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Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:40 AM Jun 2014

DU Lawyers - Bergdahl Family Libel Lawsuit?

I mentioned to a friend the other day that Fox News had better pray that at least some of the poop they've flung at Bowe Bergdahl and his family had better stick, or there's going to be a honking big libel lawsuit coming their way.

Is that right? I know that libel is more difficult to pursue in the United States -- as opposed to some other countries. Is Fox leaving themselves open to a flurry of civil litigation?

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DU Lawyers - Bergdahl Family Libel Lawsuit? (Original Post) Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 OP
It is very hard for public figures to win libel cases in the US dsc Jun 2014 #1
Would wash OK in a UK court. dipsydoodle Jun 2014 #3
How would the Bergdahls be public figures? Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #5
I tend to agree that there should be a different standard for dsc Jun 2014 #7
Especially the son... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #8
It's kind of a gray area. There is legal precedent for holding defamation plaintiffs The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #10
There's that, and I notice the directive has gone out for the anti-Bergdahls to stop TwilightGardener Jun 2014 #2
The Bergdahls are public figures The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2014 #4
Tough...but... Jeff In Milwaukee Jun 2014 #6
NYT v Sullivan melm00se Jun 2014 #9

dsc

(52,160 posts)
1. It is very hard for public figures to win libel cases in the US
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:45 AM
Jun 2014

and the Bergdahls are public figures. The standard is that Fox would have had to know the stories were false or show no signs of having tried to find out if they were false.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
5. How would the Bergdahls be public figures?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:51 AM
Jun 2014

Neither Bowe nor his family are elected officials, and unlike the Kardashians, the family don't push themselves into the spotlight other than for the limited purpose of getting their son released. And Bowe himself certainly was in no position to thrust himself into the media.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
7. I tend to agree that there should be a different standard for
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 12:57 PM
Jun 2014

what are accidental public figures but the courts have never upheld that idea.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
8. Especially the son...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 02:13 PM
Jun 2014

It's not like he's taking selfies and sending them out on Twitter from his cave in Pakistan.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
10. It's kind of a gray area. There is legal precedent for holding defamation plaintiffs
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 04:12 PM
Jun 2014

to be involuntary or limited purpose public figures in situations where they became involved in a significant public controversy. This position has been criticized (e.g., http://www.lindquist.com/files/Uploads/Documents/Smith/Dragged%20into%20the%20Vortex.pdf ) but whether the Bergdahls might be regarded as public figures in a defamation case isn't clear. One could argue either way. Defamation cases can be terrible cans of worms; sometimes you come out of them worse than when you went in.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. There's that, and I notice the directive has gone out for the anti-Bergdahls to stop
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

naming the troops who supposedly died. My jaw dropped open when I first saw that the names and images of fallen troops were being used in this manner--it was one of the most evil, cynical things I've ever seen in following politics. The families of those men killed had presumably been healing and getting on with their lives, and then to have their loved ones dragged into a manufactured shitstorm--that's where I lost all respect for Bergdahl's platoon mates. They're getting paid for appearances using those men's names for political shock value. Fuck them.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
4. The Bergdahls are public figures
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:48 AM
Jun 2014

and therefore they'd have to prove actual malice. I know Faux News is actually malicious most of the time, but actual malice in the legal sense (N.Y. Times v. Sullivan) means publishing something knowing it was false or in reckless disregard of the truth. It's a tough standard.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
6. Tough...but...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:55 AM
Jun 2014

They've accused Bergdahl of being a traitor.

U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.


Fox News does not have any "secret" information and we all know that. They're pulling this stuff out of their ass, as usual. It would seem to be that "reckless disregard" would be a slam dunk.

melm00se

(4,991 posts)
9. NYT v Sullivan
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jun 2014

is the primary precedent for libel and freedom of the press.

if the court finds that Bergdahl is public figure, winning a libel case is extremely difficult.

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