Thom Hartmann plays the tape of LBJ talking to Ev Dirksen about this.

when I heard the news earlier today.

What can be done?

That's easy.

Look forward, not backward.

-90& snarky jimmy

if he wasn't already dead.

We need to dig up Nixon's grave and fill his casket with bullshit.

Then we need to dig up Reagan's and fill his with horseshit.

well, it was a tape released by the 'LBJ library recently, but its UTTERLY CHILLING!

If you wanted to prosecute Richard Nixon posthumously for treason, this one tape alone would do it.

It is an utterly remarkable historical artifact that could be considered more historically important than the secret tapes that broke the watergate scandal.

-90% Jimmy

Same people, same playbook.

...Gulf of Tonkin for the War Party.

it's not exactly a surprise.

The papers Nixon sought concerned his effort to sabotage the peace talks. I believed it from the first moment I heard it.

Sam

well documented, in the past 15 years through FOIL, that Nixon was after material related to his role in planning the Bay of Pigs, and related materials.

and saved a million people. He chose to be president instead.

Watergate was only partly about political dirty tricks. Only Carl Bernstein will admit it, Woodward is still protecting a Republican.

...damn war went on another four years and another 20,000 American soldiers, sailors and airmen died...and the tapes/transcripts that Johnson had of Nixon's conversations that confirmed his treason in this peace sabotage were what the Watergate burglars were looking for when they got caught. Damn Republicans.

JFK until 1969 and RFK until 1977.

The world would have been completely different and better.


Johnson and Nixon...

super high-speed trains, most electric power plants would run on hydrogen fusion (and the hydrogen would come from seawater, so no wars for oil), the working poor could live on minimum wage without food stamps, NO REAGAN, air traffic controllers would still have a union, Wal-Mart would be unionized, no S&L bailout, no Wall Street bailout, we would have gotten out of the Vietnam War years earlier--before the massive escalation, so no John McCain or Sarah Palin, electric cars would be everywhere, the remaining oil companies would be little boutique operations, no fracking, we would still believe "no one is above the law," no Nixon, no Bushes, no Cheney, Gorbachev would have ended the Cold War much sooner, peace would guide the planets, and love would steer the stars.

Unfortunately, I had to come back to our sordid little reality. Thanks, anyhoo.

That song "Age of Aquarius" from 1967, the musical Camelot (and we called Kennedy's administration Camelot), and Star Trek--we used to dream of beautiful futures. Now our visions of the future look like Elysium and Ender's Game and The Terminator. The masses will live in sordid slums. The super rich will live lives of luxury, but always afraid of the others who live outside their guarded gates. That is, if the killer robots don't annihilate us.

Sometimes I wonder if a parallel universe exists in which Kennedy ducked that day in Dallas. What would it be like? And who do I see about submitting my transfer request?

Building 3684A, wing E, cell 42, bunk D.

I liked your combination of our dreamy-eyed view of utopia from the 60's and the dystopian view of a scorched earth with walled communities of the blessed few afraid to venture out because of the ruin they have brought to the world. Of course we had our own hells (thanks to many greedy bastards like Nixon) in the 60s and 70s. Kennedy was not totally stinkless but might have had a lot more vision and less paranoia. I had the dis/pleasure of meeting both of these men and can attest to a visceral difference in how they affected people.

Sounds like you've read a bit of Stephenson and Atwood. I had to visit the dystopian wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopian) for reference. It reminded me of so many great works of science fiction that predicted the present and will likely be considered prescient by future generations, if there are any.

Thanks for the thread, phantom power.

many already knew this. I've posted about it in the past