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jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 07:46 PM Jun 2014

I just saw the cover of Time Magazine, now I'm seeing

RED ! It read: WAS HE WORTH IT ?

WTF !

Having served a tour of duty in Vietnam, I can't begin to say how much this kind of "shit stirring" angers me. We don't leave ANYBODY behind. EVER ! Dead or alive, we will get you home. Period. Full stop !
I was a very unhappy camper when I was drafted in 1965, but like many, I saved my protesting until I made it back to the world. And yes, I was pretty vocal about my objection to many things that were going on, and I even went beyond the perimeter many times-- as my DD214 will attest, with the article 15's I received--but if I had been captured whilst pleasuring myself at Mama sons hooch, I've no doubt when I was repatriated-dead or alive-no one would have questioned the value of me being returned home.
I served with many people I'm glad to never see again, but if they had been lost, killed or captured, I along with every other soldier or official would not have rested until we had them back.
Time Magazine and their producers are doing nothing more than playing to the unstable emotions and low information given to those that see only a headline and not take time to research the substance. Shame on them !
They make me sick.
We don't leave our troops behind.

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I just saw the cover of Time Magazine, now I'm seeing (Original Post) jaysunb Jun 2014 OP
America has not just lost any soul we had, but we are a disgrace. randys1 Jun 2014 #1
Bless you, jaysunb. democrank Jun 2014 #2
here... spanone Jun 2014 #3
Thanks....my eyes are still burning. n/t jaysunb Jun 2014 #4
sorry, thought it needs to be exposed. i can't believe it spanone Jun 2014 #6
I appreciate the post... jaysunb Jun 2014 #8
Same here madokie Jun 2014 #26
Send this to them. MuseRider Jun 2014 #5
+ 1 I plan to write them when I calm down. n/t jaysunb Jun 2014 #7
I figured you would :-) MuseRider Jun 2014 #11
What if... RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #9
I tried not to go there, but...there it is. jaysunb Jun 2014 #10
Time is just an echo of the GOP. Downwinder Jun 2014 #12
+1 btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #14
100 % agreed jaysunb! n/t btrflykng9 Jun 2014 #13
it is absolutely disgusting Skittles Jun 2014 #15
AND, yesterday I saw the next Time cover... BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #18
It's Not Even RobinA Jun 2014 #16
That's yer "Liberal Media" for ya. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #17
I did an OP on it June 5th, Jay.. check out all the negative replies.. :( Cha Jun 2014 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #20
That's some liberal press we got here, isn't it? Time has been hitting a lot more flat .... marble falls Jun 2014 #21
There's no end to the people on the conservative Enemies List. DirkGently Jun 2014 #22
Helluva message to the troops pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #23
"Your family will get death threats if a Democrat is President." DirkGently Jun 2014 #30
It's shameful pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #31
Very well said. Thank you for saying it. LoisB Jun 2014 #24
I will never buy or read another TIME magazine. RoverSuswade Jun 2014 #25
Been there did that. nm rhett o rick Jun 2014 #36
RoverSuswade Diclotican Jun 2014 #41
What have we become? ladym55 Jun 2014 #27
Another question is, What are we becoming? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2014 #40
Thank you jaysunb. I couldn't have said it better. Scuba Jun 2014 #28
The answer. Yes. nt WhiteTara Jun 2014 #29
Rumsfeld said... Hubert Flottz Jun 2014 #32
+1 n/t jaysunb Jun 2014 #37
Isn't "Time" usually considered a fairly Liberal magazine? I don't read it so I don't know.nt clarice Jun 2014 #33
Hell, no! TIME has a long history as a conservative rag. pinboy3niner Jun 2014 #34
live and learn....thanks nt clarice Jun 2014 #35
Holy shit! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #38
Here's the full list of Time's "brands." The_Commonist Jun 2014 #39
We left behind many POWs in Vietnam. former9thward Jun 2014 #42
We didn't "leave" them. They chose to stay jaysunb Jun 2014 #43
False but believe what you want. former9thward Jun 2014 #44

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
8. I appreciate the post...
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:21 PM
Jun 2014

I'm not on my own computer and couldn't post the offensive cover. Thanks, it helps give context to my rant.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
26. Same here
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:43 PM
Jun 2014

Yes I'm pissed at the pukes over this. I see it for what it is though and that is anything that President Obama does they're going to be against. F* m, the whole lot of them

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
5. Send this to them.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jun 2014

We should all send something similar to them. They should be ashamed of themselves.

That poor family. I don't care what he did, we sent him there. I have avoided much of this because I am livid at the treatment he and his family are being given in the media. He would never have been there if we had not sent him there.

jaysunb, what you wrote here is powerful. Send it to them and we all should send something. If there is a problem with this guy it does not belong in the public dialog. We have lost our ever loving minds (well that happened a while back) and our hearts are shrinking like the Grinch. What a sick and sorry people we have become that we would accept this kind of treatment of anyone on a "news" magazine cover.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
11. I figured you would :-)
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jun 2014

I will be too, so will my husband. This is simply sick and uncalled for. Do they want this guy hunted down all his life and his family? They are inciting and trying to curry favor with the worst elements of our society.

