleft.org/soldier-attacking-bowe-bergdahl-left-army-with-other-than-honorable-discharge/|
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"Soldier Attacking Bowe Bergdahl Left Army with ‘Other Than Honorable’ Discharge" (Original Post) Veilex Jun 2014 OP
Takes some huevos for him to attack Bergdahl, then, doesn't it? TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #1
THIS: "Do you know how hard it was to get kicked out of the Army until this year?" MADem Jun 2014 #8
That's what sociopaths do, TG.. good theory from what we know.. thanks. nm Cha Jun 2014 #32
Very informative thread here OKNancy Jun 2014 #2
Thanks, OKNancy.. this additional information is stunning! Cha Jun 2014 #33
wonder why Josh not invited riverwalker Jun 2014 #3
Interesting comments at the link as well. Sound like a real creep. n/t FourScore Jun 2014 #4
This is what I suspected.... Swede Atlanta Jun 2014 #5
agree with you, demigoddess Jun 2014 #7
Exactly, that's why they latched onto guys like Cliven Bundy Trekologer Jun 2014 #28
K&R. thank you. Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #6
Glad to be of service :) Veilex Jun 2014 #18
Has CNN made an effort to tell America NOBODY DIED LOOKING FOR BERGDAHL???? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #9
The info is so easy to find, even for Fox Lite: Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #11
Oh, come on. You know CNN. They don't feel it's their JOB to inform the public that Republicans lie. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #16
But passing on their lies to the public to judge(?), they got no problem with that.....how does Fred Sanders Jun 2014 #17
He's spooning with Murdock. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #19
That & fact his unit ran over a girl and hid the fact. ErikJ Jun 2014 #10
Attacking others to deflect from Bergdahl. former9thward Jun 2014 #12
So you attack Bergdahl to deflect from Korder. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #13
Korder is proving to be not very credible, himself. TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #20
Put them under oath. former9thward Jun 2014 #25
I'm fine with that. Put them all under oath as to what happened, Bergdahl TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #26
Sorry but... candyland Sep 2015 #34
Hmm... Veilex Jun 2014 #21
Innocent til proven guilty is a standard we put on the legal system. former9thward Jun 2014 #23
Well then... Veilex Jun 2014 #29
hahah, you are providing evidence from the words of the guy mentioned in the OP JI7 Jun 2014 #22
Yes I am. former9thward Jun 2014 #24
I agree on your basic point underpants Jun 2014 #31
Boom. Kingofalldems Jun 2014 #14
So Korder is a proven liar. That makes him the perfect Fox "expert." nt SunSeeker Jun 2014 #15
Former Army Sergeant Josh Korder on Bergdahl LLD Jun 2014 #27
Josh Korder's credibility is in question, and Sergeant Bergdahl has yet to speak for himself. Veilex Jun 2014 #30

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. Takes some huevos for him to attack Bergdahl, then, doesn't it?
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 12:24 PM
Jun 2014

Do you know how hard it was to get kicked out of the Army until this year? What kind of a fuck-up was he? I think a good hard look at the whole platoon, and command situation, is warranted in addition to hearing out Bergdahl (if he's ever able to tell his story). My guess is there was some kind of Lord of the Flies thing going on, and now they're all ganging up to demonize Bergdahl because he came back alive and might be able to tell what happened.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
8. THIS: "Do you know how hard it was to get kicked out of the Army until this year?"
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:24 PM
Jun 2014

REALLY...!!!

He had to be a total fuck up!!!!

But oooooops...FAUXSNOOZE has already pulled him up on the bandwagon!

They'll have to drag him off it, and shove him in that shed where they've hidden that Bundy assclown!!

Cha

(297,196 posts)
33. Thanks, OKNancy.. this additional information is stunning!
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jun 2014

"There are many reasons that one might receive such a discharge and it’s not the same as a “dishonorable discharge” — which is reserved for the most serious violations of conduct and military law — however, it does indicate that the recipient was no longer welcome in the military and would not be accepted if he or she wished to re-enlist.

OMGoodness!

"The army has said that no patrol was sent out for the specific purpose of finding Bergdahl, but that the regular patrols that would have gone out (whether there was a missing man or not) were told to keep an eye out for him as they went about their duties. In other words, those soldiers died on routine patrols in an area that is known to be a hotbed of Taliban activity."

riverwalker

(8,694 posts)
3. wonder why Josh not invited
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jun 2014

when FOX flew these 6 into NYC for Megyn Kelly's Bashing Bowe exclusive.. Lots of Tweets about their fun reunion partying in the Big Apple, expressing lots of gratitude to FOX. I am sure all will be deleted soon.

Gerald Sutton @pippucola
Evan Buetow @evanscottb
Joshua Cornelison @JM_Cornelison
@CodyFNfootball (the ringleader no real name, media calling him "Cody Full&quot
Matt Vierkant @MattVierkant
Evan Buetow @evanscottb


 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
5. This is what I suspected....
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

the right wing will latch onto anything, regardless of credibility or veracity, to attack any action of this President.

