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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:08 AM Jun 2014

Fine I'll say it - in 2016 I'm voting with the Supreme Court in mind

There are 2 progressive judges that are getting up there in age (Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer). There are also 2 republican judges around the same age (Scalia and Kennedy).

If the next president is a republican that means he/she could be appointing 4 new judges AND possibly taking the Supreme Court from a 5-4 to 7-2.

If the next president is a democrat we could take it from 5-4 to 6-3 in our favor.

At least at 5-4 from time to time we get swing votes from Roberts and Kennedy (both republicans).

At 7-2 the swing votes won't matter. GOP will go crazy overturning everything.

And what's worse, those 4 replacements will be between the ages of 45-50 which means they will be on the bench for about 2-3 decades.

That is not an acceptable risk to me. Not one bit.

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Fine I'll say it - in 2016 I'm voting with the Supreme Court in mind (Original Post) LynneSin Jun 2014 OP
+1 n/t FreeState Jun 2014 #1
OMG 1000words Jun 2014 #2
Yep jberryhill Jun 2014 #3
+1 jaysunb Jun 2014 #4
Well it certainly won't be the only reason I vote the way I do... but it will be one. Agschmid Jun 2014 #5
Right there with you, my friend n/t Aerows Jun 2014 #6
I will be voting with the Department of Education in mind. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #7
Won't mean anything if the GOP gets to pick the Supreme Court justice LynneSin Jun 2014 #8
Won't mean anything anyway if we have democrats in office that don't care if education gets gutted. liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #9
Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2014 #11
Then we have the primary to fight our cause LynneSin Jun 2014 #13
Read my post below re: Clinton-Sachs and the Supreme Court. woo me with science Jun 2014 #16
I trust them more than I do the GOP LynneSin Jun 2014 #22
Mass surveillance, indefinite detention, "Kill Lists." This is the stuff of fascism. woo me with science Jun 2014 #23
I still trust them more than the GOP LynneSin Jun 2014 #26
Most not driven by ideological purity understand that LordGlenconner Jun 2014 #39
This is the problem. We're not okay with a GOP bomb exploding but we are okay with liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #34
See that is where you are wrong LynneSin Jun 2014 #35
That's fine. If a left of center candidate wins the primary that is fantastic. If one doesn't I am liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #36
So you'd be ok with more years of someon like George Bush (or worse) and taking away Civil Rights LynneSin Jun 2014 #37
I could just as easily reverse that argument and ask you if you are okay with the Department liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #38
You think education will get better with a republican in office? LynneSin Jun 2014 #40
It is just as bad if not worse now than under George W. Bush. I'm not sure why you think if would liberal_at_heart Jun 2014 #42
Which is exactly why we need a liberal and not a Third Way Republican in Democrat suit woo me with science Jun 2014 #10
I'm not willing to see a full Koch Kourt installed. I'm with you, LynneSin! freshwest Jun 2014 #12
Meh, I'll take my chances. Hillary is a no-go. Period. End of story. if our party chooses silvershadow Jun 2014 #14
Women really do not get the option of taking a chance with our supreme CRT. seabeyond Jun 2014 #19
AMEN - and you can add in minorities and LGBTers too LynneSin Jun 2014 #25
Actually, I totally agree. I was just in a mood. I'm trying to tone down the silvershadow Jun 2014 #43
I am not ready to endorse Hillary for one reason - I don't know who else is running LynneSin Jun 2014 #44
Good names, all. If Warren really is out, then Bernie is my choice so far. silvershadow Jun 2014 #46
I adore Bernie Sanders but without a doubt his age is not something that appeals to me LynneSin Jun 2014 #48
ok DonCoquixote Jun 2014 #20
It's not the party that will suffer. It's the poor, the powerless, the women, and so on. riqster Jun 2014 #30
Very important. That is why I want Elizabeth Warren. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #15
I would love Elizabeth Warren smallcat88 Jun 2014 #17
Totally agree. As we have seen, it matters. A lot. Nt seabeyond Jun 2014 #18
How about finding your own words to say something? cali Jun 2014 #21
Anyone too stupid to realize the truth in what you say deserves what they get.... Rowdyboy Jun 2014 #24
Stop making sense! WhiteTara Jun 2014 #27
I am hopeful that duers will support the nominee. hrmjustin Jun 2014 #28
The people who say "let the Repubs win to teach the country a lesson" must have no memory. riqster Jun 2014 #29
Tax cuts to the rich, 2 wars we still can't end.... LynneSin Jun 2014 #31
Yep. riqster Jun 2014 #32
We need Dems in congress to support it too IronLionZion Jun 2014 #33
Thank you Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2014 #41
Amen! LiberalEsto Jun 2014 #45
Doesn't matter if we don't change the Senate fillibuster rules Sirveri Jun 2014 #47

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
8. Won't mean anything if the GOP gets to pick the Supreme Court justice
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jun 2014

Our already ailing public schools will be destroyed. The fight for keeping religion out of public schools will totally be lost. We'll be teaching our children that Climate Change is a hoax and the world is 6000 years old.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
9. Won't mean anything anyway if we have democrats in office that don't care if education gets gutted.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jun 2014

There is more to protecting education than keeping prayer and creationism out.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. Read my post below re: Clinton-Sachs and the Supreme Court.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jun 2014

I don't trust any corporatist with Supreme Court appointments. The ones we have right now are actively assaulting our Constitution.

