Thanks for the thread, Uncle Joe.

the US. If ANYONE knows about the threat to this democracy which intensified after 9/11, Gore certainly does. The theft of the 2000 election was a coup facilitated by the USSC particularly the 'felonious five' and showed us clearly that our democracy was severely threatened when NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT.

Nothing will be done about anything else that matters too, to be honest.

No matter who is elected or not elected. Money runs the show. Big money, that is.

why the SCROTUS decided Citizens United they way the did.

The Internet is proving to be too much of a challenge against the traditional corporate media broadcasting/propaganda model, so the Felonious Five Jr. felt compelled to weigh the scales even more so on to moneys' side.

I also believe the Occupy Movement was just an appetizer.

This is not to say changing our current greed based delusions will be easy, it will be a foreseeable future marathon.

The only thing that really matters, given the sh!t sandwiches we currently have to go through, is the fact that a Dem administration must win national elections, and not a GOP-now-teahadist one...

The end result may not change much, but the suffering will not be as painful... and changes still have a chance to materialize in the future. That is all that matters.

don't, their party will collapse.

The ultimate test for the Democrats aka; party of the people, will be when they have an overwhelming majority of the House, Senate and White House.

There will be no excuses then, no fig leafs, should they fail to live up to their highest calling at that point, the Democratic Party will undergo a major splinter, possibly in to two.

I believe the ultimate result considering current dynamics is a move to the left by both parties, it's either that or the nation is headed for disaster, and I have faith in the American People that it will be the former.

works, to start providing candidates we can VOTE FOR. To simply continue the same old 'well, s/he's better than the other guy' routine, GUARANTEES that things will only get worse.

Knowledge IS power, if people use it. It's way past time to start using it, past time for the people to INFLUENCE the party, speaking of Dems now, and way, way past time for allowing them to continue to say to the voters, 'well, what are you going to do about it, you have nowhere else to go'.

Before the last election, big organizations who have been loyal Dem voters, made a public statement regarding this attitude towards them, taking their votes for granted. They formed a coalition of Unions, of Civil Liberties Orgs, of Advocacy groups, for SS, for the elderly etc and said that 'this is the last election where OUR votes and OUR donations can be taken for granted'.

To continue to do what hasn't worked in the past and expect ANYTHING to change, is a huge mistake.

Now is the time to warn the Dem leadership that when a good Dem is running against a Republican, like Christie, WE EXPECT THEM to support the DEM and NOT to Endorse the Republican. What is that?? That was a complete slap in the face to Dem voters when all those elected Dems ENDORSED CHRISTIE and the party leadership did nothing to help the Dem Candidate. Seems they LIKED Christie despite the fact that he was already in trouble in NJ over Sandy.

And that's not the first time they left good Dems to fend for themselves leaving the field open to 'moderate Republicans'. Then they tell us, as if we are stupid, 'we couldn't have won anyhow'. Really? Well no one ever won anything if they didn't enter the race.

view themselves as being Liberals, but who for any reason, whether it's them being too busy to really take the time to look for the information they would need to make the right decisions about who deserves their votes.

Now is the time. And I fear just posting exclusively on the www on a daily basis is not going to achieve any of that. Go out and educate those who don't have the time to do it themselves.

in trying to do something to push this party away from the Third Way/Right contingency that began to infiltrate it several years ago and help to elect real Democrats who support Democratic issues, not Heritage Foundation Corporate ideology which has so failed the American people. We have a Party for the Corporations, we HAD a party for the people, now we have one and a half parties for the Corporations.

Btw, this comment took less than a minute, for perspective.

than that (because they don't have the time, or are not really interested into "digging" deeper to really understand what's going on) is how many million people?

How many tens of million people?

These Libs will vote for the Dem candidate who is nominated. That's about it.

as they realize how much of an impact it has on their lives. But you're right, there are a whole lot of people who just vote for the party and do nothing to push the party to actually represent THEM.