There may well have been issues with Bergdahl but the claims that men died as a direct result of looking for him are false.

Trekologer

(997 posts)
28. Exactly, that's why they latched onto guys like Cliven Bundy
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jun 2014

Anything that they can use to got the President over the head with, they latch onto.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
9. Has CNN made an effort to tell America NOBODY DIED LOOKING FOR BERGDAHL????
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jun 2014

Should we hold our breath for Wolf to say that at EVERY segment?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. But passing on their lies to the public to judge(?), they got no problem with that.....how does
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jun 2014

Jeff Zucker sleep at night?

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
10. That & fact his unit ran over a girl and hid the fact.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jun 2014

Probably afraid Bergdahl will expose them.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
12. Attacking others to deflect from Bergdahl.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jun 2014

This is who you are defending:

Bowe Bergdahl arrived in Afghanistan ready to kill.

Like many soldiers heading into a war zone for the first time, the 22-year-old Army private was eager to get into the fight. As he and his unit prepared for battle in late 2008, he approached his squad leader at their Alaska military base with a memorable question.


"The first thing he said was: 'Can I cut off the face of the first Taliban I kill and wear it like a mask?' " said Josh Korder, an Army soldier who said he couldn't believe what he was hearing.


http://online.wsj.com/articles/bowe-bergdahls-views-shifted-after-first-taste-of-war-1402101487?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
20. Korder is proving to be not very credible, himself.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jun 2014

Bergdahl may have lacked honor, but that doesn't automatically make his platoon-mates winners. They might even be liars.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
26. I'm fine with that. Put them all under oath as to what happened, Bergdahl
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:22 PM
Jun 2014

especially, if he's ever competent to testify.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
21. Hmm...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jun 2014

So you want me to accept the Wall street journal, a publication that is known to function as an add on propaganda outlet right along side its parent company fox news, as a credible source for judging the caliber of character of a US Army Soldier? I just want to make sure I understand that is what you're wanting. Cause if it is, I'm truly astounded. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you've been living under the proverbial rock since 2007. To that end, here is a link to help catch you up on the goings on with WSJ: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/16/995393/-NY-Times-OpEd-WSJ-turned-into-a-propaganda-vehicle-for-its-owner-s-conservative-views

As to the purported quote, let us assume Josh is telling the absolute truth regarding what he claims Bergdahl said. Stating 'Can I cut off the face of the first Taliban I kill and wear it like a mask?' is a far cry from performing the act... people say stupid things all the time and never follow through...we call that barking... a lot of it depends on the culture at the time of occurrence.

I guarantee you, those in the Army have said far worse than anything you've ever heard, unless you yourself have served in the military. I know. I was an infantryman. Soldiers are trained to kill "the enemy", in whatever form that takes... and to be okay with that. This frequently breeds what in civilian culture would be considered a toxic culture. Right or wrong, sometimes you have to learn to think the "enemy" is "evil" in order to be able to kill and be okay with yourself afterwards. Its a terrible thing. But there it is. Its a fact of Army life (or any branch that serves combat roles for that matter).

All that aside, the reality is, Josh Korder's credibility status is in question, and so cannot be considered a reliable source of information. Especially since Sgt. Bergdahl hasn't even had a chance to speak or defend himself. Otherwise this would simply be a case of railroading and demonization. It certainly seems the media (fox noise in particular) is trying to grab for that kneejerk reaction as the one true reality. Last I checked, innocent till proven guilty still means something...even in the UCMJ.

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
23. Innocent til proven guilty is a standard we put on the legal system.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jun 2014

Not a standard we substitute for common sense. We are free to gather the facts as we know them and make opinions based on them. As far as the WSJ goes your criticism is silly. The two best newspapers in the world for world affairs are the WSJ and NYT. I have read both for years.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
29. Well then...
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jun 2014

If you wish substitute what we as a society put into place in favor of the propaganda from the likes of the WSJ... well, then, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

Cheers

JI7

(89,248 posts)
22. hahah, you are providing evidence from the words of the guy mentioned in the OP
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jun 2014

as not being credible

underpants

(182,788 posts)
31. I agree on your basic point
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 08:11 PM
Jun 2014

Attacking to defend dues stink a bit. We do have to realize that that is the nature of the highly managed PR campaign for the purpose of taking wind out of the President"s sails and to basically attack him.

 

Veilex

(1,555 posts)
30. Josh Korder's credibility is in question, and Sergeant Bergdahl has yet to speak for himself.
Sat Jun 7, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jun 2014

This is little more than an attempt to railroad him with hearsay. Josh, on the other hand has a verifiable "other than honorable" discharge and has violated non-disclosure requirements.

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