Interesting to hear you agree that promoting someone OTHER than Clinton-Sachs is "our cause." I expect, then, to hear you promoting real liberals during primary season and doing everything you possibly can with your rhetoric to expose corporatists like Hillary and make sure they don't make it anywhere near the general. That's certainly a better strategy than *starting out* with threats to try to justify voting for the corporatist, no?

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
22. I trust them more than I do the GOP
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:15 AM
Jun 2014

Kiss Marriage equality goodbye if the GOP gets control
Same thing with women's rights too

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
23. Mass surveillance, indefinite detention, "Kill Lists." This is the stuff of fascism.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:21 AM
Jun 2014

Assaults on journalism, propaganda machines, assaults on protesters, abuse of the Espionage Act. Handing over what should be powers of the people to multinational corporations.

I will not vote for candidates who will actively assault Americans and the Constitution, the democratic foundations of this nation.

The Third Way are liars, and they are malignant and antidemocratic in their policies. They have targeted the single party that used to stand between Americans and corporate predation that will murder this nation. "Lesser of two evils" is a tactic, a deliberate, serially abused tactic to ensure that this corporate subversion of our country can continue.

I can never, ever lend moral or practical support to that.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
34. This is the problem. We're not okay with a GOP bomb exploding but we are okay with
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:52 PM
Jun 2014

slowly boiling in the dinner pot. Not this voter.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
35. See that is where you are wrong
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jun 2014

We have primaries and you can be rest assured I will fight hard to get the best candidate on the ticket.

But I am not someone who will 'take her ball and go home' just because my candidate loses.

Your post assumes we are skipping the primary process. Primaries is where we will have fun here at DU!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
36. That's fine. If a left of center candidate wins the primary that is fantastic. If one doesn't I am
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jun 2014

not voting for a democrat who favors corporations over working people and their families.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
37. So you'd be ok with more years of someon like George Bush (or worse) and taking away Civil Rights
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jun 2014

from Women and LGBT - good for you.

Because that is what will happen.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
38. I could just as easily reverse that argument and ask you if you are okay with the Department
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jun 2014

of Education taking my son's education away from him. I will fight for LGBT rights and women's rights but education is just as important to me as LGBT and women's rights. I will fight for my son's education. I will not fight for one and not the other.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
40. You think education will get better with a republican in office?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jun 2014


I know education is important but it will never get fixed with a member of the GOP but a good chance of getting better with more democrats in general.

I hope you and I fight like crazy during the primaries even if we agree on candidates - I love primary season and a good spirited debate on the issues. Right now there aren't any official candidates so I'm really talking abstract here. And when I mean fight I mean debate the issues like crazy - it's a positive thing!

In the end what really sucks is the two party system and really giving no chance for 3rd party candidates. If we changed the election process and do run offs for when no candidate makes 50% of the vote we could see more 3rd party candidates get elected.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
42. It is just as bad if not worse now than under George W. Bush. I'm not sure why you think if would
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jun 2014

stand a better chance of getting better with more democrats in general. Some say well if republicans have their way they will put prayer and creationism in school. Well I say there is more to protecting education than making sure prayer and creationism do not get put in the curriculum. My special education student is expected to keep up with common core with his general education peers. I will not stand for that.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. Which is exactly why we need a liberal and not a Third Way Republican in Democrat suit
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:44 AM
Jun 2014

as our candidate in 2016.

I do not trust any politicians whose records lead me to believe that they will defend mass surveillance, "Kill Lists," indefinite detention, assaults on journalism, persecution of whistleblowers, and "free trade agreements" that cede national sovereignty to profit-seeking corporations. I do not trust politicians aligned with those who repeatedly select corporatists like Penny Pritzker or Monsanto shills for high-level appointments, and whose policies repeatedly assault our Bill of Rights.

There is zero good reason to believe that Third Way Democrats can ultimately be trusted on Supreme Court appointments. Not with their record.

We need representatives who actually represent, who are less hell-bent on sucking up corporate money for a run, and more hell-bent on representing the people and reversing the massive, corporate-purchased damage that has been done to this country.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
14. Meh, I'll take my chances. Hillary is a no-go. Period. End of story. if our party chooses
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:07 AM
Jun 2014

to learn its' lessons the hard way, so be it.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
25. AMEN - and you can add in minorities and LGBTers too
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:23 AM
Jun 2014

I look forward to a lively primary where we hopefully will have some great choices to pick from but in the end I'm on team Democrat in the general election.