I hope more "busy" and also the "distracted" Libs will be reached out by most of them, to influence the nomination (first).

I've said it before and I will say it again, I believe the Internet is making that change easier as it gains power and influence.

The Internet is circumventing the corporate media's one way, top down, authoritarian propaganda model and I believe this contributed to Cantor's loss by allowing the people of the two major political parties to form a coalescence on some common issues.

There is less wiggle room for the politicians not adhering to ignored quadrants of their base as the corporate media is becoming less able to cover for them.

lockstep with the status quo proponents and post their concerns where many can read them. There are variations of it, but in essence, rather than address the issues raised, it goes like this 'well, spending all one's time on the Internet isn't getting much done'. It's clever, meant to elicit a defensive response. That of course distracts from the legitimate issues raised, if we allow it.

The Internet has put the fear of God into those who are up to no good. The ruling elite have admitted that they are 'losing the message', as if the news is some kind of message.

The people are more informed because of the Web, which is why it is much more difficult for them to control what people think about the issues, despite having bought the media.

Their Corporate media is among the least trusted source of news so it must be frustrating for them to have spent all that money, time and effort only to see it fail.

Otoh, they should never be underestimated, now that they know WHERE the people are getting their info, they are going after the Web also.

Citizens United, they knew the corporate media was losing its' stranglehold on presenting and disseminating information/propaganda to the American People so they needed to pull out all of the stops in regards to trying to buy elections and tilt the scales even more.

That's also why they're attacking Net Neutrality as a means to neuter the growing power of the Internet, of course cable giant Comcast is leading the way.

I like what John Oliver had to say about protecting Net Neutrality and Comcast, Time Warner et al.

and right now I'm grieving for what should have been. Recommended and thanks for posting this.

and I believe his assessment on Snowden and his actions are accurate.

And thanks for the thread, Uncle Joe!

Sam

because of that, like Wyden eg, I imagine he more than appreciates those with the courage to reveal some of what has been going since they cannot. I have a feeling this is his way of saying that.

Wyden, eg, had been trying to warn the people about what the NSA and their Security Contractors were up to was unable to speak clearly about what HE knew. Snowden's revelations validated his concerns and it must have been a relief for him to have more than just his 'concerns' out there, to have actual proof of what they are doing. But Gore and Wyden and Udall most likely know the consequences they would face if they were to be too outspoken right now. Yet, it seems to me that Gore needed to do this, to support Snowden as far as he could in the current atmosphere, for accepting the responsibility of pulling back the curtain just a little more.

on issues -- for example, Cheney -- perhaps Gore would step up to the plate and add a little rational balance....

Sam

I don't think so. IF he were to reveal what he knows, we start to see accusations of sexual 'deviancy' ala Julian Assange eg. Among other things making it impossible for people to listen to him on the issues and forcing him to constantly defend himself.

They do know how to ruin people's lives if they go too far in expressing their concerns for this country.

There is strength in numbers though and the more Whistle Blowers come forward and there have been quite a few already, and the more public figures like Gore give them support, the more likely we are to get back this democracy.

Sad that we got sold down the river by the SCOTUS. Al Gore, like Jimmy Carter...still making sense and cutting through the bullshit for what it really is. A threat to liberty.

Wiebe and Binney, one of the disclosures they confirm in this interview beginning around the 9:45 mark is that Snowden and Drake revealed that the NSA had prior knowledge of 9/11 but didn't report it or tell anyone.

During Snowden's NBC interview when he stated this, NBC didn't telecast that part of the interview, how can any responsible news organization leave that out?

said "Sometimes to do the right thing you have to break the law". Interview with NBC. Fighting back against unjust laws IS what this country was founded on. Let's hear Faux news run that story!

https://www.resetthenet.org/

Thanks for the thread, Uncle Joe.

The PEOPLE still hold the ultimate power, if they will stand together in solidarity against oppression.