TURN UP THE GOD DAMN MUSIC!

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through the gun culture and the idiotic white supremacy fringe.

They hold no element of blame in gun violence?

Isn't that of some concern?

You can prove this?

if there were less guns, certainly less shootings.

So, why don't you gun guys quit buying so many guns and promoting them?

At least I hope you are not so weak willed.

I buy a lot of beer - am I responsible for drunk drivers?

Maybe he is constructing a beer fort. He doesn't have to be drinking it.

You don't even try to hide your contempt and distain for legal gun owners, do you?

Classic Hoyt. Ad Hominem one liners; but no substance.

They don't shoot or kill because they are black. However, they can't open carry because they are black.

Apparently me buying guns causes other people to shoot people - or something like that.

And yes they can open carry - your opinions aside, can you show where black people were not allowed to open carry?

Or other white people, perhaps. That is the point of the OP. White people are less afraid and less at risk of getting killed by a cop who sees them walking around display a gun.

Back to my other point, a person's race has no role, plays no factor, in whether they are more likely to shoot or kill someone. None. Any such suggestion is blatant racism.

You seem so sure of yourself so it must be founded on actual events.

I never gave a reason for what is a known fact. If pressed, I would say that being desperately poor in crowded urban centers would be the reason, not the color of their skin.

If you own guns for hunting, target shooting, and so forth then fine, more power to you.

I assume you don't carry a semi-auto rifle around for the purpose of intimidating people, especially those of color.

there is a lot more going on here. It's not just the African American Community that appears to be their focus. Anyone who does not appear to be Anglo-Saxon or WASP are the true targets. BTW,many poor or homeless white people are also targeted by many hate groups. All the Gun Lobby is doing is selling GUNS,and the turmoil that this creates benefits the 1%ers. The Money Crowd knows damn well their White Aristocracy Class is under attack by we working dummies and anything that slows down their loss of power is excepttable.

I have discouraged those Black folks that I know who live in Texas from participating in this events ... and have discouraged Black folks that believe the teaparty lines, from appearing at teaparty events; it gives the racists cover.

Can you break it down a little more please.

I think I understand but, I want to make sure.

Thanks.

I refuse to be seen as siding with those that I believe/know do not have my interests at heart, even if I agree with them on a particular issue. For example, you will NEVER hear me say anything in support of Rand Paul, even when I agree with him that the U.S. is way to involved in foreign adventurism.

Likewise, I discourage Black folks from participation in teaparty and open carry events, even if they support smaller government and less taxation, or open carry ... the other stuff these groups represent outweigh all of that.

I hope more people read what you wrote and understand what it is being said.

You speak to something bigger than race/sex.

We are a nation divided, not so much by color - or sex - or age - or geography, so much as by a differing of fundamental beliefs.

It is what makes it so complicated. The overlap of issues is not divided by any one determining factor.

Thank you for saying what you said.

Not sure if my reply makes sense and not sure I am verbalizing what is going on with our posts here.

Something is going on though.

Something much bigger.

Why was Clint Eastwood talking to a chair pretending it was Obama at the 2012 Republican National Convention?
Because he is one of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, that's why.
He's from California. And you know what the full name of country music is, don'cha?
Country & Western.

The South ain't just Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, The Carolinas & all that.
Southerners carried that culture out West as they killed off the natives.
That guy on the 20-dollar bill—Andrew Jackson, a big general who participated in the Trail of Tears that moved Natives from their homelands over to Oklahoma.
He's from the Carolinas, a Southern area.
Missourians took over Texas & fought the Alamo battle because the Mexicans wanted to outlaw slavery.
Missouri, a Southern state.
The whole Mexican War was pretty much a land grab by Southern slaveowners presided over by James K. Polk, the 11th President of the United States.
Incidentally James Polk was from North Carolina, a Southern state.
The spoils from the Mexican War resulted in the State of California, the New Mexico Territory (New Mexico & Arizona), & the Utah Territory (Utah, Nevada, & Colorado).
The cowboys of Texas & Oklahoma ran them cattle all the way up to Montana & back.