The Dems would have to run the corpse of Adolph Hitler to lose my vote

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
43. Actually, I totally agree. I was just in a mood. I'm trying to tone down the
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jun 2014

Hillary lobby. It's like playing whack-a-mole these days. Their foregone conclusions quite irritate my nerves. Other than that, I'm on board, being that there are really only ever two choices.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
44. I am not ready to endorse Hillary for one reason - I don't know who else is running
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jun 2014

but I like your whack-a-mole comparison.

I think Obama was my 4th choice in 2008.

In 2008 my obvious first choice was Joe Biden. When he dropped I was also keen on John Edwards and Bill Richardson. After it was down to Obama vs. Clinton I really didn't care who got the nomination because I would support either one equally.

I'll do the same thing in 2016 but first I need to see some nominees.

Looking at this list who pops to the forefront to me is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Publicly_expressed_interest

As always I'm a Biden fan. I'm from Delaware and we 1st staters can't help but support Biden even if he is older than Clinton.
I am also a big fan of Martin O'Malley. The only one I would dread the most is Joe Manchin because he really is the most conservative from the lot and clearly not a supporter of clean environment. I highly doubt he'd get the nominations.

I'm also a fan of John Hickenlooper. He fought for stronger gun controls after the big mass shooting in Aurora Colorado. He'd be a safe bet to legalize marijuana and he's good on civil rights. Not sure what is not to like baout Hickenlooper.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
46. Good names, all. If Warren really is out, then Bernie is my choice so far.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jun 2014

I like Martin O'Malley as well, also kinda fond of Brian Schweitzer.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
48. I adore Bernie Sanders but without a doubt his age is not something that appeals to me
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:11 AM
Jun 2014

I know people give heck to Hillary but she's 6 years younger than Sanders. It's also one of the reason's that I'm finding it hard to support Biden - he's only a year younger than Sanders and Biden has had health issues in the past.

I know some folks here are screaming 'ageist' but at some point it does start factoring into who you vote. I don't want another Ronald Reagan (well do any of us) who in his 2nd term pretty much was the figurehead while others actually ran the country.

Sanders may be sharp as a tack right now but he will be 75 if he were to win and take office which means he would be 79 at the start of a 2nd term. And let's face it - the older we get the more health issues we have.

I will say this, whomever wins I would love to see Bernie Sanders play a bigger role in this country. He's an awesome senator and I wish there were more like him in DC.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
20. ok
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:32 AM
Jun 2014

I just hope the people the gop prez will kill will not charge us for the tuition, like the iraqis might someday.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
30. It's not the party that will suffer. It's the poor, the powerless, the women, and so on.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:45 AM
Jun 2014

See any DLC types at the food pantries after we tried your approach in 2000? Of course not. But we saw a lot of ordinary Americans start suffering.

smallcat88

(426 posts)
17. I would love Elizabeth Warren
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:37 AM
Jun 2014

but she's made it clear she's not running. And everyone except Hillary Clinton looks pretty bad in the polls. Not happy about corporatists in either party but would you vote against Clinton and risk getting another Republican in the White House?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
21. How about finding your own words to say something?
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 05:37 AM
Jun 2014

Honestly, the plethora of "Fine, I'll say it" posts that have sprung up all over DU in the wake of the original post, display a lack of imagination.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
24. Anyone too stupid to realize the truth in what you say deserves what they get....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:22 AM
Jun 2014

The Supreme Court is the single most important issue and it is colossal

WhiteTara

(29,713 posts)
27. Stop making sense!
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:28 AM
Jun 2014

No really. I agree with you and that is why I too will vote for any democratic nominee.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
29. The people who say "let the Repubs win to teach the country a lesson" must have no memory.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jun 2014

That is what they said in 2000. And who got punished? The innocents, the poor, the minorities, the women, and the powerless.

Fuck ideological correctness, too many people need the Repubs to lose.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
31. Tax cuts to the rich, 2 wars we still can't end....
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 10:44 AM
Jun 2014

No Child Left Behind.

I know the Democrats are far from perfect but even on the Dems absolutely worst day ever they are still a far cry better than the republicans

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
33. We need Dems in congress to support it too
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jun 2014

and replacing a supreme court judge may happen sooner than 2016 too. And there are tons of federal judgeships and other political appointments and policy makers that would benefit from having a Dem administration.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
47. Doesn't matter if we don't change the Senate fillibuster rules
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 05:54 AM
Jun 2014

The chances of us getting 61 consistent Senate votes in 2016 are slim, the Republicans would rather see nothing happen than see any Justices appointed to the Courts by a liberal. They'll just wait until they retake the Presidency, even if that takes 8 years of a 5 person SCOTUS to do it. Then the Dems will 'compromise' for the good of the country.

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