Worthless. Has been for some time but this is no better than a Hollywood Gossip rag with paparazzi that take personal photos from 3 miles away. Just plain old shit.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
10. I tried not to go there, but...there it is.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jun 2014

And it only adds to the shame we must all feel for the treatment given Sgt.Bergdahl.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
12. Time is just an echo of the GOP.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 08:51 PM
Jun 2014

They were cheerleaders for the war. Rah rah, support our troops. Then they are the first to abandon them.

I am not disappointed, I expected nothing more.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
16. It's Not Even
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 09:28 PM
Jun 2014

about troops, wars, politics, the GOP, liberals, or anything else. Putting a human on the cover and asking if he's worth it??? Bad. Just bad. Unspeakable, really.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
21. That's some liberal press we got here, isn't it? Time has been hitting a lot more flat ....
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jun 2014

notes recently.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
22. There's no end to the people on the conservative Enemies List.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:15 PM
Jun 2014

- Teachers

- Doctors

- Scientists

- Journalists

- Immigrants

- Union workers

- Muslims

- The poor

- Women, gays, minorities

And now ... soldiers? Depending on who brings them back and their father's style of beard, apparently.

The only bright spot is maybe we will finally be collectively disgusted enough to reel in some of this cartoonish hate.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
30. "Your family will get death threats if a Democrat is President."
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jun 2014

... or if your father has a "Taliban beard."

The family, it might be noted, are Republicans.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
31. It's shameful
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jun 2014

One of my men in Vietnam ended up as a POW after he left the platoon. He signed up for Huey door gunner to get out of the field, and then was shot down and captured. We brought him home--along with McCain--and when I saw him at a reunion a couple of years ago he was doing great.

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
25. I will never buy or read another TIME magazine.
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:37 PM
Jun 2014

I'm very ashamed and embarrassed to see this cruel and disgusting cover of an American magazine. Who is in their upper management? Joe the Plumber?

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
41. RoverSuswade
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jun 2014

RoverSuswade

I haven't buying Time magazine for years now - Once in the days it was a decent magazine - specially the international one - but after GWB got into office it kind of disappeared into the black hole irrationality and desperate conservatism was - I ended it, have never been back - even if they is sending my a letter every year, to offer me a tentative magazine deal... Time magazine is just not what it once was - when it had decent journalist, who know their job - and who made Time what it once was...

Diclotican

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
27. What have we become?
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:51 PM
Jun 2014

Here is someone who was a POW for 5 years ... tortured ... and a bunch of smug clowns publish crap like this. I can't believe this is a conversation we are having as a nation. It's embarrassing to me. We send our young people into harm's way for ill-defined wars, and they can't even expect us to be behind them. Really?

I don't care about his father's beard or the young man's viewpoint. We get our POW's home. It should be a no brainer.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
32. Rumsfeld said...
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:39 AM
Jun 2014

Mark Shields: From Rumsfeld, an ugly smear and a giant fib

snip...

Rumsfeld's "wit and charismatic candor" were praised on the liberal New York Times op-ed page, while the editorial page chief of the conservative Washington Times, proclaimed as "most charismatic" of the year the defense secretary "who's the heartthrob of neo-cons and mature women around the country, and Republicans everywhere."

Well, this is a different year, and in his first 2003 press conference, Rumsfeld shamefully smeared American veterans and then deliberately fibbed about how there is absolutely "no need " to consider reinstating the draft because the nation's all-volunteer military was, he assured us, working perfectly.

First, the smear of veterans. Speaking of the 11 million Americans who, during the Vietnam years, answered their country's draft call and the 2 million who served in Vietnam, Rumsfeld alleged that these draftees "added no value, no advantage, really, to the United States armed services over any sustained period of time, because the churning that took place, it took enormous amount of effort in terms of training, and then they were gone."

I'll say "then, they were gone!" Of the 58,152 Americans who gave their lives in Vietnam 20,352 of them were draftees. How dare the secretary of defense say these good and brave Americans "added no value, no advantage, to the United States armed services?" Read more...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/column.shields.opinion.rumsfeld/

With MisLeaders like the neocons who needs enemies. I'm glad an American POW is coming home!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
34. Hell, no! TIME has a long history as a conservative rag.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jun 2014

Newsweek has always been the more liberal of the two, and that's not saying much.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
39. Here's the full list of Time's "brands."
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jun 2014
http://www.timeinc.com/brands/#iconic-brands

Ideally, you should stop reading ANY of these publications, and ideally you should let them know about it.
Brands include:

Time
Sports Illustrated
Entertainment Weekly
Money
Fortune
Food & Wine
Homes & Gardens
InStyle
Southern Living

and many others.

Getting mad at Time magazine for this disgraceful cover, but then keeping your subscription to Sports Illustrated is like being mad at Fox News for keeping Hannity on the air, but then still watching The Simpsons every Sunday night. They want your money, and they'll get it, unless you stop supporting them at the Corporate level. They are counting on us not paying attention.


You can send letters to the Time editors here:

letters@time.com

Here's their Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Inc.

And of course, the parent company is TimeWarner. Its other brands include HBO, TBS and Warner Bros.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner

former9thward

(31,997 posts)
42. We left behind many POWs in Vietnam.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jun 2014

Those who were seen alive and well after capture but never returned. In the Korean war some defected to N. Korea and we did not try and get them back. There were POWs who ended up in Russia during WW II were not returned by Stalin. So this crap that we never leave our troops behind is just that -- crap.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
43. We didn't "leave" them. They chose to stay
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:00 PM
Jun 2014

and some have come back, did their time and were forgotten.

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