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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Soldier Attacking Bowe Bergdahl Left Army with ‘Other Than Honorable’ Discharge"
Joshua Korder, who once served in the same unit as Bowe Bergdahl and who made the false claim in an interview on CNN that at least six good men had died searching for Bergdahl is not the squeaky clean all-American soldier that he presented himself to be. It turns out that Korder has some skeletons in his own closet as well.
The army has said that no patrol was sent out for the specific purpose of finding Bergdahl, but that the regular patrols that would have gone out (whether there was a missing man or not) were told to keep an eye out for him as they went about their duties. In other words, those soldiers died on routine patrols in an area that is known to be a hotbed of Taliban activity.
[link:http://atlasleft.org/soldier-attacking-bowe-bergdahl-left-army-with-other-than-honorable-discharge/|
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Do you know how hard it was to get kicked out of the Army until this year? What kind of a fuck-up was he? I think a good hard look at the whole platoon, and command situation, is warranted in addition to hearing out Bergdahl (if he's ever able to tell his story). My guess is there was some kind of Lord of the Flies thing going on, and now they're all ganging up to demonize Bergdahl because he came back alive and might be able to tell what happened.
MADem
(135,425 posts)REALLY...!!!
He had to be a total fuck up!!!!
But oooooops...FAUXSNOOZE has already pulled him up on the bandwagon!
They'll have to drag him off it, and shove him in that shed where they've hidden that Bundy assclown!!
Cha
(297,196 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Everyone who hasn't read it should:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025050773
Cha
(297,196 posts)"There are many reasons that one might receive such a discharge and its not the same as a dishonorable discharge which is reserved for the most serious violations of conduct and military law however, it does indicate that the recipient was no longer welcome in the military and would not be accepted if he or she wished to re-enlist.
OMGoodness!
"The army has said that no patrol was sent out for the specific purpose of finding Bergdahl, but that the regular patrols that would have gone out (whether there was a missing man or not) were told to keep an eye out for him as they went about their duties. In other words, those soldiers died on routine patrols in an area that is known to be a hotbed of Taliban activity."
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)when FOX flew these 6 into NYC for Megyn Kelly's Bashing Bowe exclusive.. Lots of Tweets about their fun reunion partying in the Big Apple, expressing lots of gratitude to FOX. I am sure all will be deleted soon.
Gerald Sutton @pippucola
Evan Buetow @evanscottb
Joshua Cornelison @JM_Cornelison
@CodyFNfootball (the ringleader no real name, media calling him "Cody Full"
Matt Vierkant @MattVierkant
Evan Buetow @evanscottb
FourScore
(9,704 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)the right wing will latch onto anything, regardless of credibility or veracity, to attack any action of this President.
There may well have been issues with Bergdahl but the claims that men died as a direct result of looking for him are false.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)wholeheartedly. Imagine we are going to hear it every day.
Trekologer
(997 posts)Anything that they can use to got the President over the head with, they latch onto.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Veilex
(1,555 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Should we hold our breath for Wolf to say that at EVERY segment?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Jeff Zucker sleep at night?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Probably afraid Bergdahl will expose them.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)This is who you are defending:
Bowe Bergdahl arrived in Afghanistan ready to kill.
Like many soldiers heading into a war zone for the first time, the 22-year-old Army private was eager to get into the fight. As he and his unit prepared for battle in late 2008, he approached his squad leader at their Alaska military base with a memorable question.
"The first thing he said was: 'Can I cut off the face of the first Taliban I kill and wear it like a mask?' " said Josh Korder, an Army soldier who said he couldn't believe what he was hearing.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/bowe-bergdahls-views-shifted-after-first-taste-of-war-1402101487?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Oh the irony.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Bergdahl may have lacked honor, but that doesn't automatically make his platoon-mates winners. They might even be liars.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Despite the Army's attempt to have them sign "non-disclosure" agreements.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)especially, if he's ever competent to testify.
candyland
(13 posts)People still lie under oath. Often.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)So you want me to accept the Wall street journal, a publication that is known to function as an add on propaganda outlet right along side its parent company fox news, as a credible source for judging the caliber of character of a US Army Soldier? I just want to make sure I understand that is what you're wanting. Cause if it is, I'm truly astounded. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you've been living under the proverbial rock since 2007. To that end, here is a link to help catch you up on the goings on with WSJ: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/16/995393/-NY-Times-OpEd-WSJ-turned-into-a-propaganda-vehicle-for-its-owner-s-conservative-views
As to the purported quote, let us assume Josh is telling the absolute truth regarding what he claims Bergdahl said. Stating 'Can I cut off the face of the first Taliban I kill and wear it like a mask?' is a far cry from performing the act... people say stupid things all the time and never follow through...we call that barking... a lot of it depends on the culture at the time of occurrence.
I guarantee you, those in the Army have said far worse than anything you've ever heard, unless you yourself have served in the military. I know. I was an infantryman. Soldiers are trained to kill "the enemy", in whatever form that takes... and to be okay with that. This frequently breeds what in civilian culture would be considered a toxic culture. Right or wrong, sometimes you have to learn to think the "enemy" is "evil" in order to be able to kill and be okay with yourself afterwards. Its a terrible thing. But there it is. Its a fact of Army life (or any branch that serves combat roles for that matter).
All that aside, the reality is, Josh Korder's credibility status is in question, and so cannot be considered a reliable source of information. Especially since Sgt. Bergdahl hasn't even had a chance to speak or defend himself. Otherwise this would simply be a case of railroading and demonization. It certainly seems the media (fox noise in particular) is trying to grab for that kneejerk reaction as the one true reality. Last I checked, innocent till proven guilty still means something...even in the UCMJ.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Not a standard we substitute for common sense. We are free to gather the facts as we know them and make opinions based on them. As far as the WSJ goes your criticism is silly. The two best newspapers in the world for world affairs are the WSJ and NYT. I have read both for years.
Veilex
(1,555 posts)If you wish substitute what we as a society put into place in favor of the propaganda from the likes of the WSJ... well, then, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
Cheers
JI7
(89,248 posts)as not being credible
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Put them both under oath.
underpants
(182,788 posts)Attacking to defend dues stink a bit. We do have to realize that that is the nature of the highly managed PR campaign for the purpose of taking wind out of the President"s sails and to basically attack him.
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)LLD
(136 posts)Veilex
(1,555 posts)This is little more than an attempt to railroad him with hearsay. Josh, on the other hand has a verifiable "other than honorable" discharge and has violated non-disclosure requirements.