The South™ is the South, Southwest, & West.
Add Alaska to it too because the gold rushers of California & company ran all the way up to that icebox just as well.
It's no surprise that you see the usual suspects if you trace back the lineage.

I put together a post detailing the whole reason why our political parties formed.
It's called A long story about the Southern Strategy.
Our entire political system is based on the status of Black people & money.

So when you see a Black President, you can't be surprised with the usual suspects showing up in different guises.
Some call themselves Oathkeepers. Some call themselves Libertarians. Some call themselves Evangelical Christians.
Some call themselves Klansmen. Some call themselves Skinheads. Some call themselves Quiverfull.
Different strategies, same goal.
White Dominion. That is exactly what the Confederates themselves said as they broke off from the Union in the 1860s.

The John Birch Society? Started in 1958 in Indianapolis, Indiana by Robert W. Welch Jr.
Robert W. Welch Jr. was born in North Carolina, a Southern state.
Indiana was a stomping ground of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1910s & 1920s.

Robert Welch Jr.'s brother James O. Welch had a candy company which made Junior Mints, Sugar Daddys, Sugar Mamas, Sugar Babies, & Pom Poms.
The National Biscuit Company bought 'em out in 1963 (that's Nabisco by the way) but before then James worked for his brother Robert Jr. in the sweets game.
Robert was a candymaker too. James made his own company in 1925.
Robert later joined his brother James's company after his own company collapsed in the Great Depression (nice return of the favor) & stayed there until 1956 right before he started this John Birch Society.
From what I'm reading it's said that James distanced himself from Robert Jr.'s views.
Maybe that's why he left brother James's company.

Oh & that John Birch guy the society's named after?
A Baptist zealot who grew up in Georgia, a Southern state.
By the way country music star Charlie Daniels (The Devil Went Down to Georgia) had a song called Uneasy Rider in 1973 with a line saying "I'm a faithful follower of Brother John Birch".
The line references an outsider trying to prove that he belongs in a Mississippi redneck bar.
Incidentally Charlie Daniels of North Carolina, a Southern state, is one of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
And you know how Charlie Daniels has spoken on the subject of Obama.

No coincidences here.
This whole country was SPECIFICALLY founded on the hierarchy of "race".
Why are people surprised by the aftereffects?
John Lucas

I never knew that one. Thanks for the education!

Maybe it's a wannabe southern state? It was admitted to the Union as a slave state, but didn't secede. Although, it required considerable pressure from Washington to keep it from joining the Confederacy.

Yeah I see there's a tug-of-war going on with Missouri.
I'll let the voices from the forums & comment boards in these links tell the full story.

From SECRant.com
Missouri is a partially Southern state

From Yahoo! Answers
Is Missouri considered a southern state?

From City-Data.com
Missouri...Southern or Midwestern?

From DixieDining at WordPress.com
Is Missouri a Southern State?

From Southern Food & Beverage at Blogspot.com
Is Missouri a Southern State?

John Lucas

Southern MO is very much the south.
There is a big difference between the Southeast and the Southwest. Southwest being much closer sulturally to OK and TX. STL is much more eastern in architecture and linguistics than KC. KC is a midwestern cow town. The northern portion is plains.

brew to liberalize gun laws in order to preserve "white supremacy." Look at the history of Southern gun laws, nomore: Flashing neon prohibition for generations, followed by non-discriminatory shall-issue?? My, my.

Rather saying that the sort of people described in the OP are driven in large part by racial paranoia and hatred. You would swear some of them are just itching to shoot a person of color - all the more reason, perhaps, for others to promote minority gun ownership as a self-defense measure.

measures. Should those include arms, then I will not stand in their way. I wonder if some of our gun-control advocates are so willing?

Do you think armed gangs of white supremacists are now a threat? If so, do you think those threatened should take serious counter-measures?

And as I just said, anyone who feels they need a gun for self-defense - provided they can pass a basic background check - should be able to have one.

Thanks

I love tracing things back to their origins.
It might not paint the whole picture but it can give you a clue on the motivations behind people's stances.

John Lucas

Though, TBH, having looked into the Mexican-American War & Manifest Destiny myself, I've found some things that may conflict with your view on that particular thing.

The issue was, to be honest, significantly more complicated than many may realize(heck, I'll admit this was true for me, too). There were, believe it or not, a very large number of pro-slavery Southerners(such as John Calhoun, who basically had become a proto-FireEater before secession was even a thing outside S.C.!) who wanted the U.S. to go no further than just Texas(or even the eastern half of Texas), because they feared, greatly, that if enough territory was taken, that it might lead to the end of slavery(and, luckily, that's exactly what happened; the admission of California tipped the balance in that regard!).....and a significant number of Northerners supported it for that very same reason(amongst others, of course).

Also, Antonio de Santa Anna, unlike Abe Lincoln 25 years later(who, unlike Santa Anna, truly *did* abhor slavery), had absolutely *NO* intention of actually ending slavery in Texas(as wonderful as that would have been). Not at all. In fact, had the Texians not been so insistent on independence, it's quite likely that slavery would have survived for at least as long as Santa Anna, or his cronies, remained in power, possibly even a little longer.

There's also the matter of Polk: many give him credit(or deride him, depending on who one asks) for being the primary force behind annexation. In all honesty, however, this is actually not all that accurate. Polk, more than anything, was merely one who went with the flow. Under the particular circumstances that developed, such annexation really could have happened with just about any President, yes, even Henry Clay, who was originally quite hesitant to follow public opinion, the majority in favor of Manifest Destiny at that time.

So yeah, I hate to seem like I'm endlessly nitpicking, so apologies in advance. Just thought I'd offer my two cents, that's all.

Wow that was fucking awesome great research more please.

The NRA echo chamber was silent as a tomb. If Martin had been white, they'd have been shrieking for parents to buy their suburban children guns to protect themselves on Skittles runs.

Would love to see those guys walk into a gun show. That would be a great reality tv bit. Well, until someone gets shot .

If those guys showed up at their little restaurant gimmicks.....they would crap their camouflage pants

and should be part of the debate. Please, let's pursue this.

about those 2 guys outside the polling station on election day....just those 2 guys who were unarmed if I remember correctly scared the bejeezus out of them so much that they cannot forget them!

This book is just now out. Cobb, a former SNCC Field Secretary and Visiting Professor at Brown, recounts the often hidden history of the armed African American defense of civil rights workers in the South, and how terrorists like the KKK were pulled up short by the very real threat of armed resistance. Probably won't fit the narrative around here.

NPR Interviewed him last Friday. Very eye-opening to even this pro-2A Democrat who has taken the time to read some fairly recent history.

If white supremacy is at the core of "gun rights," then it is hugely curious how the South's gun laws have been liberalized!

Just goes to show you how really really nervous they are....and why they manage to fumble and shoot themselves so often!

I was at first skeptical as to how is approach and that of MLK's would augment each other, so I listened. When the "militant" Malcolm spoke about self-defense in the black community, and the need for arms, I shrugged and wondered what all the fuss was about. Made sense to me.

They should obtain a CCL. This open carry stuff - especially with assault rifles - is insane.

in response to the OP, which is specifically about people carrying rifles around to intimidate others. Hence, you seemed to be conflating gun owners and "gun rights" in general with the most extreme "open carry" folks.

My mistake, though. I didn't mean to misrepresent your views.

in these threads.

Some folks should check their logic, however, when it comes to a hated enemy they think is on the brink. If they are that threatening, then it will behoove those threatened to take measures. Some of those threatened may be black.

Keep in mind the contoversy in Texas is over LONG guns; handguns are regulated by the concealed-carry laws. So the 2 guys in the middle might be subject to arrest in Texas.

BTW, I support concealed and not general open-carry.

Descendents of the slave patrols using guns to intimidate and terrorize. See: Django Unchained.

the armory and sacked it.

Slavery was largely about the power of guns to intimidate and terrorize.

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

you should give that little story to those blacks, lest they get the wrong idea about self-defense.

Hopefully it will soon be completely played out.

I doubt many are left who buy that kind of simplistic bullshit.

White Privilege on parade..


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